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What about another new conference?
Fwiw, talking with someone I know within the Missouri State athletics department about all this conference realignment stuff. He said the same things regarding us in that he doesn't believe we move up until 2018 (same 5 year tome frame our AD has tossed around), but he tossed out the thought that he feels it's very likely that another new conference would be formed... Something like a hybrid of MAC, MVC , and Sun Belt schools.

Has this ever been discussed? Is it even possible?

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RE: What about another new conference?
Most, if not all, of the MVC schools that play football want to move up to the FBS, I think that it would be good and helps since the number of conferences is shrinking.
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RE: What about another new conference?
Without a change to the NCAA rules, a new FBS conference is not possible. Given the FBS conferences' stranglehold on the Board of Directors and various committees, I don't think there's any way they would let a new conference in the club, either.
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RE: What about another new conference?
Existing FBS schools in the MAC and Sun Belt and CUSA can break away from their current conferences and form another FBS conference. The problem though is that the NCAA won't recognize the new conference with autobids for 7-8 years. The FBS playoff system, however, could recognize the new conference.

The other option is for FBS schools wanting to form a "new" conference is to join the WAC en masse. The WAC retains the right to again become an FBS conference and to elevate FCS schools to FBS under current NCAA bylaws.
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RE: What about another new conference?
Everyone associated with football has questioned at one time or another whether the alignment of conferences was optimal. There are still people who think as could be seen with the Indiana State article that the G5 leagues will be heading to a division with the FCS soon, regardless of a new 12 year playoff contract in place. That is why conference realignment is a never ending debate.

IMO, the biggest alignment issue today in the G5 is CUSA/SBC overlap. This is mostly the fault of CUSA trying without success to stamp out the SBC instead of trying to build a more regional conference.

CUSA West: UTEP, UTSA, Rice, UNT, LaTech, USM, UAB
CUSA East: WKU, MTSU, Marshall, Charlotte, ODU, FAU, FIU

SBC West: Idaho, NMSU, Texas St, Ark St, ULL, ULM
SBC East: Troy, USA, Georgia St, Geo South, App State

CUSA should have kept its reloading to the West...

CUSA West: NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Rice, UNT, LaTech
CUSA East: USM, UAB, Ark St, WKU, MTSU, Marshall

SBC West: Idaho, Texas St, ULL, ULM, Troy, USA
SBC East: Georgia St, Geo South, App State, ODU, FAU, FIU

CUSA in this case is still overlapping the SBC in a few states but its not nearly the extreme duplication that you have today.
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RE: What about another new conference?
(04-21-2013 08:22 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Existing FBS schools in the MAC and Sun Belt and CUSA can break away from their current conferences and form another FBS conference. The problem though is that the NCAA won't recognize the new conference with autobids for 7-8 years. The FBS playoff system, however, could recognize the new conference.

The other option is for FBS schools wanting to form a "new" conference is to join the WAC en masse. The WAC retains the right to again become an FBS conference and to elevate FCS schools to FBS under current NCAA bylaws.

The real problem I think is more about what to do about the other sports the NCAA recognizes.

Let's take the example of the MAC. 12 all sport members and affiliates in other sports. If six schools decide to leave they would be able to retain an autobid. What does it do for travel costs to Olympic sports though? Any marginal gains in football revenue will be eaten by travel costs.

If there was going to be a break away league the most viable option would be a new SWC.

SWC: NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, TXSt, Rice, La Tech, ULL, Ark St, USM

That group might be strong enough with 40,000 seat stadiums to warrant a breakaway. A league that could contend directly with the MWC and AAC in picking up a G5 access bowl. There has to be a major advantage to doing so for it to happen. A 10 team southwest FBS league would be pretty strong, IMO.

That would leave CUSA at 8 schools and the SBC at 7. CUSA could then add App St, Georgia St, GS and Troy to effectively put the SBC out of business.
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RE: What about another new conference?
Actually a new FBS league would be welcomed. The WAC is about to lose their permanent seat on the Board of Directors by no longer being FBS and there is a MAJOR debate going on. Does the WAC seat go away or do they find someone else to fill it. Non-football leagues are pushing for that seat to be awarded to the non-football leagues to select one of their own to fill it. The FCS schools want it to become an FCS seat.

To make it happen though, it would likely require that 8 schools start that are already FBS.
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What about another new conference?
Even if the WAC restarted FBS play or a new FBS league formed, would there be access to any playoff money? I doubt there's an extra 8-12 million dollars to accommodate a new conference, unless if current FBS leagues agree not to replace members they lose. Perhaps nothing happens until the end of the current contract in 2025.
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RE: What about another new conference?
(04-21-2013 07:45 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  Most, if not all, of the MVC schools that play football want to move up to the FBS, I think that it would be good and helps since the number of conferences is shrinking.

Don't think that's true. There's a story on here about Indiana State saying they aren't thinking about it now. Southern Illinois has said it doesn't make sense for them. Illinois State and Youngstown State are the only ones who I have heard definitely say they want to move up. Illinois State isn't ready and the MAC doesn't want another team in NE Ohio. WIU certainly wouldn't and I don't think its clear if Missouri State wants to or not. The Dakota schools are barely out of Division II. Northern Iowa has always expressed ambivalence at best in the past.
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RE: What about another new conference?
(04-21-2013 10:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-21-2013 07:45 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  Most, if not all, of the MVC schools that play football want to move up to the FBS, I think that it would be good and helps since the number of conferences is shrinking.

Don't think that's true. There's a story on here about Indiana State saying they aren't thinking about it now. Southern Illinois has said it doesn't make sense for them. Illinois State and Youngstown State are the only ones who I have heard definitely say they want to move up. Illinois State isn't ready and the MAC doesn't want another team in NE Ohio. WIU certainly wouldn't and I don't think its clear if Missouri State wants to or not. The Dakota schools are barely out of Division II. Northern Iowa has always expressed ambivalence at best in the past.

MVC, not MVFC. There is at least one example of each school saying that they want to.
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