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RE: Evolution of FBS/Div 1-A Membership
The OP projects there will be 130 FBS schools in 2015. Assuming no more power conference expansion in the interim, exactly half or 65 of those will be power conference members (assuming Notre Dame is treated as an ACC member). Just a coincidence but interesting nonetheless... 65 haves, and 65 have-nots that want to knock them off their pedestal.
04-17-2013 01:24 AM
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RE: Evolution of FBS/Div 1-A Membership
(04-16-2013 10:10 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  FAMU doesn't count and shouldn't be on this list. They never played any sort of FBS schedule. They wanted to go FBS but failed to do so. What they did in 2004 would be the equivalent of what Georgia State did last year, or UMass/USA/TxSt/UTSA in 2011 -- FCS planning to move up and therefore ineligible for the playoffs -- but they never followed through with an actual move to FBS, and returned to the MEAC with FCS eligibility restored in 2005, never to speak of attempting such a harebrained scheme again. They are an asterisk in the history of very overblown ambition.

Again, I relied entirely on sports-reference.com. Make of it what you will.

I did go back and find FAMU's 2004 results:

Nov 27, 2004 Miami, FL Fla. International 40, Florida A&M 23
Nov 20, 2004 Orlando, FL Bethune-Cookman 58, Florida A&M 52
Oct 30,2004 Tallahassee, Fla. Florida Atlantic 38, Florida A&M 8
Oct 23, 2004 Tallahassee, FL Florida A&M 50, Savannah State 14
Oct 16, 2004 Blacksburg, Va. Virginia Tech 62, Florida A&M 0
Oct 09, 2004 Tallahassee, FL Nicholls State 42, Florida A&M 25
Oct 02, 2004 Tallahassee, FL Florida A&M 35, Virginia Union 10
Sep 25, 2004 Atlanta, Georgia Florida A&M 21, Tennessee State 15
Sep 18, 2004 Philadelphia, PA Temple 38, Florida A&M 7
Sep 11, 2004 New Orleans, La. Tulane 39, Florida A&M 19
Sep 04, 2004 Champaign, Ill. Illinois 52, Florida A&M 13

They played 11 games, 5 versus FCS Opponents, 4 versus FBS opponents, and 2 versus other transitional FBS opponents (FIU and FAU).

This is quite similar to the schedule that UTSA played in their first year of FBS last year, in both cases transitional schedules that would not qualify as FBS schedules for a full FBS member. This is in contrast to Texas St., for instance, which did have an FBS qualifying schedule even though it was in a transitional year.
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RE: Evolution of FBS/Div 1-A Membership
(04-16-2013 04:10 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(04-16-2013 01:46 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  They need to raise the bar again for IA membership... 20 sports!

MORE sports that nobody wants to watch?

Whoever said that the goal of college sports was to get fans? Last time I checked, the mission statement of the NCAA talks about supporting the student-athlete. Not a word about trying to get big crowds.

It's time for the NCAA to be true to their mission statement. Force schools to give that extra $1 million to 20 more athletes. Unless it's a universal rule, basic economics says that it will go towards increasing the football coaches' salaries.
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RE: Evolution of FBS/Div 1-A Membership
(04-18-2013 05:31 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-16-2013 04:10 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(04-16-2013 01:46 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  They need to raise the bar again for IA membership... 20 sports!

MORE sports that nobody wants to watch?

Whoever said that the goal of college sports was to get fans? Last time I checked, the mission statement of the NCAA talks about supporting the student-athlete. Not a word about trying to get big crowds.

It's time for the NCAA to be true to their mission statement. Force schools to give that extra $1 million to 20 more athletes. Unless it's a universal rule, basic economics says that it will go towards increasing the football coaches' salaries.

I've made the same argument about the Philosophy statement.

Sad thing is almost no one knows the origin of the attendance requirement.

When Division I football was split into I-A and I-AA back in 1977 (for the 1978 season) sport sponsorship was to be the determining factor. Sponsor a minimum number of sports and play mostly I-A teams. That was going to be the whole thing. There were a group of schools that did not sponsor enough sports but had big stadiums and drew nice crowds. So they wrote an exception. If you didn't meet the sport sponsorship piece you could still be I-A if you either:
-Had 30,000 seats and averaged 17,000 once in four years.
-Had less than 30,000 seats averaged 17,000 over four years (total attendance at home divided by total number of games)
-Had 30,000 seats and averaged 20,000 home and away once in four years.
-Had less than 30,000 seats and averaged 20,000 home and away over four years.
-Be a member of a conference where at more than half the members met I-A criteria.

Attendance was a savings clause. It first came into play to keep well supported football programs from moving down just because they didn't meet the sponsorship criteria.

In 1981 after the season, to reduce the number of teams sharing the TV money, they changed attendance from a way to avoid moving down when you didn't otherwise make it, into the criteria to be I-A

With no lead time to adjust it snagged a lot of schools who were stunned to get pushed out immediately by using a set of rules they had never made any effort to comply with because those were the rules for the schools not offering a larger comprehensive athletic program.
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RE: Evolution of FBS/Div 1-A Membership
In 1982 when the MAC was temporarily (one year) re-classified the conference nad the member schools choose to ignore the desigation. Therefore, MAC schools did not participate in the DIAA football playoffs that year even though they were eligible to do so. The rules were changed by the next season and the conference was re-designated DIA.
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RE: Evolution of FBS/Div 1-A Membership
(04-18-2013 05:31 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-16-2013 04:10 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(04-16-2013 01:46 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  They need to raise the bar again for IA membership... 20 sports!

MORE sports that nobody wants to watch?

Whoever said that the goal of college sports was to get fans? Last time I checked, the mission statement of the NCAA talks about supporting the student-athlete. Not a word about trying to get big crowds.

It's time for the NCAA to be true to their mission statement. Force schools to give that extra $1 million to 20 more athletes. Unless it's a universal rule, basic economics says that it will go towards increasing the football coaches' salaries.

I agree. So why is everyone so interested in knocking schools out of Division I because of attendance?
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