(04-15-2013 10:20 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 02:10 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 11:21 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 09:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 09:10 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Hopw pissed off would CofC be? They leave the SoCon after being Davidson's little brother for over ten years, made a move to get out, and now will get lead-frogged by them.

CofC should have known something was up when Davidson wouldn't follow them. The CAA is in a bit of a bind.

So Davidson and Siena head to the A10.

St Louis and Dayton go to BE in 2014.

A10 then responds with Detroit and Cleveland St, adding two more media markets and helping Duquesne and St Bonnie's geography?

Horizon could be forced to take IPFW and IUPUI, after also getting Oakland.

Could the SoCon now be bold and take Belmont? (as well as Mercer, ETSU, and Kennesaw for football?)

VMI was the 4th name that SoCon had been talking to.

Didn't VMI leave the SoCon previously? Why was that?

I heard that VMI wanted to move only football to the Big South because they couldn't compete, but were told all or nothing and had to move all. With the big publics leaving the SoCon, VMI would be a good fit back in the SoCon.

The move to the Big South was very unpopular among VMI alums. VMI had been in the SoCon since the early years of the conference and had many traditional rivals especially the Citadel. Their current coach, Sparky Woods previously was the head coach at App State before he moved to South Carolina.

(04-15-2013 11:11 AM)hapapp Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 10:20 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 02:10 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 11:21 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 09:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  CofC should have known something was up when Davidson wouldn't follow them. The CAA is in a bit of a bind.

So Davidson and Siena head to the A10.

St Louis and Dayton go to BE in 2014.

A10 then responds with Detroit and Cleveland St, adding two more media markets and helping Duquesne and St Bonnie's geography?

Horizon could be forced to take IPFW and IUPUI, after also getting Oakland.

Could the SoCon now be bold and take Belmont? (as well as Mercer, ETSU, and Kennesaw for football?)

VMI was the 4th name that SoCon had been talking to.

Didn't VMI leave the SoCon previously? Why was that?

I heard that VMI wanted to move only football to the Big South because they couldn't compete, but were told all or nothing and had to move all. With the big publics leaving the SoCon, VMI would be a good fit back in the SoCon.

The move to the Big South was very unpopular among VMI alums. VMI had been in the SoCon since the early years of the conference and had many traditional rivals especially the Citadel. Their current coach, Sparky Woods previously was the head coach at App State before he moved to South Carolina.

this is why I suspect they willl return this round of expansion

Time for the AAC to pick off a few basketball teams. VCU, Wichita State, and maybe 1 more.

(04-15-2013 12:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Time for the AAC to pick off a few basketball teams. VCU, Wichita State, and maybe 1 more.

I'm willing to consider that, but offhand I am just not convinced that AAC can find 3 teams that are both (1.) attainable, and (2.) worth attaining. I am most willing to consider VCU, but after that the whole idea (expanding with Olympic-sports-only programs) seems very sketchy.

(04-15-2013 12:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Time for the AAC to pick off a few basketball teams. VCU, Wichita State, and maybe 1 more.

why?

add schools with existing FBS football programs-no basketball only schools

(04-15-2013 04:21 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 12:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Time for the AAC to pick off a few basketball teams. VCU, Wichita State, and maybe 1 more.

why?

add schools with existing FBS football programs-no basketball only schools

No they should, then they can be raided by the big east.

(04-15-2013 05:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 04:21 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 12:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Time for the AAC to pick off a few basketball teams. VCU, Wichita State, and maybe 1 more.

why?

add schools with existing FBS football programs-no basketball only schools

No they should, then they can be raided by the big east.

LOL, we're waiting to see who y'all take, then see what's left.

(04-15-2013 05:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 04:21 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 12:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Time for the AAC to pick off a few basketball teams. VCU, Wichita State, and maybe 1 more.

why?

add schools with existing FBS football programs-no basketball only schools

No they should, then they can be raided by the big east.

old big east, new big east, or newer big east?

(04-15-2013 11:32 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 05:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 04:21 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 12:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Time for the AAC to pick off a few basketball teams. VCU, Wichita State, and maybe 1 more.

why?

add schools with existing FBS football programs-no basketball only schools

No they should, then they can be raided by the big east.

old big east, new big east, or newer big east?

The OG Big East

(04-15-2013 01:07 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 12:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Time for the AAC to pick off a few basketball teams. VCU, Wichita State, and maybe 1 more.

I'm willing to consider that, but offhand I am just not convinced that AAC can find 3 teams that are both (1.) attainable, and (2.) worth attaining. I am most willing to consider VCU, but after that the whole idea (expanding with Olympic-sports-only programs) seems very sketchy.

Adding Wichita State for Olympics can hardly be sketchy: Wichita's fan interest in basketball easily exceeds much of the rest of the conference. Wichita's metro market, though smaller than Tulsa, would bring many more basketball viewers than Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, etc. Wichita also fits in well with Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Memphis, and Tulane from a rivalry perspective. VCU bridges a gap between Temple and ECU.

Could Davidson's interest in the A10 be a ploy to get the Southern Conference to add the schools it wants?

Quote:Davidson’s athletic department did not refute the report in a statement issued first to the Observer.

“A strong Southern Conference is in our best interest, but we have to consider all options best for Davidson in this volatile environment,” the statement read.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/04...rylink=cpy

Davidson to A10 would be high risk move

Quote:From charter flights to road games, to seven-figure coaching salaries, to ample recruiting budgets, to facilities upgrades, Butler and VCU were either already on par with the top programs in the Atlantic 10 or moving in that direction.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-...ncaab.html

(04-16-2013 01:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Could Davidson's interest in the A10 be a ploy to get the Southern Conference to add the schools it wants?

Quote:Davidson’s athletic department did not refute the report in a statement issued first to the Observer.

“A strong Southern Conference is in our best interest, but we have to consider all options best for Davidson in this volatile environment,” the statement read.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/04...rylink=cpy

Davidson to A10 would be high risk move

Quote:From charter flights to road games, to seven-figure coaching salaries, to ample recruiting budgets, to facilities upgrades, Butler and VCU were either already on par with the top programs in the Atlantic 10 or moving in that direction.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-...ncaab.html

You can't really have a strong SoCon replacing Charleston, App St., Ga Southern for Mercer, Kennesaw St., ETSU. Even if you add who they want, Big South schools? It won't fill that hole. A10 has a tv deal SoCon doesn't, that has to help sway them.

(04-16-2013 01:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Wichita's fan interest in basketball easily exceeds much of the rest of the conference. Wichita's metro market, though smaller than Tulsa, would bring many more basketball viewers than Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, etc. Wichita also fits in well with Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Memphis, and Tulane from a rivalry perspective. VCU bridges a gap between Temple and ECU.

Even if all of that is true -- and just to be clear, I'm not denying that it's true -- it still does not automatically follow that it is in the American's interest to add non-football members.

I am genuinely neutral on the whole idea and if the Shockers or the Rams join in, I'll be glad to welcome them. My point is simply that no one has really shown, in quantifiable terms, how the other members of the American would benefit from that.

(04-14-2013 09:24 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  If they succeed in the A-10 for 5-10 years, they may be BE worthy.

The arrogance reaks of stench. How about Creighton proving they are a good addition to the BE before discussing what may be in Davidson future.

(04-16-2013 05:31 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 09:24 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  If they succeed in the A-10 for 5-10 years, they may be BE worthy.

The arrogance reaks of stench. How about Creighton proving they are a good addition to the BE before discussing what may be in Davidson future.

Sorry, we are actually already in. Face it, the A-10 is the picking ground for the Big East. Until the TV money changes, that's the way it is.

(04-15-2013 05:37 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 11:34 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  It makes sense for Davidson to move with the SoCon crumbling, but they need to buck up in their other sports. They are underfunded and underperforming in all sports not named basketball.

Pfft, the only A10 members that take the olympic sports seriously are Richmond, UMass and Charlotte, and Charlotte is leaving.

You forgot Dayton.

I'm a little surprised by this, if true, but not upset by it. Its a solid add for the A-10. Davidson fits in the A-10 better than it would appear at first. The Southern A-10 division now has VCU, GMU, UR, GWU, and possibly Davidson. Not a bad loop and not too awful for travel.

To those who are upset about the A-10's focus on men's basketball, I say 'not my concern'. Programs join the A-10 precisely because they want to focus on men's basketball. The best thing that ever happened to the A-10 was when the CAA 'stole' our FCS league from us. They tried to focus on basketball and FCS football at the same time and didn't manage to hang on in either. Not every school has the size or even the desire to have a B1G or SEC athletic budget. Heck, even the ACC appears to have to make some choices regarding which sports to emphasize.

(04-16-2013 04:12 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 01:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Could Davidson's interest in the A10 be a ploy to get the Southern Conference to add the schools it wants?

Quote:Davidson’s athletic department did not refute the report in a statement issued first to the Observer.

“A strong Southern Conference is in our best interest, but we have to consider all options best for Davidson in this volatile environment,” the statement read.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/04...rylink=cpy

Davidson to A10 would be high risk move

Quote:From charter flights to road games, to seven-figure coaching salaries, to ample recruiting budgets, to facilities upgrades, Butler and VCU were either already on par with the top programs in the Atlantic 10 or moving in that direction.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-...ncaab.html

You can't really have a strong SoCon replacing Charleston, App St., Ga Southern for Mercer, Kennesaw St., ETSU. Even if you add who they want, Big South schools? It won't fill that hole. A10 has a tv deal SoCon doesn't, that has to help sway them.

From Davidson's perspective, Appy St and Ga Southern really didn't add to basketball. Arguably, Mercer and ETSU do (even if they are prospective football schools). What Davidson would want is a school complimentary in basketball to what College of Charleston was: maybe like UNC-Wilmington (struggling with its athletic finances), Belmont, Winthrop (yes they have fallen off) or even UNC-Asheville or FGCU.

That said, Davidson has had a major gift (and a large existing endowment) that wants to move Davidson to a higher level academically. A move up athletically could complement that.

http://www.davidson.edu/davidsongift/#.UW2brrUd8ms

(04-16-2013 06:55 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 05:31 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 09:24 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  If they succeed in the A-10 for 5-10 years, they may be BE worthy.

The arrogance reaks of stench. How about Creighton proving they are a good addition to the BE before discussing what may be in Davidson future.

Sorry, we are actually already in. Face it, the A-10 is the picking ground for the Big East. Until the TV money changes, that's the way it is.

Who said you wasn't in? I said prove that you deserve to be in. The MVC is a good conference but it ain't top to bottom good like the Big East Mr. That The Way It Is. Your team haven't shot one damn basket in the BE and you're already talking smack. Priceless......nothing wrong with being a little humble and gracious that Crieghton is in a better situation dude.

If the A-10 really does add Davidson, I think they will hold at 14 until seeing what happens with the Big East and Richmond/SLU/Dayton, so the Siena fanboys will have to wait a while longer. The A-10 isn't going to go expansion crazy after shoring up their basketball strength with George Mason and Davidson for the time being.

A-10 IF IT ADDS DAVIDSON (14)
UMass \ Rhode Island
Fordham
St. Bonaventure \ Duquesne
St. Joseph's \ LaSalle
George Washington \ George Mason
VCU \ Richmond
Davidson
Dayton \ St. Louis

I'm starting to think the Big East will end up taking St. Louis and Richmond while leaving Dayton behind. The A-10 will make VCU travel pals with Davidson, a Midwest school like Detroit or NKU or Bellarmine will be added to pair with Dayton, and a Northeast school like Siena or Hofstra or St. Peter's will be added to go with Fordham.