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Bowlsby-Big 12 Still Not Looking To Expand.
One current Big-12 commissioner (Bowlsby) and one past Big-12 commissioner (Beebe) spoke to about 200 Texas students in the College of Communications today.

AUSTIN — Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said Tuesday he believes “calmer heads are prevailing” in the world of major college conference realignment, and insisted his league feels no pressure to expand beyond its current 10-school alignment.

“No one has proven to me larger is better,” Bowlsby said.

Bowlsby said conferences should be wary about trying to poach schools from conferences like the Big East and the ACC, calling realignment a “zero-sum game.” “Engulf and devour doesn’t work,” he said.



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Texas will not be for expansion until they know whether or not they are staying. 10 is easier to dissolve than 12. If they do decide to stay then they will only want a pair of teams with cache.
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I'll give Bowlsby credit...he comes out and says stuff that he believes is accurate....a refreshing change from Delaney and Swofford that basically flat out lie to the general public.
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(04-17-2013 01:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas will not be for expansion until they know whether or not they are staying. 10 is easier to dissolve than 12. If they do decide to stay then they will only want a pair of teams with cache.

Texas already knows......they are staying. They have the best situation in all of college fooball. They are not leaving what they have built.
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Beebe, who was replaced as Big 12 commissioner as part of the fallout from Texas A&M and Missouri leaving the league, said it was a “validation” that the conference’s schools later agreed to a grant of rights, which he’d advocated all along. “I feel like the conference was driving over a cliff, and they turned the bus around and ran me over.”

A line worthy of the fake Dan Beebe!
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Could be we be entering a calming period? I thought we were before the Big Ten acted. For the most part everyone has what they want. The Big Ten is now in the New York- New Jersey market and the Baltimore-Washington market, the ACC has Notre Dame for a partial schedule, Texas is happy at 10 so the Big XII will not expand, the SEC is starting up their own network, and the PAC-12 is sitting pretty at 12.

Also complete is the Big East breakup. The C7 have the name and their three new schools, maybe the add two more but those are minor ripples in realignment. The American Athletic Conference has their 12th member and probably isn't looking to expand, the Mountain West and C-USA is set with their future membership.

I don't see a great need to act during the next three to five years as I see conferences integrating new members and monitoring the new playoff system.
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(04-17-2013 01:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas will not be for expansion until they know whether or not they are staying. 10 is easier to dissolve than 12. If they do decide to stay then they will only want a pair of teams with cache.

Texas is for worthwhile expansion. We won't just add anyone.

If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.
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(04-17-2013 08:24 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 01:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas will not be for expansion until they know whether or not they are staying. 10 is easier to dissolve than 12. If they do decide to stay then they will only want a pair of teams with cache.

Texas already knows......they are staying. They have the best situation in all of college fooball.

Very true.
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(04-17-2013 08:58 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 01:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas will not be for expansion until they know whether or not they are staying. 10 is easier to dissolve than 12. If they do decide to stay then they will only want a pair of teams with cache.

Texas is for worthwhile expansion. We won't just add anyone.

If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

A decade is really a small amount of time when it comes to conference affiliation.
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(04-17-2013 08:51 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Could be we be entering a calming period? I thought we were before the Big Ten acted. For the most part everyone has what they want. The Big Ten is now in the New York- New Jersey market and the Baltimore-Washington market, the ACC has Notre Dame for a partial schedule, Texas is happy at 10 so the Big XII will not expand, the SEC is starting up their own network, and the PAC-12 is sitting pretty at 12.

Also complete is the Big East breakup. The C7 have the name and their three new schools, maybe the add two more but those are minor ripples in realignment. The American Athletic Conference has their 12th member and probably isn't looking to expand, the Mountain West and C-USA is set with their future membership.

I don't see a great need to act during the next three to five years as I see conferences integrating new members and monitoring the new playoff system.

I think it pretty much depends on if the B1G is done or not. I really don't believe the SEC is actively looking to expand. If the B1G decides they are happy at 14 then everything is going to stop for a while.
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(04-17-2013 09:25 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 08:51 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Could be we be entering a calming period? I thought we were before the Big Ten acted. For the most part everyone has what they want. The Big Ten is now in the New York- New Jersey market and the Baltimore-Washington market, the ACC has Notre Dame for a partial schedule, Texas is happy at 10 so the Big XII will not expand, the SEC is starting up their own network, and the PAC-12 is sitting pretty at 12.

Also complete is the Big East breakup. The C7 have the name and their three new schools, maybe the add two more but those are minor ripples in realignment. The American Athletic Conference has their 12th member and probably isn't looking to expand, the Mountain West and C-USA is set with their future membership.

I don't see a great need to act during the next three to five years as I see conferences integrating new members and monitoring the new playoff system.

I think it pretty much depends on if the B1G is done or not. I really don't believe the SEC is actively looking to expand. If the B1G decides they are happy at 14 then everything is going to stop for a while.

Realignment is never done but I am not sure the Big Ten takes the next step to 16 anytime soon. Rutgers and Maryland gave them the two eastern markets they desired plus it gave Penn State two regional rivals. You have to wonder from a scheduling standpoint if moving to 16 dilutes the product. No question if Notre Dame, North Carolina, or Texas ask to join they will added in a minute but I a don't any top tier schools asking anytime soon.
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(04-17-2013 08:58 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 01:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas will not be for expansion until they know whether or not they are staying. 10 is easier to dissolve than 12. If they do decide to stay then they will only want a pair of teams with cache.

Texas is for worthwhile expansion. We won't just add anyone.

If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

The GOR are about as useful as an exit fee. Neither are likely to fully hold up in court and both are negotiable as hell.
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(04-17-2013 09:45 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 08:58 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 01:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas will not be for expansion until they know whether or not they are staying. 10 is easier to dissolve than 12. If they do decide to stay then they will only want a pair of teams with cache.

Texas is for worthwhile expansion. We won't just add anyone.

If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

The GOR are about as useful as an exit fee. Neither are likely to fully hold up in court and both are negotiable as hell.

Rinse and repeat: If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

UT isn't going to the SEC. They aren't going to the B1G and fly their women's softball team all around the Midwest (quote from President Powers), they aren't going for less money in the ACC and they aren't going west-they've already explored the Pac twice.

One more time for good measure: If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.
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(04-17-2013 10:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 09:45 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 08:58 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 01:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas will not be for expansion until they know whether or not they are staying. 10 is easier to dissolve than 12. If they do decide to stay then they will only want a pair of teams with cache.

Texas is for worthwhile expansion. We won't just add anyone.

If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

The GOR are about as useful as an exit fee. Neither are likely to fully hold up in court and both are negotiable as hell.

Rinse and repeat: If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

UT isn't going to the SEC. They aren't going to the B1G and fly their women's softball team all around the Midwest (quote from President Powers), they aren't going for less money in the ACC and they aren't going west-they've already explored the Pac twice.

One more time for good measure: If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

I would say that in this environment a little tin foil hat-ish-ness is preferable to head in the sand-ish-ness. The Big 12 remains 8 votes away from dissolution. Additions, as I pointed out a year ago, coupled with the GOR will put this to rest. But here we are a year later with West Virginia still on an Island and Texas still dragging their feet on additions. Texas has no need to be in a hurry about anything. The longer they and Notre Dame wait the more likely they are to get the offer they are looking for whether that is a hybrid deal like the Irish worked with the ACC or concessions like those Texas wanted from the PAC.

Should Delany be successful in poaching a couple of more ACC teams (which I am not convinced he will be) it would likely start the long ballyhooed run on that conference. The Big 10 and SEC would expand, but since they are both feeding networks I don't think there would be much left for the Big 12 to expand with.

Math takes over at that point and the earnings gap becomes a chasm. Not pursuing additions puts Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma in a more flexible position to respond to that kind of scenario. The fact that they haven't expanded means that they consider it to be enough of a possibility to remain cautious. That is hardly tin-foil-hattish to say.

I promise you if anything happens to the ACC we are moving to 3 conferences. The present Big 12 doesn't have the markets to compete with an expanding Big 10 and SEC and the revenue gap would only lock the Big 12 into the same disadvantage that has plagued the ACC. Do you really think the Horns and Sooners will allow that to happen to their programs? I don't.

Also, the elimination two of the remaining 5 power conferences would earn each team in the remaining three conferences (if the remaining conferences had 20 teams each) an additional 2 million dollars per year in just playoff shares. That doesn't include added markets and content upgrades from the additions. It also strengthens the three regions of the country that must remain totally engaged in any kind of playoff to keep advertising dollars maxed for the networks. The networks want the entire nation to remain engaged and for there to be competitive balance between the surviving conferences.

But that's just the way I see it. Maybe we are done and everything remains static. But, it just doesn't look that way to me.

As Teddy Roosevelt and the movie "Signs" taught me, "Wear a tin foil hat that fits softly and carry a big baseball bat."
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(04-17-2013 10:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 09:45 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 08:58 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 01:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas will not be for expansion until they know whether or not they are staying. 10 is easier to dissolve than 12. If they do decide to stay then they will only want a pair of teams with cache.

Texas is for worthwhile expansion. We won't just add anyone.

If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

The GOR are about as useful as an exit fee. Neither are likely to fully hold up in court and both are negotiable as hell.

Rinse and repeat: If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

UT isn't going to the SEC. They aren't going to the B1G and fly their women's softball team all around the Midwest (quote from President Powers), they aren't going for less money in the ACC and they aren't going west-they've already explored the Pac twice.

One more time for good measure: If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.
Not implying Texas is leaving. But I don't think GOR means they can't leave.

Maryland's president suggested the ACC triple their exit fee to over $50M. Then Maryland decided to leave for the Big Ten.

But I can see why you're worked up about it. If Texas leaves the rest of the Big 12 becomes second tier.
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(04-17-2013 10:38 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  Maryland's president suggested the ACC triple their exit fee to over $50M. Then Maryland decided to leave for the Big Ten.

Maryland's president absolutely did NOT suggest that the ACC triple their exit fee. In fact, he was one of the 2 ACC presidents that specifically *against* it (the other being FSU's president).
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(04-17-2013 11:13 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 10:38 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  Maryland's president suggested the ACC triple their exit fee to over $50M. Then Maryland decided to leave for the Big Ten.

Maryland's president absolutely did NOT suggest that the ACC triple their exit fee. In fact, he was one of the 2 ACC presidents that specifically *against* it (the other being FSU's president).
He started the proposal and then later voted against it. But he was the driving force behind the idea.
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(04-17-2013 09:45 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 08:58 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 01:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas will not be for expansion until they know whether or not they are staying. 10 is easier to dissolve than 12. If they do decide to stay then they will only want a pair of teams with cache.

Texas is for worthwhile expansion. We won't just add anyone.

If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

The GOR are about as useful as an exit fee. Neither are likely to fully hold up in court and both are negotiable as hell.

1- GOR is substantially stronger. It;s not even a contest.

2- Even if it is capable of being broken without too much trouble (something I disagree with) it still doesn't indicate UT wanting to look around.
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(04-17-2013 10:38 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 10:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 09:45 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 08:58 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2013 01:47 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas will not be for expansion until they know whether or not they are staying. 10 is easier to dissolve than 12. If they do decide to stay then they will only want a pair of teams with cache.

Texas is for worthwhile expansion. We won't just add anyone.

If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

The GOR are about as useful as an exit fee. Neither are likely to fully hold up in court and both are negotiable as hell.

Rinse and repeat: If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.

UT isn't going to the SEC. They aren't going to the B1G and fly their women's softball team all around the Midwest (quote from President Powers), they aren't going for less money in the ACC and they aren't going west-they've already explored the Pac twice.

One more time for good measure: If UT was looking around they wouldn't lock themselves in for a decade with the GOR. To imply otherwise is tin-foil hat-ish.
Not implying Texas is leaving. But I don't think GOR means they can't leave.

Maryland's president suggested the ACC triple their exit fee to over $50M. Then Maryland decided to leave for the Big Ten.

But I can see why you're worked up about it. If Texas leaves the rest of the Big 12 becomes second tier.

1- Pretty sure Bullet is a UT guy.

2- Technically... yes they can leave with deep enough pockets. Practically speaking? It would change the equation more than enough to make such a move illogical.
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The big12 will expand when their tv contract is up for renewal. So we have a few years to go.

One of two scenerios will happen - either the big 12 raids the acc or texas, tx tech, ou & ok state pack their bags & head to the pac12. In which case the leftover big 12 teams raid the aac, mtn west & possibly cusa for replacements.
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