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RE: How does the ACC GoR affect Maryland vs. ACC?
(04-25-2013 04:39 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:27 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 03:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I hope Maryland wins the lawsuit just for one reason. The ACC was the conference that started this realignment craziness when they decided they wanted Miami and in that process they killed the entire Big East in a span of a decade. The ACC is the last conference that can scream "damage" after all the things they've done.

Go Maryland!!!!!

Pretty sure the SEC took South Carolina and Arkansas before the ACC took Miami.

That was back in the early 90's. South Carolina was an indy when they joined the SEC as was Penn State when they joined the Big Ten. Arkansas was in the SWC. The SWC died in the process and it was a quite decade with no movements (unless you count the WAC-16 split and the formation of C-USA and the MWC).

I'm not criticizing the ACC for expanding. Each conference has to look for their own interests. But I find it ironic that the ACC is holding Maryland accountable in going to the Big Ten when they (ACC) didn't think twice to raid the Big East. The ACC basically killed a power conference (Big East), they only lost one school (so far) while they added 6 former Big East schools in a decade and it'll become the best basketball league. That's why I hope Maryland wins the lawsuit.
The NCAA killed The Big East when they put in a random rule requiring 12 teams to hold a conference championship game. Maybe the Big East killed itself because it could not offer teams what the ACC offered them.

Did the Big East schools heading to the ACC break their contractual agreements? I don't know the answer but I doubt it since it's taken a couple years to get them on board.

The Big East killed itself for many reasons. One is having different agendas (football and basketball only schools) and their decision to stay at 8 in football. It will take us days to go from the symptoms to the autopsy of the Big East. But the point I'm trying to make is the hypocrisy from the ACC to hold Maryland accountable for something they didn't agree on the first place when they (ACC) did exactly the same thing with the Big East.

The ACC had to do what it had to do. College athletics has become a survival for the fittest environment. I'm not criticizing the move the ACC made with the Big East, I'm criticizing the double standard the ACC is applying to Maryland/Big Ten. That's it.
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RE: How does the ACC GoR affect Maryland vs. ACC?
(04-25-2013 04:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:39 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:27 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 03:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I hope Maryland wins the lawsuit just for one reason. The ACC was the conference that started this realignment craziness when they decided they wanted Miami and in that process they killed the entire Big East in a span of a decade. The ACC is the last conference that can scream "damage" after all the things they've done.

Go Maryland!!!!!

Pretty sure the SEC took South Carolina and Arkansas before the ACC took Miami.

That was back in the early 90's. South Carolina was an indy when they joined the SEC as was Penn State when they joined the Big Ten. Arkansas was in the SWC. The SWC died in the process and it was a quite decade with no movements (unless you count the WAC-16 split and the formation of C-USA and the MWC).

I'm not criticizing the ACC for expanding. Each conference has to look for their own interests. But I find it ironic that the ACC is holding Maryland accountable in going to the Big Ten when they (ACC) didn't think twice to raid the Big East. The ACC basically killed a power conference (Big East), they only lost one school (so far) while they added 6 former Big East schools in a decade and it'll become the best basketball league. That's why I hope Maryland wins the lawsuit.
The NCAA killed The Big East when they put in a random rule requiring 12 teams to hold a conference championship game. Maybe the Big East killed itself because it could not offer teams what the ACC offered them.

Did the Big East schools heading to the ACC break their contractual agreements? I don't know the answer but I doubt it since it's taken a couple years to get them on board.

The Big East killed itself for many reasons. One is having different agendas (football and basketball only schools) and their decision to stay at 8 in football. It will take us days to go from the symptoms to the autopsy of the Big East. But the point I'm trying to make is the hypocrisy from the ACC to hold Maryland accountable for something they didn't agree on the first place when they (ACC) did exactly the same thing with the Big East.

The ACC had to do what it had to do. College athletics has become a survival for the fittest environment. I'm not criticizing the move the ACC made with the Big East, I'm criticizing the double standard the ACC is applying to Maryland/Big Ten. That's it.

There is no "double standard". The ACC has no bearing or influence on the BE's exit fee (bylaws), just like the Big Ten has no bearing on the ACC's exit fee (bylaws). The ACC could offer those schools more despite the "exit fee" just for being in the ACC. The Big ten is a little different because they had to front money and offer a "travel expense" in order to pry a desperate Maryland from the ACC, but with that, some in MD felt it was the right move at the time, so to each his own. Even still, the exit fee is the exit fee, just like the bylaw is the bylaw. What if Maryland decides it doesn't want to adhere to a Big ten bylaw, say the non-disclosure agreement they signed and agreed to? Should they be allowed to breach that contract because some people in power don't want to but others do? This is about breaching a contract and to get back to the OP, no, the GoR has no impact on the ACC's contractual right to obtain its exit fee in full from Maryland!
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RE: How does the ACC GoR affect Maryland vs. ACC?
(04-25-2013 04:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:39 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:27 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 03:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I hope Maryland wins the lawsuit just for one reason. The ACC was the conference that started this realignment craziness when they decided they wanted Miami and in that process they killed the entire Big East in a span of a decade. The ACC is the last conference that can scream "damage" after all the things they've done.

Go Maryland!!!!!

Pretty sure the SEC took South Carolina and Arkansas before the ACC took Miami.

That was back in the early 90's. South Carolina was an indy when they joined the SEC as was Penn State when they joined the Big Ten. Arkansas was in the SWC. The SWC died in the process and it was a quite decade with no movements (unless you count the WAC-16 split and the formation of C-USA and the MWC).

I'm not criticizing the ACC for expanding. Each conference has to look for their own interests. But I find it ironic that the ACC is holding Maryland accountable in going to the Big Ten when they (ACC) didn't think twice to raid the Big East. The ACC basically killed a power conference (Big East), they only lost one school (so far) while they added 6 former Big East schools in a decade and it'll become the best basketball league. That's why I hope Maryland wins the lawsuit.
The NCAA killed The Big East when they put in a random rule requiring 12 teams to hold a conference championship game. Maybe the Big East killed itself because it could not offer teams what the ACC offered them.

Did the Big East schools heading to the ACC break their contractual agreements? I don't know the answer but I doubt it since it's taken a couple years to get them on board.

The Big East killed itself for many reasons. One is having different agendas (football and basketball only schools) and their decision to stay at 8 in football. It will take us days to go from the symptoms to the autopsy of the Big East. But the point I'm trying to make is the hypocrisy from the ACC to hold Maryland accountable for something they didn't agree on the first place when they (ACC) did exactly the same thing with the Big East.

The ACC had to do what it had to do. College athletics has become a survival for the fittest environment. I'm not criticizing the move the ACC made with the Big East, I'm criticizing the double standard the ACC is applying to Maryland/Big Ten. That's it.
but Maryland did agree to join the ACC in the first place & has accepted all of the rulings from the Council of Presidents up until now, also they agreed to the exit fee but didn't agree with the increased percentage of the operating budget set by all members of the conference
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RE: How does the ACC GoR affect Maryland vs. ACC?
(04-25-2013 05:15 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:39 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 04:27 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  Pretty sure the SEC took South Carolina and Arkansas before the ACC took Miami.

That was back in the early 90's. South Carolina was an indy when they joined the SEC as was Penn State when they joined the Big Ten. Arkansas was in the SWC. The SWC died in the process and it was a quite decade with no movements (unless you count the WAC-16 split and the formation of C-USA and the MWC).

I'm not criticizing the ACC for expanding. Each conference has to look for their own interests. But I find it ironic that the ACC is holding Maryland accountable in going to the Big Ten when they (ACC) didn't think twice to raid the Big East. The ACC basically killed a power conference (Big East), they only lost one school (so far) while they added 6 former Big East schools in a decade and it'll become the best basketball league. That's why I hope Maryland wins the lawsuit.
The NCAA killed The Big East when they put in a random rule requiring 12 teams to hold a conference championship game. Maybe the Big East killed itself because it could not offer teams what the ACC offered them.

Did the Big East schools heading to the ACC break their contractual agreements? I don't know the answer but I doubt it since it's taken a couple years to get them on board.

The Big East killed itself for many reasons. One is having different agendas (football and basketball only schools) and their decision to stay at 8 in football. It will take us days to go from the symptoms to the autopsy of the Big East. But the point I'm trying to make is the hypocrisy from the ACC to hold Maryland accountable for something they didn't agree on the first place when they (ACC) did exactly the same thing with the Big East.

The ACC had to do what it had to do. College athletics has become a survival for the fittest environment. I'm not criticizing the move the ACC made with the Big East, I'm criticizing the double standard the ACC is applying to Maryland/Big Ten. That's it.
but Maryland did agree to join the ACC in the first place & has accepted all of the rulings from the Council of Presidents up until now, also they agreed to the exit fee but didn't agree with the increased percentage of the operating budget set by all members of the conference

Thank you and totally agree! Does Maryland, by agreeing to be apart of the Big ten also agree to abide by all the bylaws of the Big ten? When does that start? If they disagree with one, what is their recourse? Does the ACC have a remedy if a school does not want to be part of the Conference any longer? Does the Big ten? does the Big 12? Does every conference?
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