This might make it easier for an AD at UNC and NCS to make a move, iyam.

"Outgoing North Carolina chancellor Holden Thorp said Friday that presidents are often ill-equipped to run big-time sports programs and should give more control to their athletic directors.

Speaking during a campus forum about balancing athletics and academics, Thorp said the "presidential-control idea has sort of gotten away from us" and that the model hasn't prevented corruption or the money-driven culture of college sports.

"Either we put the ADs back in charge and hold them accountable if things don't work," Thorp said, "... or let's be honest and tell everyone when we select them to run institutions that run big-time sports that athletics is the most important part of their job."


http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ot-working

A whole lot of smoke coming out of UNC these days.

Wonder how long it will take for the Tarheel Cartel that is present on this forum to show up and tell us it means nothing.


Note to the OP: You might want to shorten your title by three characters.

That will be the day that College Team Sports start, paying federal income taxes.

(04-21-2013 11:49 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  That will be the day that College Team Sports start, paying federal income taxes.

What??? This is talking about a shift in who is in charge. How does THIS happening mean colleges start paying federal income taxes?

All this would be is Delegation. I see people talk about the Federal Government changing the status of these schools in so many threads and generally speaking I can see why someone would think such despite their thinking being faulty but this.....seriously?

Senator: "You know, we were fine when Schools moved conferences in order to earn millions more in dollars but when you guys delegated some authority from the President down to the Athletic Director...you went too far!!"

Just silly...

(04-21-2013 10:29 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  A whole lot of smoke coming out of UNC these days.

Wonder how long it will take for the Tarheel Cartel that is present on this forum to show up and tell us it means nothing.


Note to the OP: You might want to shorten your title by three characters.

Not long.....It means nothing!

I'm sure that you want to take note that the President of the AAU (of which UNC is a member) and Jim Delany (UNC alumni and commissioner of the B1G) were participating in the forum.

(04-21-2013 12:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 10:29 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  A whole lot of smoke coming out of UNC these days.

Wonder how long it will take for the Tarheel Cartel that is present on this forum to show up and tell us it means nothing.


Note to the OP: You might want to shorten your title by three characters.

Not long.....It means nothing!

I'm sure that you want to take note that the President of the AAU (of which UNC is a member) and Jim Delany (UNC alumni and commissioner of the B1G) were participating in the forum.

Actually if you want to pick out lines from the article to share, I think this quote is even more important.

Quote:"I'm saying a lot more today than I would say if I wasn't going to Division III to be a provost," Thorp said. "My successor will be here soon and she will not want to say anything that makes the NCAA upset or cause the fan base to start an email campaign to the board (of trustees), which shouldn't work but it does. But hopefully my saying these things will make it easier for her."

The fact that Delany was there and the writer felt the need to state that is very interesting. The fact that the President of the AAU was there as well is even more intriguing to me but I would have to know more about the totality of what was spoken on at the forum to be able to better judge that.

This has nothing to do with this topic or thread, but I think that all universities and churches should pay taxes.

Neither group of entities are "non-profit" organizations. I don't think that taxing churches violates the First Amendment.

Chances of either happening? What is the temperature of absolute zero? -274 degrees? That much of a chance.

(04-21-2013 01:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 12:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 10:29 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  A whole lot of smoke coming out of UNC these days.

Wonder how long it will take for the Tarheel Cartel that is present on this forum to show up and tell us it means nothing.


Note to the OP: You might want to shorten your title by three characters.

Not long.....It means nothing!

I'm sure that you want to take note that the President of the AAU (of which UNC is a member) and Jim Delany (UNC alumni and commissioner of the B1G) were participating in the forum.

Actually if you want to pick out lines from the article to share, I think this quote is even more important.

Quote:"I'm saying a lot more today than I would say if I wasn't going to Division III to be a provost," Thorp said. "My successor will be here soon and she will not want to say anything that makes the NCAA upset or cause the fan base to start an email campaign to the board (of trustees), which shouldn't work but it does. But hopefully my saying these things will make it easier for her."

The fact that Delany was there and the writer felt the need to state that is very interesting. The fact that the President of the AAU was there as well is even more intriguing to me but I would have to know more about the totality of what was spoken on at the forum to be able to better judge that.

Yep, especially the last line. Easier for her to let an AD make a decision that could cause "the fan base to start an email campaign to the board (of trustees)". Wow!

(04-21-2013 01:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 12:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 10:29 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  A whole lot of smoke coming out of UNC these days.

Wonder how long it will take for the Tarheel Cartel that is present on this forum to show up and tell us it means nothing.


Note to the OP: You might want to shorten your title by three characters.

Not long.....It means nothing!

I'm sure that you want to take note that the President of the AAU (of which UNC is a member) and Jim Delany (UNC alumni and commissioner of the B1G) were participating in the forum.

Actually if you want to pick out lines from the article to share, I think this quote is even more important.

Quote:"I'm saying a lot more today than I would say if I wasn't going to Division III to be a provost," Thorp said. "My successor will be here soon and she will not want to say anything that makes the NCAA upset or cause the fan base to start an email campaign to the board (of trustees), which shouldn't work but it does. But hopefully my saying these things will make it easier for her."

The fact that Delany was there and the writer felt the need to state that is very interesting. The fact that the President of the AAU was there as well is even more intriguing to me but I would have to know more about the totality of what was spoken on at the forum to be able to better judge that.

Delany was part of the panel.
The AAU president was part of the panel too.
When we have a panel.....we don't mess around (except Jay Bilas ((dookie)) was allowed to participate.)

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/uncnow/unc...un-athleti

http://www.news-record.com/home/1092638-...s-off-with

(04-21-2013 02:22 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  Yep, especially the last line. Easier for her to let an AD make a decision that could cause "the fan base to start an email campaign to the board (of trustees)...! Wow!

Educators love answering to their boards on matters that matter not..

And to all of those "substantial donors" out there that will cut ties at that first wrong move.

(04-21-2013 02:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This has nothing to do with this topic or thread, but I think that all universities and churches should pay taxes.

South Bend just called... They want to know how much gold is in the dome.

(04-21-2013 02:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 01:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 12:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 10:29 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  A whole lot of smoke coming out of UNC these days.

Wonder how long it will take for the Tarheel Cartel that is present on this forum to show up and tell us it means nothing.


Note to the OP: You might want to shorten your title by three characters.

Not long.....It means nothing!

I'm sure that you want to take note that the President of the AAU (of which UNC is a member) and Jim Delany (UNC alumni and commissioner of the B1G) were participating in the forum.

Actually if you want to pick out lines from the article to share, I think this quote is even more important.

Quote:"I'm saying a lot more today than I would say if I wasn't going to Division III to be a provost," Thorp said. "My successor will be here soon and she will not want to say anything that makes the NCAA upset or cause the fan base to start an email campaign to the board (of trustees), which shouldn't work but it does. But hopefully my saying these things will make it easier for her."

The fact that Delany was there and the writer felt the need to state that is very interesting. The fact that the President of the AAU was there as well is even more intriguing to me but I would have to know more about the totality of what was spoken on at the forum to be able to better judge that.

Delany was part of the panel.
The AAU president was part of the panel too.
When we have a panel.....we don't mess around (except Jay Bilas ((dookie)) was allowed to participate.)

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/uncnow/unc...un-athleti

http://www.news-record.com/home/1092638-...s-off-with

Thank you for the links. I found the second one to be extremely helpful. That truly was an impressive panel. I thought perhaps with the President of the AAU heading up the panel that it might not be directed mainly at athletics but I was wrong. Very interesting that he was heading it up and that Delany was invited to be there. I know he is a UNC grad and all but come on....

Of course it doesn't mean there will be movement but this does show that the folks at UNC are not just sitting on their hindquarters comfortable with how things are going for them currently.

It does perplex me to a degree to see the President of the AAU leading that panel. I know these athletes are student athletes so it does fall under the realm of Academics but for him to lead the panel? Don't know what it means but it is very interesting.

I truly wish I was there to sit in and listen. Thanks again.

(04-21-2013 02:46 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 02:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This has nothing to do with this topic or thread, but I think that all universities and churches should pay taxes.

South Bend just called... They want to know how much gold is in the dome.

Fine by me. I didn't stutter. No exemption or exceptions.

I think that all churches should be taxed.

(04-21-2013 03:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that all churches should be taxed.

It's just better if the two stay out of each other's business.

If nothing else, the good churches are doing a much better job than governments at redistributing wealth and caring for those that need a something more than government handouts. It would be counter-productive to drive churches out of the cities to where taxes are lower.

(04-21-2013 03:36 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 03:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that all churches should be taxed.

It's just better if the two stay out of each other's business.

If nothing else, the good churches are doing a much better job than governments at redistributing wealth and caring for those that need a something more than government handouts. It would be counter-productive to drive churches out of the cities to where taxes are lower.

Wow. Sanity. +2

(04-21-2013 09:28 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  This might make it easier for an AD at UNC and NCS to make a move, iyam.

"Outgoing North Carolina chancellor Holden Thorp said Friday that presidents are often ill-equipped to run big-time sports programs and should give more control to their athletic directors.

Speaking during a campus forum about balancing athletics and academics, Thorp said the "presidential-control idea has sort of gotten away from us" and that the model hasn't prevented corruption or the money-driven culture of college sports.

"Either we put the ADs back in charge and hold them accountable if things don't work," Thorp said, "... or let's be honest and tell everyone when we select them to run institutions that run big-time sports that athletics is the most important part of their job."


http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ot-working

UPDATE
Here is a USA Today article discussing the role of Presidents and a lot more, including the Power 5 splitting off in football and basketball.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...t/2097115/

Said it before and will say it again. The usage of threats of leaving the NCAA are the best tool the Majors have in order to leverage the rest of the NCAA into caving in to their demands. We very likely will see a ramping up of talk about separating from the NCAA but as the official from Oklahoma says in that piece, the talk of separating from the NCAA is much easier to do than the actual action would be.

The media campaign has begun.

(04-21-2013 03:36 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 03:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that all churches should be taxed.

It's just better if the two stay out of each other's business.

If nothing else, the good churches are doing a much better job than governments at redistributing wealth and caring for those that need a something more than government handouts. It would be counter-productive to drive churches out of the cities to where taxes are lower.

Check your facts. In the average protestant church less than 3 cents out of every dollar actually reaches a person in need. Most of the money goes into the building and grounds, staff, staff insurance, staff retirement, administrative costs within the denomination (pick one any one) and even the money designated for helping the poor or overseas mission will actually wind up in the pocket of a clergy of that denomination who has been selected to head up the bureaucracy of that aspect of ministry. He/she will then need a housing allowance, retirement, insurance, and a salary. It is a structure of the clergy, by the clergy and for the clergy. The pie charts given out to the laity will have nice percentages shown going to the charity, home or foreign missions, etc. but those pieces of the pie are reduced to about nothing when you actually find out what that set aside money goes to within that category. It's just like with everything else in life, if you want to know the truth you have to dig much deeper than just the brochure. The Catholic church does a little better, but not a lot.

If you want to help a homeless person, a widow, an orphan, the hungry, the sick, the prisoners, or the stranger who is in our land then you better do the real Christian thing and do it yourself. It is the only way to be sure the money gets to where it needs to go.

I might add that I whole heartedly support Terry D's proposition. If churches actually had to pay taxes they would contribute a vastly larger percentage of their revenue to the actual charities. Tax exemption actually has been the free pass that turned what once was one of the greatest social outreach mechanisms in our communities and country into self serving corporately run entities.

(04-21-2013 08:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Check your facts.

I said the "good ones". They're out there. No need to throw out the baby with the bath water.

(04-21-2013 03:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 02:46 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 02:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This has nothing to do with this topic or thread, but I think that all universities and churches should pay taxes.

South Bend just called... They want to know how much gold is in the dome.

Fine by me. I didn't stutter. No exemption or exceptions.

I think that all churches should be taxed.

Donations to a church should not be taxed. It was given by people that have already paid income tax on that money.