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(04-22-2013 10:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  The expansion of the tourney has even hurt the conference tournaments. In a 12 team major conference typically 1/3 are a lock in the NCAA, 1/3 are out and have no realistic shot of winning the conference tourney and 1/3 are NCAA bubble or out but with a shot at winning the tourney. So the conference tourneys only matter to the middle 1/3.

Until the expansion of the NCAA tournament, only the ACC and SoCon even held conference tournaments. So, it is not reasonable to say that expansion of the NCAA tournament has hurt conference tournaments. The Big 8, Big Ten, Pac 10, and SEC did not add conference tournaments until the tournament was expanded.

For sure, before the NCAA expanded to 32 and allowed more than one school per conference into the tournament, the regular season was life or death for schools playing in conferences. This is one reason that so many schools remained independent in that time frame. Before the expansion of the tournament, more than a third of college basketball teams were independent.

Keep in mind that with so many worthy schools omitted from the NCAA tournament, the quality of the tournament itself was compromised. There were many top ten and even some top five schools omitted from NCAA's before it expanded, hurting the credibility of the championship.

Despite the fact that regular season conference championships are no longer the exclusive road to the NCAA tournament, regular season college basketball remains more intense than many pro sport regular seasons. In part, this is because winning a conference championship is an important goal in and of itself. Also, many college rivalries are intense and played only once per year.

Finally, at the same time the NCAA tournament has expanded, the availability of games on cable has expanded exponentially. At one time, making an appearance on TV was a big deal. Now, virtually every game is on, allowing fans to focus on their own teams games, but reducing interest in national games until tournament time. This has nothing to do with the NCAA's, and everything to do with TV.
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It's a bit more nuanced than what the OP is suggesting.

Is the NCAA Tournament alone what has caused diminished interest in the regular season? Not necessarily, but it's a contributing factor. Any TV executive would tell you that MLB, NBA and NHL regular season games have absolutely become commodities compared to those leagues' respective postseasons at the national. Virtually all of the value in those national pro sports contracts is driven by postseason games with the regular season games being largely filler. There are ways for regular season games to be valued highly on a regional basis (largely through regional cable networks), but they're now worth very little on a national level.

Football (both pro and college) by the nature of its once-per-week limited regular season schedule is different. The NFL playoffs don't hurt the NFL regular season because there is still a feeling that every game from week 1 is extremely important in the standings. Simple math says that each NFL regular season game against a divisional opponent is important and that even 2 losses in a row can be dangerous to a team's overall season. The stakes are truly high for each NFL regular season game and the TV ratings reflect that (whereas that's not the case for MLB, NBA and NHL regular season games).

The NFL has a great (and maybe perfect) balance: (1) a lengthy enough regular season to weed out the contenders from the pretenders BUT not too long of a regular season where the viewer legitimately believes that there are high stakes every week and (2) a large enough number of playoff participants to keep a large number teams mathematically in the playoff race late into the season BUT not too many participants where it dilutes the impact of regular season victories and losses. MLB (and to a lesser extent, the NBA and NHL) suffer from #1 where the regular season is too long, while the NBA, NHL and college basketball definitely suffer from #2 (where too many playoff participants really dilute the value of regular season games).

The college football regular season would probably still do pretty well with an 8-team playoff (e.g. the 5 power conference champs plus 3 at-large teams). I don't think it would be great going beyond that in an NCAA Tournament-style fashion of letting every conference champ getting an auto-bid. Basketball is inherently a different sport than football, where having a #1 seed spending one game playing a #16 seed in hoops is not a very big deal compared to having the #1-ranked football team having to spend an entire week preparing for and risking injury in a "playoff" game that looks like an early-September guarantee game. Football is a particularly high-risk sport (especially considering that it's being played on the backs of college athletes aren't even getting paid any of the riches being made off of them), so a playoff needs to be the best of the best without any frivolity for the equivalent of the NCAA Tournament's #16 seeds. 3 weeks of college football playoffs is probably the max that would (a) avoid dilution of the regular season and (b) not physically tax student athletes any further than they should (which is already happening even in this new playoff system).
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(04-22-2013 10:46 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(04-22-2013 10:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  The expansion of the tourney has even hurt the conference tournaments. In a 12 team major conference typically 1/3 are a lock in the NCAA, 1/3 are out and have no realistic shot of winning the conference tourney and 1/3 are NCAA bubble or out but with a shot at winning the tourney. So the conference tourneys only matter to the middle 1/3.

Until the expansion of the NCAA tournament, only the ACC and SoCon even held conference tournaments. So, it is not reasonable to say that expansion of the NCAA tournament has hurt conference tournaments. The Big 8, Big Ten, Pac 10, and SEC did not add conference tournaments until the tournament was expanded.

For sure, before the NCAA expanded to 32 and allowed more than one school per conference into the tournament, the regular season was life or death for schools playing in conferences. This is one reason that so many schools remained independent in that time frame. Before the expansion of the tournament, more than a third of college basketball teams were independent.

Keep in mind that with so many worthy schools omitted from the NCAA tournament, the quality of the tournament itself was compromised. There were many top ten and even some top five schools omitted from NCAA's before it expanded, hurting the credibility of the championship.

Despite the fact that regular season conference championships are no longer the exclusive road to the NCAA tournament, regular season college basketball remains more intense than many pro sport regular seasons. In part, this is because winning a conference championship is an important goal in and of itself. Also, many college rivalries are intense and played only once per year.

Finally, at the same time the NCAA tournament has expanded, the availability of games on cable has expanded exponentially. At one time, making an appearance on TV was a big deal. Now, virtually every game is on, allowing fans to focus on their own teams games, but reducing interest in national games until tournament time. This has nothing to do with the NCAA's, and everything to do with TV.

Until 1975 only one team per conference was allowed in the tournament. Under that environment, few would risk their best team not going by having a conference tournament and competing for a spot as an independent wasn't a bad deal when many of the best teams were barred from the tournament by finishing out of first place. Even then leagues were capped at 2 teams.

South Carolina went 14-0 in the ACC lost in the ACC Tournament and stayed home. They went independent a year later.

Southern Cal in 1971 was #2 in the nation and stayed home because #1 UCLA won the Pac-8.
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(04-22-2013 08:35 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Remember, we are talking about a college system that is primarily regional (divided into conference) and they want national audiences. The difference between college basketball and football is that basketball makes itself regional and college football doesn't.

How is that any different than divisional play in pro sports? Also, teams that belong to a conference in basketball belong to that EXACT SAME CONFERENCE in football.

(04-22-2013 08:35 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  In football, a fan in Ohio has a reason to care about a game involving Oklahoma State and Iowa State on a Friday night because it can directly effect the national championship (I payed attention to such a game when Oklahoma State was #1). In basketball, a #1 vs. #2 game in the regular season effects almost nothing so a lot fewer people watch.

Again, think about what you are saying for a second. Would nobody watch the Ravens/Broncos opening game match up because they are likely to each qualify for the postseason regardless of the outcome of that opening weekend game?

That argument does not hold water.

(04-22-2013 08:35 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Maybe it's primarily me, but for me a big playoff very much effects how I watch a sport in the regular season. Unless it's a Big Ten game, I couldn't care less about a #1 vs. #2 basketball game in the regular season. Why would I? It doesn't effect anything besides a tiny bit of seeding. I don't think I've watched even half of a regular season basketball game that did not involve a Big Ten team in a long time. I do watch a lot of Big Ten conference play though since I care about the standings.

So the best way to overcome such rampant provincialism and increase the sport's national appeal is to make the sport yet more exclsuive and more provincial? I have no idea how to even counter that nonsense.

(04-22-2013 08:35 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  In football I'll watch everything all season long. I enjoy basketball too, but for some reason, before conference play starts, I think about everything like kind of a preseason. I honestly don't even care that much about watching Ohio State outside of a big game or two before conference play because it doesn't feel like they are playing for anything. When it's a Big Ten game, even if the Buckeyes are out of it, at least I know that it's going down in the conference standings.

You are right about your criticism. College basketball teams do fatten up on too many cream puffs in their non-conference schedules. That is why I will always prefer pro sports to college sports - the competition is much more fair and interesting. However, I have to ask, how is that any different than all of these teams from power leagues spending their Septembers beating up on the Little Sisters of the Poor?

(04-22-2013 08:35 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  As for the other sports, I'd argue the big playoffs do effect them, but the difference is you are talking about nationwide leagues to start with as opposed to somewhat regional conferences. When you are talking 100+ teams, you have to have some stakes in games to get people on the other side of the continent to care in a way you don't with 30 teams in one or two leagues.

The BCS is every bit as national as the NFL or MLB. It's just more brazenly corrupt because too many college fans are okay with it being corrupt so long as said corruption favors their team - as you have vividly demonstrated above.

(04-22-2013 08:35 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  All the same, I have zero interest in the NBA or NHL regular seasons because of the huge playoffs. I watched a little basketball when the Heat were on the big winning streak, but otherwise could care less till we get to the playoff.

And why do most people watch teams like the Miami Heat? Because they either love LeBron James and Dwyane Wade or they love to watch those guys lose. That is what college basketball has lost and that has what has hurt its appeal - not the presence of a playoff.

(04-22-2013 08:35 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I do watch some baseball, but I'm not glued to the outcome because it's not that big a deal.

Except the Reds and/or Indians, right?

(04-22-2013 08:35 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  In the NFL, people love the season, but a lot of that is because of a) fantasy football and b) gambling which have become a big part of the sport. Maybe those sports wouldn't benefit from a small playoff, but again they are national leagues as opposed to a group of conferences of more than 100 teams.

Pro football was this nation's most popular sport long before fantasy football took over. Also, gambling is every bit as big a part of college football as it is pro football.

(04-22-2013 08:35 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  One other thing to think about with the NCAA Tournament. Which is bigger, the first weekend of the Final Four? It's an odd sport because it feels like the attention diminishes once we get to the Final Four instead of increasing.

Yeah, because nobody watches those games.

This argument is absolutely INSANE! It's about powerful leagues wanting to protect their money at all costs. I guess greed's cool but at least tell the truth instead of making up a bunch of obvious bullschitt as the powers that be have been doing for 30 years to avoid doing the right thing by the most fans.
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(04-22-2013 09:15 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Re: OP

Sorry Doc, but you're wrong. Just based on my personal preference, I haven't watched an NBA or NHL regular season game in years. Because the games don't matter at all. I watch CFB and MLB games all the time, because the regular season matters a lot. I find myself watching less and less regular season CBB every year because the games don't matter.

I don't think that I'm an aberration in this. There's some die-hards that will watch every single game no matter what, but they're a small minority. I'll point out the obvious that the die-hards are way overrepresented on this board in general, and on this thread in particular (which makes sense because die-hard fans are the ones who care enough to argue online about these sorts of things).

Oh, I'm wrong about multiple things several times every single day. I just don't happen to think that this is one of those times.
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(04-22-2013 10:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  It's a bit more nuanced than what the OP is suggesting.

Is the NCAA Tournament alone what has caused diminished interest in the regular season? Not necessarily, but it's a contributing factor. Any TV executive would tell you that MLB, NBA and NHL regular season games have absolutely become commodities compared to those leagues' respective postseasons at the national. Virtually all of the value in those national pro sports contracts is driven by postseason games with the regular season games being largely filler. There are ways for regular season games to be valued highly on a regional basis (largely through regional cable networks), but they're now worth very little on a national level.

Football (both pro and college) by the nature of its once-per-week limited regular season schedule is different. The NFL playoffs don't hurt the NFL regular season because there is still a feeling that every game from week 1 is extremely important in the standings. Simple math says that each NFL regular season game against a divisional opponent is important and that even 2 losses in a row can be dangerous to a team's overall season. The stakes are truly high for each NFL regular season game and the TV ratings reflect that (whereas that's not the case for MLB, NBA and NHL regular season games).

The NFL has a great (and maybe perfect) balance: (1) a lengthy enough regular season to weed out the contenders from the pretenders BUT not too long of a regular season where the viewer legitimately believes that there are high stakes every week and (2) a large enough number of playoff participants to keep a large number teams mathematically in the playoff race late into the season BUT not too many participants where it dilutes the impact of regular season victories and losses. MLB (and to a lesser extent, the NBA and NHL) suffer from #1 where the regular season is too long, while the NBA, NHL and college basketball definitely suffer from #2 (where too many playoff participants really dilute the value of regular season games).

The college football regular season would probably still do pretty well with an 8-team playoff (e.g. the 5 power conference champs plus 3 at-large teams). I don't think it would be great going beyond that in an NCAA Tournament-style fashion of letting every conference champ getting an auto-bid. Basketball is inherently a different sport than football, where having a #1 seed spending one game playing a #16 seed in hoops is not a very big deal compared to having the #1-ranked football team having to spend an entire week preparing for and risking injury in a "playoff" game that looks like an early-September guarantee game. Football is a particularly high-risk sport (especially considering that it's being played on the backs of college athletes aren't even getting paid any of the riches being made off of them), so a playoff needs to be the best of the best without any frivolity for the equivalent of the NCAA Tournament's #16 seeds. 3 weeks of college football playoffs is probably the max that would (a) avoid dilution of the regular season and (b) not physically tax student athletes any further than they should (which is already happening even in this new playoff system).

I suspect 8 will eventually be the number. Not only does it get harder to make "the case" that #9 could be the best compared to making the case for #5, the reality is that there is a decent probability that someone is going to go 12-0 or 13-0 with a resume that makes them difficult to pick for the field of four. In 2009, five schools finished the regular season undefeated. In 2008 Boise State finished undefeated but almost certainly would not have been in the top 4. Of course the 2007 undefeated Hawaii team would have been a tough pick for the top 8. The 2006 Boise team probably would not have been picked for the top 4 either.

Eight isn't always going to let an undefeated in but the odds are it usually will and without that the fundamental fairness of the system will be a debate. It is one thing to debate why you picked 11-1 Auburn over 11-1 Michigan State, when you have a team run the table with 2/3rds of the schedule outside their control and the other 1/3rd dependent on finding someone you can come to terms with leaving an undefeated out is going to create questions of fairness and debates as to bias.
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(04-22-2013 11:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I suspect 8 will eventually be the number. Not only does it get harder to make "the case" that #9 could be the best compared to making the case for #5, the reality is that there is a decent probability that someone is going to go 12-0 or 13-0 with a resume that makes them difficult to pick for the field of four. In 2009, five schools finished the regular season undefeated. In 2008 Boise State finished undefeated but almost certainly would not have been in the top 4. Of course the 2007 undefeated Hawaii team would have been a tough pick for the top 8. The 2006 Boise team probably would not have been picked for the top 4 either.

Eight isn't always going to let an undefeated in but the odds are it usually will and without that the fundamental fairness of the system will be a debate. It is one thing to debate why you picked 11-1 Auburn over 11-1 Michigan State, when you have a team run the table with 2/3rds of the schedule outside their control and the other 1/3rd dependent on finding someone you can come to terms with leaving an undefeated out is going to create questions of fairness and debates as to bias.

I think it will eventually become 8, too. The question in my mind is more about what form an 8-team playoff would take. I know a lot of fans simply want to do away with the bowl system entirely, but I still see it as a mechanism for the 5 power conferences to maintain control. It would be simple enough in theory to use the Rose, Sugar, Orange and a 4th bowl game as the playoff games, but the contractual tie-ins and payouts become much more of an issue in a large playoff system compared to what will be in place next year (which really isn't very radically different than the current BCS system).
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The NBA has no interest in changing the way they do business. The NCAA is a free minor league for them to vet their future stars. You won't see any change from them...
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I love to hear college football fans claim that every game matters. Well, when was the sat time that a 2 loss team got into a national championship bowl game?

So, essentially after a team loses 2 games, their season is over and none of the rest of their games matter.

The NCAA keeps hope alive so every game matters through the end of the season and into the conference playoffs.

You hit the nail on the head, Doc.
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(04-22-2013 12:01 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think it will eventually become 8, too. The question in my mind is more about what form an 8-team playoff would take. I know a lot of fans simply want to do away with the bowl system entirely, but I still see it as a mechanism for the 5 power conferences to maintain control. It would be simple enough in theory to use the Rose, Sugar, Orange and a 4th bowl game as the playoff games, but the contractual tie-ins and payouts become much more of an issue in a large playoff system compared to what will be in place next year (which really isn't very radically different than the current BCS system).

If they create an 8-team playoff. The illusion of bowl games actually mattering just won't survive. People just won't go, and they won't watch either. I think the 4-team playoff is going to take a much bigger bite out of the bowl games than they expect. I guess we'll know soon enough.
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(04-22-2013 12:01 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think it will eventually become 8, too. The question in my mind is more about what form an 8-team playoff would take. I know a lot of fans simply want to do away with the bowl system entirely, but I still see it as a mechanism for the 5 power conferences to maintain control. It would be simple enough in theory to use the Rose, Sugar, Orange and a 4th bowl game as the playoff games, but the contractual tie-ins and payouts become much more of an issue in a large playoff system compared to what will be in place next year (which really isn't very radically different than the current BCS system).

If they create an 8-team playoff. The illusion of bowl games actually mattering just won't survive. People just won't go, and they won't watch either. I think the 4-team playoff is going to take a much bigger bite out of the bowl games than they expect. I guess we'll know soon enough.

Given the choice of showing basketball or irrelevant bowl games, ESPN will opt to show bowl games.

I've been to three meaningless bowl games and had a darn good time and won't mind doing it again this year.
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(04-22-2013 02:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Given the choice of showing basketball or irrelevant bowl games, ESPN will opt to show bowl games.

I've been to three meaningless bowl games and had a darn good time and won't mind doing it again this year.

Meaningless football would probably still win in a fight with basketball, but that doesn't mean the ratings won't drop.

I've been to more than three, and they were all a blast. But that doesn't mean overall attendance and ratings won't drop. They have ALREADY dropped.

Just look at the Sugar Bowl this year. Florida fans basically skipped it. Why? Because from their view, it didn't matter. Regardless of the opponent, they will feel the same way about the Sugar Bowl when the 4-team playoff starts. That sentiment is only going to grow.
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(04-22-2013 02:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Given the choice of showing basketball or irrelevant bowl games, ESPN will opt to show bowl games.

I've been to three meaningless bowl games and had a darn good time and won't mind doing it again this year.

Meaningless football would probably still win in a fight with basketball, but that doesn't mean the ratings won't drop.

I've been to more than three, and they were all a blast. But that doesn't mean overall attendance and ratings won't drop. They have ALREADY dropped.

Just look at the Sugar Bowl this year. Florida fans basically skipped it. Why? Because from their view, it didn't matter. Regardless of the opponent, they will feel the same way about the Sugar Bowl when the 4-team playoff starts. That sentiment is only going to grow.

Florida has NEVER traveled well to bowl games unless the games were in Florida or for the national title. Just the nature of the program.

The biggest problem the bowls have isn't when Kansas goes 6-6 and makes a bowl, its when Texas goes 6-6 and makes a bowl. The last couple years we've had schools in bowls with lame duck coaches or interim coaches because the school declared the performance that year insufficient to retain the coach despite making a bowl.
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(04-22-2013 02:07 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  
(04-22-2013 12:01 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think it will eventually become 8, too. The question in my mind is more about what form an 8-team playoff would take. I know a lot of fans simply want to do away with the bowl system entirely, but I still see it as a mechanism for the 5 power conferences to maintain control. It would be simple enough in theory to use the Rose, Sugar, Orange and a 4th bowl game as the playoff games, but the contractual tie-ins and payouts become much more of an issue in a large playoff system compared to what will be in place next year (which really isn't very radically different than the current BCS system).

If they create an 8-team playoff. The illusion of bowl games actually mattering just won't survive. People just won't go, and they won't watch either. I think the 4-team playoff is going to take a much bigger bite out of the bowl games than they expect. I guess we'll know soon enough.

Most of the bowl games don't "matter" now, and never did, if you're talking about any relation to the National championship picture. Nobody pretends they do. I don't see most bowl games being hurt by an 8-team playoff. It's basically like turning the BCS games into a playoff. Anybody outside the BCS games wasn't playing for anything except pride anyway.

Being selfish, I'd like even more teams than 8, just so a team from the MAC would have an outside shot getting in. With 16 (still less than 15% of FBS teams) they could, but not really with 8. As a football fan, I at least want to see 8 instead of 4, so you have more of the top football teams settle it on the field instead of by vote. That would make for interesting football games, IMO.
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(04-22-2013 02:07 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  If they create an 8-team playoff. The illusion of bowl games actually mattering just won't survive. People just won't go, and they won't watch either. I think the 4-team playoff is going to take a much bigger bite out of the bowl games than they expect. I guess we'll know soon enough.

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(04-22-2013 03:17 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Most of the bowl games don't "matter" now, and never did, if you're talking about any relation to the National championship picture. Nobody pretends they do.

I think they do pretend they matter, whether they admit it or not.

Anyway, we're about to find out. Let's see what the attendance and ratings are for the Sugar, Rose, Orange and Fiesta in 2015 and compare those numbers to 2013 and 2014.
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(04-22-2013 04:56 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  
(04-22-2013 03:17 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Most of the bowl games don't "matter" now, and never did, if you're talking about any relation to the National championship picture. Nobody pretends they do.

I think they do pretend they matter, whether they admit it or not.

Anyway, we're about to find out. Let's see what the attendance and ratings are for the Sugar, Rose, Orange and Fiesta in 2015 and compare those numbers to 2013 and 2014.

Well my point is really that they do matter to the teams involved, just not in relation to the national championship. And so, nothing would change if they went to an 8-team playoff.
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RE: The blatant MYTH re: the NCAA Tournament and a CFB playoff...
Making kids go the college longer doesn't really help anyone...except the college

-Kids go pro and make money plus get better coaching. The idea that kids will be "ruined" by going pro too soon is a myth. Kwame Brown wasn't a bust because he went too soon, he was a bust because he sucked period. At least he got 80 million dollars out of it.
-NBA teams have more talent to go around and thus the league isn't as watered down.

The reality is the NBA controls these rules and they will do what is best for their league. The Baseball 3 years or none rule is only in place because it saves scouts from having to scout that many players every year for every draft. They have 50 rounds as it is and that rule cuts the draft pool in half.

Maybe we see the NBA go to a 2 and done rule, but otherwise its not happening.
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