(04-16-2013 08:14 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 08:07 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  UNC (as much as I detest them) are not like your other lowly simple minded schools. They have resources you know not of and they are not going to get on their knees at the pig trough and beg for the crumbs like other schools have done. I personally wish they were out of the ACC but it ain't gonna happen. There are no more water front lots and they are not going to give up their lake front mansion for a bigger mansion 3 blocks off the water.

Yeah they are basically the Texas of the ACC. They created the league and run the league through their puppet Swofford and I do not see them giving that up. If UNC ever leaves the ACC it means there is about to be a Big East level exodus.

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(04-15-2013 07:57 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Bubba wants to compete at the highest level and that takes money. UNC is one of the most recognized brands in the country and it's time to move above 100 mil. There is no reason why this can't happen in the next 5 years.

They tried that with Butch Davis.

(04-16-2013 09:16 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 07:57 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Bubba wants to compete at the highest level and that takes money. UNC is one of the most recognized brands in the country and it's time to move above 100 mil. There is no reason why this can't happen in the next 5 years.

They tried that with Butch Davis.

The needle moved with Butch, but then he got canned. UNC has tons of room to grow and haven't tapped into some of the revenue streams they need to realize.

The ACC has been lazy for years when it comes to maximizing the revenue streams from its products. UNC's current situation is a perfect example of what ails the entire conference. Maryland was the wake up call. The conference's current revenues do not fully reflect its intrinsic value.

The question now is very similar to what a company with an undervalued stock would have to ask. What do we do to get the market to recognize the value?

One way is to liquidate assets by selling them to other companies that can more quickly use them. This is the break up value, whereby anchor schools like UNC, FSU, UVa, etc. all head off to the B1G, SEC and Big 12 just like so many here hope for.

The other way is to grow the "company" internally by getting the "customers" - everyone from season ticket holders to product license holders to TV networks - to actually pay for what the products are worth.

We'll see what direction they go in.

There are reasons that I don't believe that the ACC will be raided again. But they have nothing to do with North Carolina's ability to raise revenue as there are no magic bullets with which to accomplish that feat at this time. It has nothing to do with the "because I say so" type of responses that I have read in this thread. It has everything to do with who owns their television rights.

There is absolutely no way that ESPN is going to lose North Carolina, Duke, Syracuse, N.C. State, Louisville, Clemson, F.S.U., Va Tech, or Miami as a current product. Yet in this thread no ACC fan could get past their emotions enough to point this out. ESPN owns you for more than another decade and they are not going to willingly wave bye to see you pull out and move Northwest to their competitor.

The legitimate issue at hand is at what price does ESPN's desire to hold onto the product cease? When that number is reached then ESPN will likely save it's best ACC product and triage the rest. The top money earners for television (and therefore advertising dollars which is what this is about) are in rough order: Florida State (which is why the Big 10 is interested), Clemson, North Carolina (so much for the danged basketball first theory), Duke (ditto U.N.C.'s remark), Virginia Tech (would be higher but Beamer is slipping), Miami, and N.C. State. Now future projections will put Syracuse and Louisville in that mix as well, but they aren't part of the ACC yet so it's not apples to apples to project them into the mix.

That to me is why if it comes down to spending more than what the collection of teams is worth some defections outside of the ESPN sphere of control might happen. But, and a big but here, Notre Dame is so worth owning the rights to as a product to broadcast, if Terry D is correct and they are looking at a new contract with ESPN and desire to help that conference establish a network, then that's a game changer. With the Irish under contract as part (even if only a partial) of the ACC then the price that would be endured to keep the conference together goes way up.

Add Texas into the mix with a Notre Dame like deal and your content and cache is now competitive.

Something like this has to happen to go beyond just stabilizing the ACC. For the ACC to receive an equal place at a four superconference table they must add content and bring their payouts in line with the SEC and Big 10. That's long term security and it won't be achieved through only adding basketball brands.

If you don't do it then look for triage to come and for your best brands to be parked in other ESPN holdings, like the SEC.

(04-16-2013 07:35 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  You guys are hilarious...UNC -->National Brand and State Flagship

ECU is a regional brand and Appy State not even that.

That wasn't the App State posters point at all. I don't think many people would disagree with you if they're honest with themselves.

The point he made was simply that App fans and ECU fans care more about football. I'd say that's true. There just aren't as many of us.

(04-16-2013 09:52 AM)JRsec Wrote:  But, and a big but here, Notre Dame is so worth owning the rights to as a product to broadcast, if Terry D is correct and they are looking at a new contract with ESPN and desire to help that conference establish a network, then that's a game changer. With the Irish under contract as part (even if only a partial) of the ACC then the price that would be endured to keep the conference together goes way up.

Yes, but... Me thinks that being beholden to the Irish for long-term security is by definition not the answer to long-term security (if that's what you are saying).

(04-16-2013 09:34 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 09:16 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 07:57 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Bubba wants to compete at the highest level and that takes money. UNC is one of the most recognized brands in the country and it's time to move above 100 mil. There is no reason why this can't happen in the next 5 years.

They tried that with Butch Davis.

The needle moved with Butch, but then he got canned. UNC has tons of room to grow and haven't tapped into some of the revenue streams they need to realize.

I totally meant that in another manner. Oh well.

Look, I have no inside information here. I just know that Jack Swarbrick has gone radio silent after talking for months about two things, the NBC renewal and the digital Irish Network.

He talked about ND and NBC being close to signing last June and he mentioned it several times over the summer and into the fall.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-...w-nbc-deal

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ision-deal

2012 proved more than ever that ND is an attractive property. This article from last December shows how ND is poised to rake in a bunch of increased revenues. NBC clearly wants to renew.

http://adage.com/article/news/bowl-nod-n...ld/238583/

But, Jack Swarbrick has not said anything in months about NBC even though the two sides were "close" to re-signing in June and ND had a monster season that made the Irish even more attractive to NBC.

Regarding the proposed digital Irish Network, Swarbrick began talking about it in 2010-2011.


http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry...8/29941344


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...W1xV0r7AZw

http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/sports/2.16...W1vLkr7AZw


http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/sports/swar...W1ut0r7AZw

He even talked about it last fall AFTER ND joined the ACC. He thought that the Irish could still launch their own digital network despite being a partial ACC member:


"Tyler Moorehead: You also mentioned in your last Google Hangout that Notre Dame would never have its own network in the sense of the ESPN Longhorn Network, but you really wanted to continue to expand the digital media rights, and kind of expand a digital network. Now with the move to the ACC, do you have to work with them and their media rights, or how will that digital network, or those goals, be affected by the move?

Jack Swarbrick: The structure is very similar, relative to the television rights with the ACC and the BIG EAST. That is to say, there is a tiering of the rights, their network partners get first choice, the ACC digital network has a secondary choice, and then if things haven’t been picked up by those methods, the school has a choice. So we’ll still have a lot of inventory to develop and work with, and in that sense there’s no significant difference between that structure within the Big East. So we don’t think it will impact us adversely at all, and in fact, given the depth and breadth of the Olympic sports, it probably gives us some really high-quality inventory to work with in the years ahead."


This was in a Google + Chat with ND bloggers on 9/26/12, after the ND move to the ACC.

http://collegespun.com/national/notre-da...W039KKG390


Since then............?

(04-16-2013 10:03 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 07:35 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  You guys are hilarious...UNC -->National Brand and State Flagship

ECU is a regional brand and Appy State not even that.

That wasn't the App State posters point at all. I don't think many people would disagree with you if they're honest with themselves.

The point he made was simply that App fans and ECU fans care more about football. I'd say that's true. There just aren't as many of us.

I'd agree with that. ECU fans are loyal no matter what, at least for football. App fans are loyal given the success the team has had the last decade. UNC may be the "flag ship", but when it comes to football, its fans only come out for a winner.

(04-16-2013 10:46 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 10:03 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 07:35 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  You guys are hilarious...UNC -->National Brand and State Flagship

ECU is a regional brand and Appy State not even that.

That wasn't the App State posters point at all. I don't think many people would disagree with you if they're honest with themselves.

The point he made was simply that App fans and ECU fans care more about football. I'd say that's true. There just aren't as many of us.

I'd agree with that. ECU fans are loyal no matter what, at least for football. App fans are loyal given the success the team has had the last decade. UNC may be the "flag ship", but when it comes to football, its fans only come out for a winner.

I don't doubt that...ECU has had a better FB fanbase than UNC for years...probably at least 15 years...but UNC is still the Flagship.

(04-16-2013 10:51 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 10:46 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 10:03 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 07:35 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  You guys are hilarious...UNC -->National Brand and State Flagship

ECU is a regional brand and Appy State not even that.

That wasn't the App State posters point at all. I don't think many people would disagree with you if they're honest with themselves.

The point he made was simply that App fans and ECU fans care more about football. I'd say that's true. There just aren't as many of us.

I'd agree with that. ECU fans are loyal no matter what, at least for football. App fans are loyal given the success the team has had the last decade. UNC may be the "flag ship", but when it comes to football, its fans only come out for a winner.

I don't doubt that...ECU has had a better FB fanbase than UNC for years...probably at least 15 years...but UNC is still the Flagship.

I agree; however, that's mainly due to history and those folks in Raleigh. Other schools are catching up, there's a reason Chapel Hill held a football practice about 5 miles from Charlotte's campus recently.

(04-15-2013 10:01 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 09:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-15-2013 09:52 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  There is very little that doesn't add fuel to the fire of reallignment talks.

Very true but come on...its the UNC AD, saying that he wants to see UNC bringing in 40% more in athletic revenue. That is not chump change or small increases in television contracts. That perhaps is THE biggest statement put out by a University AD or President lately and it absolutely has some affect on realignment talks.

I will admit that we all tend to make more out of statements than what is likely there but not this time. For him to actually state 40% more, that is very bold.

I love how everyone on this board is so eager to see the ACC collapse without acknowledging that all athletic departments want to increase revenue streams. You do know the ACC TV contract & the ACC network are in the works, right?

??? You are speaking in absolutes. That certainly doesn't help your argument.

(04-16-2013 10:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 10:51 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 10:46 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 10:03 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 07:35 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  You guys are hilarious...UNC -->National Brand and State Flagship

ECU is a regional brand and Appy State not even that.

That wasn't the App State posters point at all. I don't think many people would disagree with you if they're honest with themselves.

The point he made was simply that App fans and ECU fans care more about football. I'd say that's true. There just aren't as many of us.

I'd agree with that. ECU fans are loyal no matter what, at least for football. App fans are loyal given the success the team has had the last decade. UNC may be the "flag ship", but when it comes to football, its fans only come out for a winner.

I don't doubt that...ECU has had a better FB fanbase than UNC for years...probably at least 15 years...but UNC is still the Flagship.

I agree; however, that's mainly due to history and those folks in Raleigh. Other schools are catching up, there's a reason Chapel Hill held a football practice about 5 miles from Charlotte's campus recently.

that might have something to do with Charlotte having the largest UNC fanbase & the highest concentration of div. 1 level prospects in the state.

(04-16-2013 11:15 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 10:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 10:51 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 10:46 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 10:03 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  That wasn't the App State posters point at all. I don't think many people would disagree with you if they're honest with themselves.

The point he made was simply that App fans and ECU fans care more about football. I'd say that's true. There just aren't as many of us.

I'd agree with that. ECU fans are loyal no matter what, at least for football. App fans are loyal given the success the team has had the last decade. UNC may be the "flag ship", but when it comes to football, its fans only come out for a winner.

I don't doubt that...ECU has had a better FB fanbase than UNC for years...probably at least 15 years...but UNC is still the Flagship.

I agree; however, that's mainly due to history and those folks in Raleigh. Other schools are catching up, there's a reason Chapel Hill held a football practice about 5 miles from Charlotte's campus recently.

that might have something to do with Charlotte having the largest UNC fanbase & the highest concentration of div. 1 level prospects in the state.

Maybe, but I'm guessing having a future FBS program in the city doesn't sit well with the folks in Chapel Hill. Not saying Charlotte will compete with Chapel Hill for some time, but eventually, it will.

I'm sure we've put in a call to Chapel Hill, Charlottesville too probably.

If they say no and go B1G, good for them and I wish them well.

I'm also sure that in such event, the folks in Raleigh and Blacksburg would be quite eager to see what the SEC brand can do for them.

(04-15-2013 11:52 PM)rutgers4life Wrote:  haha, this discussion is hilarious. Look, no one blames ACC fans for drinking the kool-aid and defying common sense, but this argument boils down to one incredibly simple fact...

UNC joins B1G, then 40% revenue increase happens over night.

UNC does NOT join B1G, then 40% revenue increase is extremely unlikely and even if possible, will involve 1) insane amount of work 2) better OOC scheduling 3) operating perfectly 4) luck.

As a former Big East member, I know exactly how it feels to deny the pecking order, and be delusional about conference loyalty. ...but karma's coming to the ACC one way or another. At the end of the day, UNC can double its revenue tomorrow by joining the B1G - how do you possibly compare with that?? I love the ACC network argument, because you obviously do not understand the power of ESPN and the contract you signed. Even if ESPN were to magically decide to really work with the ACC, it would never truly be a free reign type of thing, and would never bring in as much money as the BIG network. If you can't face that reality, then you've been spending way too much time with Tallgrass on spin island.

This is simple dollars and sense... UNC gets better bowls, more money, more prestige, CIC (which despite what you may think, is THE the most important), and infinite stability in the B1G. Now, do you really think they'll stand pat... as their buddies take the offer? Because if UNC balks, others WILL go upon being offered.

if unc was goingto leave for another conference I doubt it would be the b1G more likely sec

I'm surprised some of their goons in the State House haven't pushed through a special tax to help save the precious state treasure that is Chapel Hill Athletics.

"Is it the well, or the bell, or the fact that Chapel Hill can go straight to Hell, that makes it such a special place?"

(04-16-2013 12:02 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I'm surprised some of their goons in the State House haven't pushed through a special tax to help save the precious state treasure that is Chapel Hill Athletics.

"Is it the well, or the bell, or the fact that Chapel Hill can go straight to Hell, that makes it such a special place?"

Well geez thanks for giving them the idea.