In today's marketplace...

I think Missouri (if offered by B1G) would need to take it and would take it. They have a lousy travel set-up in the SEC so they aren't worse off and have a real rivalry with Illinois and a kinda rivalry with Nebraska. The financial fundamentals are sound and they might be a bit more competitive in football.

If the ACC were perceived stable, both Vandy and Kentucky would be threats to at least weigh the idea of moving.

I have a hard time with Vandy to B1G because I don't think B1G fits their self-image the way the ACC could.

(04-19-2013 12:58 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 12:44 PM)eagleriffic Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 12:33 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I think it's possible. Mizzou and Vandy would be the ones I'd think are most likely, but only if the move is to the B1G. One thing to consider is that within the SEC, the "arms race" is even more intense than in the other conferences. At some point, the schools are going to get sick and tired of trying to spend so much money on athletics. I'll say it again, athletics are nothing more than an advertising arm for the universities. Sooner or later, the schools are going to scale back. JMHO, but I think this is what we'll see sooner or later.

Very well put.

I'm with you two. I think both of those schools would join the B1G if offered. I also think the B1G would very much like to poach at least one school from every major conference other than the PAC just to show them all who is the boss.

OMG.... will this ever end with Mizzou? If they wanted to be in the B1G they would have invaded Nebraska, burned the corn, force-marched the Nebraskans to Austin for interrogation and confinement, and then took their place. Seriously, Missouri could have just sit tight for a couple of years and waited. I am pretty sure they would have been the next. We receive full partnership in the SEC. Why in the world would Mizzou join the B1G and accept a partial share of the revenue? It's just gone too far now. If the B1G would have started a bidding war when we received the invite to the SEC, who knows? I doubt Missouri ever considered that the SEC would be interested in them. When the SEC answered the call it changed a lot of priorities...

(04-19-2013 12:58 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 12:44 PM)eagleriffic Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 12:33 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I think it's possible. Mizzou and Vandy would be the ones I'd think are most likely, but only if the move is to the B1G. One thing to consider is that within the SEC, the "arms race" is even more intense than in the other conferences. At some point, the schools are going to get sick and tired of trying to spend so much money on athletics. I'll say it again, athletics are nothing more than an advertising arm for the universities. Sooner or later, the schools are going to scale back. JMHO, but I think this is what we'll see sooner or later.

Very well put.

I'm with you two. I think both of those schools would join the B1G if offered. I also think the B1G would very much like to poach at least one school from every major conference other than the PAC just to show them all who is the boss.

But it's also not probable. In the end, I believe the conferences are largely set, and it's up to what ND does in the future that will determine if more realignment takes place.

(04-19-2013 01:07 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 12:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  That's okay, Ohio State is now under the supervision of an SEC spy.

Urban works for no one but himself.

That's true, which means he is available for use to the highest bidder .

(04-19-2013 01:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  In today's marketplace...

I think Missouri (if offered by B1G) would need to take it and would take it. They have a lousy travel set-up in the SEC so they aren't worse off and have a real rivalry with Illinois and a kinda rivalry with Nebraska. The financial fundamentals are sound and they might be a bit more competitive in football.

If the ACC were perceived stable, both Vandy and Kentucky would be threats to at least weigh the idea of moving.

I have a hard time with Vandy to B1G because I don't think B1G fits their self-image the way the ACC could.

Missouri has four schools they will play annually that border Missouri. Mississippi is less than 100 miles from Missouri. Only SC and UF are a good distance from Missouri. You think Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, and Ohio, Maryland and Rutgers are any closer? Try again.

(04-19-2013 01:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  For this to happen it would have to be a team from a state which already has 2 SEC teams one of which is in the "shadow" of the other.

The only teams which meet those criteria are Auburn/Alabama, Vanderbilt/Tennessee, and Mississippi St/Ole Miss.
If Auburn falls WAY behind Alabama (perhaps due to NCAA sanctions?) I suppose it's possible, but not likely - Auburn has simply had too much success in the SEC. Ole Miss & Miss. St tend to go back & forth, so I don't think either considers themselves to be in the shadow of the other.

So that just leaves Vanderbilt. Would they ever jump to the Big Ten? Who knows. But that's probably the only one which would even consider it.

I wish the State of Mississippi would have an honest moment and say "Look guys, our two schools have both the lowest revenue and the lowest academic standing of any school in the SEC, and both are by a wide margin. Seriously, guys, I'm not kidding. We are the last two in basically every category. Let's either merge the two schools or drop sports in one and put all of our resources toward the other. Both of our schools combined will equal about one Arkansas." Everyone living in the South would give them a golf clap for such a move.

(04-19-2013 01:33 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  For this to happen it would have to be a team from a state which already has 2 SEC teams one of which is in the "shadow" of the other.

The only teams which meet those criteria are Auburn/Alabama, Vanderbilt/Tennessee, and Mississippi St/Ole Miss.
If Auburn falls WAY behind Alabama (perhaps due to NCAA sanctions?) I suppose it's possible, but not likely - Auburn has simply had too much success in the SEC. Ole Miss & Miss. St tend to go back & forth, so I don't think either considers themselves to be in the shadow of the other.

So that just leaves Vanderbilt. Would they ever jump to the Big Ten? Who knows. But that's probably the only one which would even consider it.

I wish the State of Mississippi would have an honest moment and say "Look guys, our two schools have both the lowest revenue and the lowest academic standing of any school in the SEC, and both are by a wide margin. Seriously, guys, I'm not kidding. We are the last two in basically every category. Let's either merge the two schools or drop sports in one and put all of our resources toward the other. Both of our schools combined will equal about one Arkansas." Everyone living in the South would give them a golf clap for such a move.

(04-19-2013 01:39 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:33 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  For this to happen it would have to be a team from a state which already has 2 SEC teams one of which is in the "shadow" of the other.

The only teams which meet those criteria are Auburn/Alabama, Vanderbilt/Tennessee, and Mississippi St/Ole Miss.
If Auburn falls WAY behind Alabama (perhaps due to NCAA sanctions?) I suppose it's possible, but not likely - Auburn has simply had too much success in the SEC. Ole Miss & Miss. St tend to go back & forth, so I don't think either considers themselves to be in the shadow of the other.

So that just leaves Vanderbilt. Would they ever jump to the Big Ten? Who knows. But that's probably the only one which would even consider it.

I wish the State of Mississippi would have an honest moment and say "Look guys, our two schools have both the lowest revenue and the lowest academic standing of any school in the SEC, and both are by a wide margin. Seriously, guys, I'm not kidding. We are the last two in basically every category. Let's either merge the two schools or drop sports in one and put all of our resources toward the other. Both of our schools combined will equal about one Arkansas." Everyone living in the South would give them a golf clap for such a move.

I'm new here. Let me get through the archives of the conversations you guys have had over the last few years, and then you can start beating on me!

(04-19-2013 01:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 12:58 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 12:44 PM)eagleriffic Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 12:33 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I think it's possible. Mizzou and Vandy would be the ones I'd think are most likely, but only if the move is to the B1G. One thing to consider is that within the SEC, the "arms race" is even more intense than in the other conferences. At some point, the schools are going to get sick and tired of trying to spend so much money on athletics. I'll say it again, athletics are nothing more than an advertising arm for the universities. Sooner or later, the schools are going to scale back. JMHO, but I think this is what we'll see sooner or later.

Very well put.

I'm with you two. I think both of those schools would join the B1G if offered. I also think the B1G would very much like to poach at least one school from every major conference other than the PAC just to show them all who is the boss.

Vandy supposedly has a standing Big 10 offer. They won't leave.

And as far as Rusty showing everyone who is boss, well I guess they sure showed the Big East. And they took the ACC's welfare case off their hands. That's showing them alright!

I think you missed my sarcasm in the "boss" comment.

(04-19-2013 01:56 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:39 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:33 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  For this to happen it would have to be a team from a state which already has 2 SEC teams one of which is in the "shadow" of the other.

The only teams which meet those criteria are Auburn/Alabama, Vanderbilt/Tennessee, and Mississippi St/Ole Miss.
If Auburn falls WAY behind Alabama (perhaps due to NCAA sanctions?) I suppose it's possible, but not likely - Auburn has simply had too much success in the SEC. Ole Miss & Miss. St tend to go back & forth, so I don't think either considers themselves to be in the shadow of the other.

So that just leaves Vanderbilt. Would they ever jump to the Big Ten? Who knows. But that's probably the only one which would even consider it.

I wish the State of Mississippi would have an honest moment and say "Look guys, our two schools have both the lowest revenue and the lowest academic standing of any school in the SEC, and both are by a wide margin. Seriously, guys, I'm not kidding. We are the last two in basically every category. Let's either merge the two schools or drop sports in one and put all of our resources toward the other. Both of our schools combined will equal about one Arkansas." Everyone living in the South would give them a golf clap for such a move.

I'm new here. Let me get through the archives of the conversations you guys have had over the last few years, and then you can start beating on me!

Lol.. I am not beating on you. We have all been beating this subject to death for a long time. Actually a Mississippi merger is a new option I do not remember being discussed. Mississippi would burn down if they try it though. Enjoy your posts. Welcome aboard.

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I dont think he was beating you but the subject. Its been beaten to death. A combined MSU/OM program would be much better & much more competitive. Same if you threw USM into the mix. It will never happen though. For our population we have too many schools. This includes major universities, historically black school schools, jr colleges & so on. Throw in that a kid must have a 21 ACT score to go to USM, MState or ole miss where they can go out of state & only have an 18 ACT score to play for a d1a school. We see a lot of our talent leave the state.

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I'm new here. Let me get through the archives of the conversations you guys have had over the last few years, and then you can start beating on me!
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I dont think he was beating you but the subject. Its been beaten to death. A combined MSU/OM program would be much better & much more competitive. Same if you threw USM into the mix. It will never happen though. For our population we have too many schools. This includes major universities, historically black school schools, jr colleges & so on. Throw in that a kid must have a 21 ACT score to go to USM, MState or ole miss where they can go out of state & only have an 18 ACT score to play for a d1a school. We see a lot of our talent leave the state.

True Eagleriffic... I always wondered how we got so many D1 schools down here. Different time and era back then I guess. Your comments regarding the ACT scores in MS makes me wonder why so many posters here think that Ole Miss and MSU are academic junk.

(04-19-2013 02:07 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:56 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:39 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:33 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  For this to happen it would have to be a team from a state which already has 2 SEC teams one of which is in the "shadow" of the other.

The only teams which meet those criteria are Auburn/Alabama, Vanderbilt/Tennessee, and Mississippi St/Ole Miss.
If Auburn falls WAY behind Alabama (perhaps due to NCAA sanctions?) I suppose it's possible, but not likely - Auburn has simply had too much success in the SEC. Ole Miss & Miss. St tend to go back & forth, so I don't think either considers themselves to be in the shadow of the other.

So that just leaves Vanderbilt. Would they ever jump to the Big Ten? Who knows. But that's probably the only one which would even consider it.

I wish the State of Mississippi would have an honest moment and say "Look guys, our two schools have both the lowest revenue and the lowest academic standing of any school in the SEC, and both are by a wide margin. Seriously, guys, I'm not kidding. We are the last two in basically every category. Let's either merge the two schools or drop sports in one and put all of our resources toward the other. Both of our schools combined will equal about one Arkansas." Everyone living in the South would give them a golf clap for such a move.

I'm new here. Let me get through the archives of the conversations you guys have had over the last few years, and then you can start beating on me!

Lol.. I am not beating on you. We have all been beating this subject to death for a long time. Actually a Mississippi merger is a new option I do not remember being discussed. Mississippi would burn down if they try it though. Enjoy your posts. Welcome aboard.

Ha! Appreciate it. About this Mississippi thing... seriously, how awesome would a combined University of Mississippi be! This has been the strategy of all the states up and down the Mississippi River, coincidentally. LA, AR, TN MO, IL, WI, MN. The only other state along that route with a struggling state school... Iowa. Combine their state school into Iowa, and you have an incredible University (both Iowa and Iowa State are AAU members, too). If Miss. St. and Iowa St. were reduced to the scope and function of, say, a Missouri State, Arkansas State, Illinois State, etc., you have something going for you.

Conference Realignment board... where the world's problems find solutions.

(04-19-2013 02:36 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 02:07 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:56 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:39 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 01:33 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  I wish the State of Mississippi would have an honest moment and say "Look guys, our two schools have both the lowest revenue and the lowest academic standing of any school in the SEC, and both are by a wide margin. Seriously, guys, I'm not kidding. We are the last two in basically every category. Let's either merge the two schools or drop sports in one and put all of our resources toward the other. Both of our schools combined will equal about one Arkansas." Everyone living in the South would give them a golf clap for such a move.

I'm new here. Let me get through the archives of the conversations you guys have had over the last few years, and then you can start beating on me!

Lol.. I am not beating on you. We have all been beating this subject to death for a long time. Actually a Mississippi merger is a new option I do not remember being discussed. Mississippi would burn down if they try it though. Enjoy your posts. Welcome aboard.

Ha! Appreciate it. About this Mississippi thing... seriously, how awesome would a combined University of Mississippi be! This has been the strategy of all the states up and down the Mississippi River, coincidentally. LA, AR, TN MO, IL, WI, MN. The only other state along that route with a struggling state school... Iowa. Combine their state school into Iowa, and you have an incredible University (both Iowa and Iowa State are AAU members, too). If Miss. St. and Iowa St. were reduced to the scope and function of, say, a Missouri State, Arkansas State, Illinois State, etc., you have something going for you.

Conference Realignment board... where the world's problems find solutions.

True. It's the back room politics that prevent solutions such as this one.

A few years ago a small group wanted to combine Jackson St, Alcorn & Ms Valley St & you would have thought those ppl had committed high treason. The jsu prez got oustd for saying it was a good idea if i remember right.

So imagine the outrage if um/msu/usm combo would have. Although i do like the golden reble dogs as a mascot. LOL

(04-19-2013 02:53 PM)eagleriffic Wrote:  A few years ago a small group wanted to combine Jackson St, Alcorn & Ms Valley St & you would have thought those ppl had committed high treason. The jsu prez got oustd for saying it was a good idea if i remember right.

So imagine the outrage if um/msu/usm combo would have. Although i do like the golden reble dogs as a mascot. LOL

I remember that deal. Yep... it was ugly.

My act scores may be off from what they were a few years back so dont bash me if im off by a number or two.

(04-19-2013 03:11 PM)eagleriffic Wrote:  My act scores may be off from what they were a few years back so dont bash me if im off by a number or two.

They looked right to me. Just remember most of this board will not be as familiar with that test as they will with the SAT. And most of them won't know how to convert the figures.

(04-19-2013 02:27 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  ...makes me wonder why so many posters here think that Ole Miss and MSU are academic junk.

Rankings are influential and they aren't kind to the state of Mississippi.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sippi-2440
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...rsity-2423

(04-19-2013 03:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 03:11 PM)eagleriffic Wrote:  My act scores may be off from what they were a few years back so dont bash me if im off by a number or two.

They looked right to me. Just remember most of this board will not be as familiar with that test as they will with the SAT. And most of them won't know how to convert the figures.

You're right. I actually have no idea how the ACT works. I took the SAT (when it was out of 1600). What would a 2130/2400 SAT score be on the ACT?