Since we are talking hypothetically and at some future date...Georgetown.
+ Great location ~10 miles from Maryland. 5.5 million population.
+ Great Academics - #21 on US News list
+ $1.14 billion endowment
+ Great market - DC, MD(?) and future powerhouse Delaware
+ Great basketball - Big rivalry with SU
+ They have teams in all ACC sports except wrestling

- Football - Currently FCS. Maryland has had success there.
- Football stadium - 2500 seat Multi-Sport Field. ~7 miles from 45,000 seat RFK (OK for temp/transition home)

The question is, can they build up the football program to a respectable FBS level in 10-15 years? Some ACC teams (ahem!) have set that bar pretty low

Ok, 2 questions... Would you consider someone like Georgetown (not necessarily Georgetown) on a trail basis with the provision that they meet specific criteria at specific dates? Attendance, stadium progress, etc. at 5, 10 and 15 years?

(04-23-2013 02:33 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Would you consider someone like Georgetown (not necessarily Georgetown) on a trail basis with the provision that they meet specific criteria at specific dates? Attendance, stadium progress, etc. at 5, 10 and 15 years?

NO.

If someone wants to "try" playing BCS football, let 'em do it in the AAC.

Notre Dame as the 17th team for all sports but football. Notre Dam would still play 5 CC teams in football each year. So we add UConn and Cincinnati as 15th and 16th all-sports teams.

Divisions:
Boston College
UConn
Syracuse
Pitt
Cincinnati
Louisville
Virginia
Virginia Tech

North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
George Tech
Florida State
Miami

(04-23-2013 03:40 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Notre Dame as the 17th team for all sports but football. Notre Dam would still play 5 CC teams in football each year. So we add UConn and Cincinnati as 15th and 16th all-sports teams.

Um, WHY would we do that? Just feeling charitable? Look, I'm all for helping them out by playing them (well, Cincinnati at least), but why do we NEED 16 teams?

(04-23-2013 12:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 10:15 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:55 AM)Bearcat T Wrote:  We would love to show our strength against a Big 10 team that is why we are playing Purdue at home and Illinois on the road this year. we play at Ohio St next year and at Michigan in 2017 or 18? As for Cincy not having enough fans. We took 26k to the Orange Bowl, 35k to the Sugar Bowl, !5k to the Liberty Bowl and 12k to the Belk Bowl in the last five years. We fill Nippert for most games and avg over 10k for Big East games.

I didn't say "play." I said fight to the death. [i]Two schools enter...one school leaves!

While I think the complete and utter destruction of Columbus, OH is definitely taking this whole competition thing too far, I must admit that would make Cincinnati a virtual lock...

VICTORY AT ALL COSTS!

(04-23-2013 10:15 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:55 AM)Bearcat T Wrote:  We would love to show our strength against a Big 10 team that is why we are playing Purdue at home and Illinois on the road this year. we play at Ohio St next year and at Michigan in 2017 or 18? As for Cincy not having enough fans. We took 26k to the Orange Bowl, 35k to the Sugar Bowl, !5k to the Liberty Bowl and 12k to the Belk Bowl in the last five years. We fill Nippert for most games and avg over 10k for Big East games.

I didn't say "play." I said fight to the death. Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves!

Seriously though, UC fields very competitive teams. There is no denying that. However, UC's geography isn't in line with the rest of the conference (UL is an outlier because they make a ton of money). UC doesn't rake in the cash, UC's only existing conference rival/hope of a rival is UL, and UC academics are WAY below the ACC average. UC isn't going to the ACC unless everything falls apart, which won't happen in the foreseeable future.

You have a MUCH better shot of joining the Big XII. All you have to do is convince the Mormon Church that BYU can play on Sundays and you're in.

If academics were a factor, Cincinnati and UCONN would be in well before Louisville. So we know that academics are less of a factor than you suggest. Not unimportant, but not by any stretch of the imagination the most important criterion. The bottom line is revenue generation and on that basis, UofL excels. They are the only game in Louisville, unless you want to count the one-day-per-year Kentucky Derby and some minor league baseball.

(04-23-2013 06:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 10:15 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:55 AM)Bearcat T Wrote:  We would love to show our strength against a Big 10 team that is why we are playing Purdue at home and Illinois on the road this year. we play at Ohio St next year and at Michigan in 2017 or 18? As for Cincy not having enough fans. We took 26k to the Orange Bowl, 35k to the Sugar Bowl, !5k to the Liberty Bowl and 12k to the Belk Bowl in the last five years. We fill Nippert for most games and avg over 10k for Big East games.

I didn't say "play." I said fight to the death. Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves! Two schools enter...one school leaves!

Seriously though, UC fields very competitive teams. There is no denying that. However, UC's geography isn't in line with the rest of the conference (UL is an outlier because they make a ton of money). UC doesn't rake in the cash, UC's only existing conference rival/hope of a rival is UL, and UC academics are WAY below the ACC average. UC isn't going to the ACC unless everything falls apart, which won't happen in the foreseeable future.

You have a MUCH better shot of joining the Big XII. All you have to do is convince the Mormon Church that BYU can play on Sundays and you're in.

If academics were a factor, Cincinnati and UCONN would be in well before Louisville. So we know that academics are less of a factor than you suggest. Not unimportant, but not by any stretch of the imagination the most important criterion. The bottom line is revenue generation and on that basis, UofL excels. They are the only game in Louisville, unless you want to count the one-day-per-year Kentucky Derby and some minor league baseball.

"If academics were a factor, Cincinnati and UCONN would be in well before Louisville."

Then

"[Academics are n]ot unimportant..."

How do those two quote not directly contradict?

" So we know that academics are less of a factor than you suggest."

All I said was that it was a factor. The next two words that you wrote even agreed with me.

"[Academics are] not by any stretch of the imagination the most important criterion."

I never said that they were! You're putting words in my mouth left and right.

"The bottom line is revenue generation and on that basis, UofL excels."

I don't disagree. UC made $39 million last year. UL was in the 80's (I think $87 million). That's why I said that UC needs to improve its revenue by about 90% (to the mid 70's --> $40+[$40*.90]=$76).

I said that UC needs to improve academics because every time ACC academics are diluted, it becomes more expensive for the next guy to dilute them. UL's price was $87 million/yr in revenue. If UC can't top that, or get close to it, then UC will have to have to be a much better cultural fit, which would involve moving UC's academic rating closer to the ACC average of about 50-55. #140 - #55 = 85 spots. Keep in mind that the ACC does not NEED to add. UC will have to make the ACC WANT to add, which means that UC will have to be comperable or better than the ACC norm in every major catagory and it's already fighting an uphill battle with geography. Until ND/UL the ACC wouldn't even consider schools that were in states that didn't touch the Atlantic Ocean (Texas was a technicality because Texas touches the Gulf of Mexico whihc is arguably the Atlantic).

(04-23-2013 07:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  ...UC will have to make the ACC WANT to add, which means that UC will have to be comparable or better than the ACC norm in every major category and it's already fighting an uphill battle with geography. Until ND/UL the ACC wouldn't even consider schools that were in states that didn't touch the Atlantic Ocean (Texas was a technicality because Texas touches the Gulf of Mexico which is arguably the Atlantic).

Hear that Alabama and LSU? The ACC is willing to consider your applications for #15 and #16 since your states also border on the Atlantic Ocean by way of the Gulf... but you MUST improve your academics!!!

(04-23-2013 09:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  ...UC will have to make the ACC WANT to add, which means that UC will have to be comparable or better than the ACC norm in every major category and it's already fighting an uphill battle with geography. Until ND/UL the ACC wouldn't even consider schools that were in states that didn't touch the Atlantic Ocean (Texas was a technicality because Texas touches the Gulf of Mexico which is arguably the Atlantic).

Hear that Alabama and LSU? The ACC is willing to consider your applications for #15 and #16 since your states also border on the Atlantic Ocean by way of the Gulf... but you MUST improve your academics!!!

Screw that. I have a shovel. I'm digging my way to Norman! If OU can improve their academics by 25 spots, we just might bail OU and UTex out (after I bring the ocean to Oklahoma)

(04-23-2013 09:37 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  I think that Connecticut is starting to make moves now to position themselves higher during the next round of realignment.

At some point the B12 and WVU will decide it is in both of their best interests to find WVU another home. I'm not sure if the ACC will have changed their mind on them though.

I don't think Cincy has enough fans.

I don't really like the idea of Navy. I don't think they would be competitive in the long run.

I wouldn't mind WVU being invited to the ACC but I don't think it will happen unless they stop throwing batteries and burning couches.

Note: The battle for the Black Diamond Trophy should be renewed.

frankly speaking cincy/uconn/any aac school got the shaft with the ACC GOR... there hope to enter the power 5 was the acc being raided which now is highly unlikely...

with the big12 refusing to expand, expansion will be halted for the next 4-5 years while texas tries to collect as much $$$ as possible before joining a new conference...

if the acc can convince ND + Texas + another school, you can pretty much guarantee the ACC will be set for the future

To me that NAVY- football only plus one is looking a lot better! with a clause until ND fully Commits!

if the BIG is serious about

UCONN and MISSOURI

I still see 4 POWER 16

PAC 16- TEXAS, OK ST., KANSAS , UNLV

BIG 16- MISSOURI, UCONN

ACC 16- CINCY, NAVY- Football Only (until ND commits full)

SEC 16- OKLAHOMA, WVU, KANSAS ST.

Everyone else find a can find a spot where they can that makes sense for them.