(04-22-2013 03:10 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 01:22 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 01:01 PM)jons99 Wrote:  Better than WVU and TT

That depends on what you want to study. The WVU School of Mines is the equal of any, including the Colorado School of Mines. The Neurological Sciences department at WVU's Medical School is on the leading edge of neurological research. One of the nation's top neurologists is at the WVU Medical School for his research, and practices at WVU's Medical Center. WVU's Engineering School isn't too shabby either...

Every school serves a mission, and the mission for WVU is to educate West Virginians. Sure WVU could elevate their academic stature by denying entrance to a bunch of students, many of whom would be in state students, like a lot of other schools do. But that's not WVU's mission. The mission for WVU isn't to become an academic giant. It's mission is to educate the people of the state, especially in industries important to the State of West Virginia. WVU serves its mission very well...

Bigger states, with more schools, can afford to have their flagship school be more selective in their student population. But in a small state with few resources, that path is closed to WVU. WVU would be unable to fulfill its mission by being more selective to join the elite. If you're to obtuse to understand that, that's your problem...

Absolutely correct. I said in another thread that all schools had something they did extremely well or a specialty that stood out. Missouri has Journalism, Harvard has Law, Duke has Medicine, etc. In the AAU academic arguments that are posted all the time, I said you didn't have to be AAU to bring good things to the B1G or anyone else, for that matter... WVU has programs that are first rate and I am sure TT has some too. Also, you don't have to be a huge school to be a good school. Many of our very best institutions' names end with "college", and not "university".

You're 100% correct. However, I think that it's funny that you give Harvard the nod for law (Harvard is #2 in law). Normally being #2 is quite an accomplishment and sufficient to say that that program is the school's strength, but, with Harvard, you could guess and hit something better a good amount of the time (i.e. they are #1 in business, #1 in med [research], etc.).

None the less, nit-picking aside, your point is 100% correct and rankings aren't the alpha-omega of academic life. I just thought that it was funny.

(04-22-2013 05:13 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Poor JML! You always start the **** talking and then cry when you get owned by the facts!

You keep deflecting any way you can but you just can't escape the truth!

I know realignment has been hard on the red raider ego. You all allowed yourselves to believe you were as valuable as UT and A&M are and it made you feel so good!

But then realignment slapped you back to reality!

UT and A&M leveraged their value into options and deals while little worthless tech was told to sit down, shut up and do as they were told and speak only when spoken to!

You have no value to any conference, not even the one you are in except as a bargaining chip to get UT, the school they really want.

Can't wait to hear your next pathetic deflection. I can keep this up forever because there is simply no way you'll ever convince anyone other your fellow techies that Tech has more value than A&M

Damn, I made 10th mad. I never said Tech was bigger than A&M. A&M has been around 50 more years than Tech and had time to build a nice( delusional and arrogant) fan base. What I have said and will continue saying is that A&M isn't as big and important as aggies and their t-shirt fans would have you believe.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but even the Ft. Worth/Tarrant County aggy club agrees with me.

http://www.tarrantcountyaggies.org/article.html?aid=169

Quote:Sources have indicated that a study was commissioned last year to evaluate the current value of the Texas A&M brand, and the results were quite startling. Despite a well-recognized brand within the state of Texas, outside the region very little was known about the university’s established research capabilities and scholastic reputation within academia. In fact, the results suggested that few respondents outside the state could differentiate Texas A&M from other Texas institutions, and that Texas A&M needed to find a vehicle to improve visibility across the nation and enhance the value of the university’s brand.

Ouch. As for Tech we will be fine. We are the nations 29th largest fan supported University in the 2nd most populated state. We will not be left behind no matter what you think. As for sitting down and shutting up, not going to happen. We told UT no dice on the LHN. We also said we would like to play the aggies in all sports on equal terms which goes against Deloss Dodds theory on blackballing the aggies. If aggy doesn't want it no sweat off my back. I'll be quite content if I never have to witness the "traditions" of aggyland again.

(04-22-2013 01:22 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 01:01 PM)jons99 Wrote:  Better than WVU and TT

That depends on what you want to study. The WVU School of Mines is the equal of any, including the Colorado School of Mines. The Neurological Sciences department at WVU's Medical School is on the leading edge of neurological research. One of the nation's top neurologists is at the WVU Medical School for his research, and practices at WVU's Medical Center. WVU's Engineering School isn't too shabby either...

Every school serves a mission, and the mission for WVU is to educate West Virginians. Sure WVU could elevate their academic stature by denying entrance to a bunch of students, many of whom would be in state students, like a lot of other schools do. But that's not WVU's mission. The mission for WVU isn't to become an academic giant. It's mission is to educate the people of the state, especially in industries important to the State of West Virginia. WVU serves its mission very well...

Bigger states, with more schools, can afford to have their flagship school be more selective in their student population. But in a small state with few resources, that path is closed to WVU. WVU would be unable to fulfill its mission by being more selective to join the elite. If you're to obtuse to understand that, that's your problem...

Spot on post.

South Carolina is in some respects in the same situation. We are charged with serving and educating the people of the state. Despite the fact that we offer far more programs and do far more research than Clemson, Clemson is regarded as a "better" because they are more selective than South Carolina. All they do is take a few thousand less students which keeps arbitrary metrics like average SAT scores high.

(04-22-2013 07:55 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  No way Tech has a bigger name brand than aTm. Not a flame or an insult to TTU either. You guys have accomplished a lot for being based out of Lubbock. I've made single hole truck stop jokes in the past about TTU, but you guys are worthy opponents. But sorry, you're not as big as aTm. You can pull biased numbers out and aTm fans can do likewise. aTm is a much bigger footprint and name brand. Once again, no insult intended.

As usual, 10th is putting words in my mouth. I never claimed Tech was bigger than A&M. As I mentioned in my previous post, A&M is big and has a ton of fans but they aren't as big and prestigious as aggies would have you believe.

In fact, it wasn't that long ago when Kyle Field had very few sell outs and their average attendance was in the 70K's. Manziel is gone after this season and Sumlin won't be far behind him. After a few losing seasons in the brutal SEC, the luster will wear off and aggy fans will grow tired of getting pounded each week.

(04-22-2013 08:11 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 03:10 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 01:22 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 01:01 PM)jons99 Wrote:  Better than WVU and TT

That depends on what you want to study. The WVU School of Mines is the equal of any, including the Colorado School of Mines. The Neurological Sciences department at WVU's Medical School is on the leading edge of neurological research. One of the nation's top neurologists is at the WVU Medical School for his research, and practices at WVU's Medical Center. WVU's Engineering School isn't too shabby either...

Every school serves a mission, and the mission for WVU is to educate West Virginians. Sure WVU could elevate their academic stature by denying entrance to a bunch of students, many of whom would be in state students, like a lot of other schools do. But that's not WVU's mission. The mission for WVU isn't to become an academic giant. It's mission is to educate the people of the state, especially in industries important to the State of West Virginia. WVU serves its mission very well...

Bigger states, with more schools, can afford to have their flagship school be more selective in their student population. But in a small state with few resources, that path is closed to WVU. WVU would be unable to fulfill its mission by being more selective to join the elite. If you're to obtuse to understand that, that's your problem...

Absolutely correct. I said in another thread that all schools had something they did extremely well or a specialty that stood out. Missouri has Journalism, Harvard has Law, Duke has Medicine, etc. In the AAU academic arguments that are posted all the time, I said you didn't have to be AAU to bring good things to the B1G or anyone else, for that matter... WVU has programs that are first rate and I am sure TT has some too. Also, you don't have to be a huge school to be a good school. Many of our very best institutions' names end with "college", and not "university".

You're 100% correct. However, I think that it's funny that you give Harvard the nod for law (Harvard is #2 in law). Normally being #2 is quite an accomplishment and sufficient to say that that program is the school's strength, but, with Harvard, you could guess and hit something better a good amount of the time (i.e. they are #1 in business, #1 in med [research], etc.).

None the less, nit-picking aside, your point is 100% correct and rankings aren't the alpha-omega of academic life. I just thought that it was funny.

True. Just thought of Harvard Law School off the top of my head. You are right though. They are very very good at several things.

Poor JML

He can't even bring himself to utter that A&M is bigger and better than Tech.

"Tech is bigger than Tech" lol wut?

But Im glad you are acknowledging the painfully obvious: That A&M has far more fans, more prestige (both athletic and academic) and more value to conferences than little irrelevant, "please take us with you because nobody wants us" Tech

(04-23-2013 07:35 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Poor JML

He can't even bring himself to utter that A&M is bigger and better than Tech.

"Tech is bigger than Tech" lol wut?

But Im glad you are acknowledging the painfully obvious: That A&M has far more fans, more prestige (both athletic and academic) and more value to conferences than little irrelevant, "please take us with you because nobody wants us" Tech

You know, this is a 2 way street, dude. If you'd quit taking shots at jml, perhaps he quit taking shots at you...

For any fight to cease, somebody has to stop throwing blows...

(04-23-2013 11:29 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:35 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Poor JML

He can't even bring himself to utter that A&M is bigger and better than Tech.

"Tech is bigger than Tech" lol wut?

But Im glad you are acknowledging the painfully obvious: That A&M has far more fans, more prestige (both athletic and academic) and more value to conferences than little irrelevant, "please take us with you because nobody wants us" Tech

You know, this is a 2 way street, dude. If you'd quit taking shots at jml, perhaps he quit taking shots at you...

For any fight to cease, somebody has to stop throwing blows...

I guess if all of our passions and loyalties continue to run this deep. CFB will be with us for the foreseable future... Go in peace...