If you're Mizzou, would you entertain a B1G invite after tasting the goodness that is, the SEC...?

So a GOR PLUS 50 mill exit fees...ain't nobody goin' nowheres

Realignment just came to a halt. Big 12 is the only other conference that might add 2 members and the ACC is off the table.

(04-22-2013 12:10 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Someone will eventually challenge a GoR and then we'll see how ironclad they are. Until then, none of us know how well it will hold up. We all thought exit fees were enforceable until they weren't.

I think GoR is a sham. Bet a dime to a doughnut the GoR is a brokered deal replacing the $50 million exit fee.

There are three ways around a GoR.

1. Tough it out. The GoR doesn't cover your away games, only the home games so if you are a high value target, the new league goes in knowing that they are getting four (or five) of your road games every year.
2. Buy your way out. Actually not a tough deal. You go to the TV partners and determine what the loss of your school does to the rights fee. If they are cutting the rights fee $2 million per year over 10 years, you pay the league the present value of that as a lump sum or you pay them the missing revenue in annual installments.
3. Breach the contract and let them sue. If that happens you end up having to pay for the reduced value of the contract.

Of course this is not truly arm's length dealing. Right now there are two serious players. ESPN and Fox. If you are leaving the ACC and ESPN is negotiating with the Big 10 to replace the deal that expires in 2016 it is really easy to ask the Big 10 if they will take X offer if they take school 1 and 2 from the ACC and then choose to not lower the rights fee paid to the ACC or reduce it a small amount to make departure affordable.

If you are ESPN, you have everything of notable value from the ACC tied up until 2027 but you don't have any assurance of ANYTHING from the Big 10 after 2016 and they have a partnership with Fox through 2032. It becomes worthwhile to ESPN to tie up those top tier rights for the Big 10 for an extended period by helping them get some ACC schools (or an SEC or a Big XII).

ESPN has much less motivation to help an ACC go to the SEC (where ESPN's control is huge through 2024) or to the Big XII where ESPN holds good rights through 2025.

(04-22-2013 12:52 PM)panite Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 12:40 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Jim Delany and his alleged 16-20 school Big Ten Conference just took one in the shorts if this news is true.

That's ok - Rutgers made in under the new 14 team set up. Killer division though with Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, and Penn St in it when their sanctions are over. The money will make 4th place in the division easy to take though when Rutgers can beat Michigan St, Maryland, and Indiana in the same year. Then again 4th place in the East Division with a couple of wins against teams from the West Division coupled on to a couple of OOC wins will put Rutgers in a decent bowl too.

Might not smell the Roses but the alternative bowls are not bad along with the new found B-10 money either.

I am happy that Rutgers is in the Big Ten.

I am extremely happy that ND likely will never be in the Big Ten.

I guess that puts a kink in some of the ACC armeggedon scenarios. I'm really glad this happened to be honest. It'll be funny to hear how WVU's scout board spins this.

"Grant of rights means nothing... errrrr... uhhhhh...."

(04-22-2013 12:31 PM)DeacKillsaDevil Wrote:  Good for the ACC. Bad for this board :) what will you talk about now?

Will America East go after NJIT?

It's official. Here's the press release: http://www.theacc.com/genrel/042213aaa.html

I thought all you ACC fans thought a GOR was worthless?

This is good for college football except for one thing-the Notre Dame exception. The ACC now has a half member indefinitely. I would have liked to see them lose one or two and then convince ND to play a 6th game. With 14 teams, you would have 2-7 team divisions. ACC could count only division games, so ND could be an "almost" full member.

(04-22-2013 12:54 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 12:53 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Eh, don't really see any of that.

IMO

Mizzou would rather be recruiting Texas, Louisiana, Georgia and Florida than Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Don't see the SEC ever using a precious realignment slot on OSU which precludes OU as well and I cant see UT swallowing their pride and following us. I think its much more likely UT/OU/OSU/TTU go to the PAC than the SEC.

You could very well be right. If that were the case, Baylor, TCU, KSU and ISU would be be looking to add to their conference I'm sure. Just crazy. Realignment is definitely not over.

Uh, we've been there before. Those four would be looking to the AAC for admittance, not the other way around. You could throw in the MWC but I doubt those four would go that direction.

(04-22-2013 01:28 PM)orangefan Wrote:  It's official. Here's the press release: http://www.theacc.com/genrel/042213aaa.html

Damn the ACC is tight-lipped. They go from leak to press release in the same day on issues that almost always take time to resolve.

Pitt & Cuse. One day from leak to official.

Notre Dame. Same day leak to official.

GoR. Same day leak to official.

The ACC needs to be in charge of national security!

(04-22-2013 12:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  If true, Notre Dame got everything it wanted out of conference realignment, then.

It gets access to the playoffs and to the Orange Bowl as an independent, seven football games a year under its control, the NBC deal and the ACC deal with the existing fourteen teams staying intact for at least ten years and its other sports televised via an ACC network.

Not bad, Jack Swarbrick and John Swofford.

So, ND is signing a modified GOR, which does not include football?

Grand slam by the acc but the ? goes to how strong are GOR? If strong than expansion is done for awhile since the big 12, big 10, acc and pac 10 are locked up. The big 10 could target missouri but if they can't get KU, than they got nobody to pair them with since i think the only way MU might jump to the big 10 would be if KU was coming. If somehow missouri and Ku did join the big 10, than i would guess the sec would target texas, OU and Ok state to jump to 16.

saw the best tweet about it:
Andy Bitter @AndyBitterVT This grant of rights deal is plenty more serious than the solidarity statement last year. That was a BFF necklace. This is a legit ring.

(04-22-2013 01:08 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:   I guess that puts a kink in some of the ACC armeggedon scenarios. I'm really glad this happened to be honest. It'll be funny to hear how WVU's scout board spins this.

"Grant of rights means nothing... errrrr... uhhhhh...."

I never paid any attention to WVU's scout board's realignment talk in the B12 forum. The radical fringe is on WVU's scout site. I tend to stick with football and basketball discussion, with the occasional discussion about other WVU sports, when I visit WVU's scout board...

So if the Big 12 ever wanted to get to 12+ their list just got shorter but there ARE still quality adds out there with no GOR:

-BYU
-UConn
-Cincy

-Boise
-Memphis
-UNM
-UNLV
-SDSU
-CSU

(04-22-2013 12:51 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Well, I have no idea what this will mean in terms of actual conference shuffling.

A couple things can be deduced though (if reports are true).

1 -- 15 schools signed off on this, so it appears that the members of the ACC are fine being in the ACC.

2. -- This grant of rights move, along with the exploration of it's own channel, shows that the conference commissioner is doing everything he can to ensure his league survive further raiding. Imagine if the Big East Conference had leadership with that kind of pro-activity.

Actually the Big East leadership went out and recruited TCU and then Boise State. They also obtained a $billion + contract. Unfortunately they were undercut by their own membership who displayed none of the loyalty to the conference and their fellow members that the ACC members have toward theirs. Instead they bolted for a better pay day. Ultimately the fact that the Big East couldn't command as big a media deal as they other condenses have is what did them in.

Looks like West Virginia is stuck on an island for the next 15 years.

Incredible, I would think acc network has to be a factor?

Well, the big 12 GOR could get eliminated today if 8 school's disband the conference...that could be 8 to the pac 10 in an alliance more than conf but it would be pac 20 or 6 to the pac 10 with ku to the big 10 and WVU to the sec.