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RE: Outgoing UNC chanc Holden Thorp; AD, not Presidents, should run college sports
(04-22-2013 07:11 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(04-21-2013 08:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Check your facts.
I said the "good ones". They're out there. No need to throw out the baby with the bath water.
The good ones are few and far between, and probably make up less than 10% of all churches. I'm giving benefit of the doubt with that estimate too. The figure is more likely less than 5%...

Within 5 miles of where I live there are 4 HUGE brand new churches. They all have private schools and day cares, to bring in even more income, and opulent chapels for their congregations. I also see very little charitable work coming out of any of 'em. The most charitable church in my area is this little old Methodist church about a mile away. I've given them old clothes and food for them to donate to the poor and homeless in the area, even though I'm not a member. They hold a charitable drive about once a month, and their congregation has even helped with the Turkish Cultural Center's annual Share the Wish charity drive. I see nothing like that coming from any of the newer churches...
04-22-2013 09:15 AM
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RE: Outgoing UNC chanc Holden Thorp; AD, not Presidents, should run college sports
How did this turn into a tax issue?

When non-profits have divisions that turn a profit, they're required to break those branches away from the non-profit parts. That happened to my wife's company a few years before she got hired. They ran a materials testing lab that got too much business from Fortune 500 companies, so the university was forced to spin it off into a private company (they sold it to the head of the lab).

Tax-wise, most schools should be forced to spin off football at this point. The exceptions are Notre Dame and Vandy (I think), who don't have athletics as a separate division and assign budgets to each department regardless of how much revenue they generate.

Churches who run profitable day-care or rec facilities should be forced to do the same. But most churches that I've been a part of actually lose money due to doing too much local-level charity. They are subsidized by the diocese, which gets large bulk contributions from wealthy parties (the biggest donor to the Archdiocese of Cincinnati, oddly enough, isn't even Catholic)
04-22-2013 09:30 AM
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RE: Outgoing UNC chanc Holden Thorp; AD, not Presidents, should run college sports
(04-22-2013 09:15 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(04-22-2013 07:11 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(04-21-2013 08:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Check your facts.
I said the "good ones". They're out there. No need to throw out the baby with the bath water.
The good ones are few and far between, and probably make up less than 10% of all churches. I'm giving benefit of the doubt with that estimate too. The figure is more likely less than 5%...

Within 5 miles of where I live there are 4 HUGE brand new churches. They all have private schools and day cares, to bring in even more income, and opulent chapels for their congregations. I also see very little charitable work coming out of any of 'em. The most charitable church in my area is this little old Methodist church about a mile away. I've given them old clothes and food for them to donate to the poor and homeless in the area, even though I'm not a member. They hold a charitable drive about once a month, and their congregation has even helped with the Turkish Cultural Center's annual Share the Wish charity drive. I see nothing like that coming from any of the newer churches...

Bit, just because you don't see their charitable works doesn't mean that they aren't doing them. If they're good Christians (not saying that they are, but if they are), then they're actually duty-bound to not brag about their charity.
04-22-2013 09:32 AM
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RE: Outgoing UNC chanc Holden Thorp; AD, not Presidents, should run college sports
(04-21-2013 09:28 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  This might make it easier for an AD at UNC and NCS to make a move, iyam.

"Outgoing North Carolina chancellor Holden Thorp said Friday that presidents are often ill-equipped to run big-time sports programs and should give more control to their athletic directors.

Speaking during a campus forum about balancing athletics and academics, Thorp said the "presidential-control idea has sort of gotten away from us" and that the model hasn't prevented corruption or the money-driven culture of college sports.

"Either we put the ADs back in charge and hold them accountable if things don't work," Thorp said, "... or let's be honest and tell everyone when we select them to run institutions that run big-time sports that athletics is the most important part of their job."


http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ot-working

This is asinine. Out of every department in a university, the AD's office is the most visible and is the most tied to the university's public image. In addition, it has the most potential for corruption.

Presidents should keep a tighter leash on ADs than any other department head. Yet too often we see the reverse is true: the AD or football coach often has their own little fiefdom.
04-22-2013 09:38 AM
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I don't see how this makes a move by UNC or NCSU any easier. Both have their own BoT to convince as well as the UNC (system) Board of Governors.

I agree with Mr. Thorp on one thing - you should not be hired as the president of a university with major athletics programs if you don't have the experience to fulfill all of the responsibilities of that job. Texas (random example) would not hire a president with little academic experience. Why would they hire a president without the experience to run an athletics program?

ADs should be responsible for competition related issues. Overall responsibility should remain with the president. Lack of involvement by the presidents is what led to these issues. You can't just put it on auto-pilot and hope nothing bad happens.
04-22-2013 11:51 AM
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RE: Outgoing UNC chanc Holden Thorp; AD, not Presidents, should run college sports
(04-21-2013 09:28 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  This might make it easier for an AD at UNC and NCS to make a move, iyam.

"Outgoing North Carolina chancellor Holden Thorp said Friday that presidents are often ill-equipped to run big-time sports programs and should give more control to their athletic directors.

Seems like a convenient way to make sure future Chapel Hill athletic and academic scandals remain out of the public eye. AD's should always have someone in which to be accountable.
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