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(04-24-2013 08:33 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  Funny, but not a single damn one of those things can be said for maryland.

Louisville wasn't going to B1G no how no way. Everybody is happy. Not an option. Too good at stuff.
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(04-24-2013 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 01:24 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:44 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:33 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  What does that make Louisville?

Has the GOR been tested in court ?

No

If the money is great enough in the B10 expansion will happen.

ND took care of itself, not the ACC.

Why does anyone doubt that a GOR will stand up in court? Schools choose to sign it, so what is there to argue about it? They won't have a case.

As for Notre Dame, they thought they were taking care of themselves when they signed the alliance with the ACC, but that was signed before their football team went on a run to the national title game, when media were questioning their "relevance".

I seriously doubt ND would sign that agreement today. The ACC was the huge winner.



Just my opinion, but I think that ND would definitely sign the same ACC deal today.

The Irish are extremely happy how conference realignment worked out. They really like the ACC affiliation, too. It is a great home for basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer, etc...

ND likes the Southeast exposure for recruiting, games against FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, etc.. and the minor bowl bids.

They still qualify for the playoffs and the Orange Bowl as an independent, still have a much increased, 10 year NBC deal and still control 7 football games on their schedule.

(They also get all of their home hockey games televised on NBC Sports. Seriously, what university gets all of its home hockey games televised?).

Jack Swarbrick may just end up with a statue on campus for the work he has done with conference realignment since 2010.

I get your points. However, seems like the ACC was able to capture about 40% of NDs schedule, a high price.



How many of those ACC schools did ND regularly or often already play?

How many were they going to play anyway in the future?

Pitt? Every year. BC? Almost every year.

ND played a home/home series with Wake Forest in 2011-12.

ND played Miami last year. It is not as high of a price in reality as some think.

Georgia Tech is an old rival. Games against FSU, Clemson and Virginia Tech? Cool.

Now, ND can tell Southeastern recruits that ND will be regularly playing games close to the hometowns of their parents. That combats the "ND is too far away, your parents won't be able to attend your games" negative recruiting that SEC and ACC schools use against ND on the recruiting trail.

Not a bad setup to me.
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(04-24-2013 09:09 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 08:33 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  Funny, but not a single damn one of those things can be said for maryland.

Louisville wasn't going to B1G no how no way. Everybody is happy. Not an option. Too good at stuff.

Nope, they weren't. I don't know that I implied that but it seems you got it somehow....sorry for that, --- but a turtle crapping on ul? Pure homerism.
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(04-24-2013 07:16 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 07:13 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  The B10 is scheduled to be $40 million plus per school,The ACC is going to be $20million per school.Could it be ESPN is low-balling the ACC?

Nothing like reality!!!!

By the way who are the ACC football conference champs likely to play in the first round?
It will be the same as the champ from any other conference:

If they're the #1 team in the nation, then the #4 team in the nation.

If they're the #2 team in the nation, then the #3 team in the nation.

If they're the #3 team in the nation, then the #2 team in the nation.

If they're the #4 team in the nation, then the #1 team in the nation.

Hardly
SEC winner plays B12 winner
BIG 10 winner plays PAC 12 winner

#2 from SEC,Big12,PAC 12 or BIG 10 whoever is highest rated plays ACC winner.

Sure the ACC can have a #1 team but they do not get the best of the SEC,B12,B10 or PAC 12,they get the second best from these top 4 conferences.
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(04-24-2013 07:13 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 06:12 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 04:07 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 02:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 02:09 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  ND got a great deal.
They got the most and gave the least.
They are happy with BC,Syracuse,Miami,Wake and Duke.
They are with Pitt.

Thats not the real question.
Did the ACC get their money's worth with ND?
I think not.

There are real good football programs in VaTech,FSU andClemson.

However ,the size of their tv package is not near that of the SEC or Big 10.ACC has 3 real great bb programs inLouisville,Syracuse and Duke who all have hc over 60.The price paid by television for good bb leagues is a lot less that for great football leagues.

So surely then Louisville,Syracuse and Duke will all fail when their coaches move on? Is that what you are getting at? That seems to be Yukon fans' favorite line...of course forgetting they just replaced Calhoun.

The ACC doesn't have to be #1 in TV revenue...just close enough. TV revenue is only a part of the total picture.
Failure is incorrect.
However,not being as good as they currently are is a much better description.
Having a tv package which 50% of the best is another story.

STOP BELIEVING THE TROLLS!

The ACC is not and will not be 50% less. :banghead:

So how is Ollie working out?
The B10 is scheduled to be $40 million plus per school,The ACC is going to be $20million per school.Could it be ESPN is low-balling the ACC?

Nothing like reality!!!!

By the way who are the ACC football conference champs likely to play in the first round?

I love how you use their total payout and only cite our media rights payout. Reality is the B1G is going to make more than the ACC in media rights, but the $40 million figure is all in. That's media rights, playoff money, bowls, NCAA credits, the whole lot. When you add all those in for the ACC, we will be $5 million or so less. If we get an ACC Chanel going likely less than that.

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(04-24-2013 10:26 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 07:16 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 07:13 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  The B10 is scheduled to be $40 million plus per school,The ACC is going to be $20million per school.Could it be ESPN is low-balling the ACC?

Nothing like reality!!!!

By the way who are the ACC football conference champs likely to play in the first round?
It will be the same as the champ from any other conference:

If they're the #1 team in the nation, then the #4 team in the nation.

If they're the #2 team in the nation, then the #3 team in the nation.

If they're the #3 team in the nation, then the #2 team in the nation.

If they're the #4 team in the nation, then the #1 team in the nation.

Hardly
SEC winner plays B12 winner
BIG 10 winner plays PAC 12 winner

#2 from SEC,Big12,PAC 12 or BIG 10 whoever is highest rated plays ACC winner.

Sure the ACC can have a #1 team but they do not get the best of the SEC,B12,B10 or PAC 12,they get the second best from these top 4 conferences.

"Six bowl games have now been elevated in status above the rest: The Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Cotton and Chick-fil-A. Each year, two of those six bowls will host semifinal games on a rotating basis (Sugar/Rose for the 2014 season, Orange/Cotton in 2015, Fiesta/Chick-fil-A in 2016). Those semifinal games will be called the "College Football Playoff" and work as a straight No. 1 vs. No. 4/No. 2 vs. No. 3 matchup."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...s/2111419/

If the AAC has the #1 team, then the only way that they won't get the #4 team in the nation is if there are teams in the top four who are not allowed to participate in post season play because they got caught cheating.

I get that you're upset because UCONN is in the ACC, but you really, really need to stop telling lies. I have corrected you on this point before.
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(04-24-2013 09:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 01:24 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:44 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  Has the GOR been tested in court ?

No

If the money is great enough in the B10 expansion will happen.

ND took care of itself, not the ACC.

Why does anyone doubt that a GOR will stand up in court? Schools choose to sign it, so what is there to argue about it? They won't have a case.

As for Notre Dame, they thought they were taking care of themselves when they signed the alliance with the ACC, but that was signed before their football team went on a run to the national title game, when media were questioning their "relevance".

I seriously doubt ND would sign that agreement today. The ACC was the huge winner.



Just my opinion, but I think that ND would definitely sign the same ACC deal today.

The Irish are extremely happy how conference realignment worked out. They really like the ACC affiliation, too. It is a great home for basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer, etc...

ND likes the Southeast exposure for recruiting, games against FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, etc.. and the minor bowl bids.

They still qualify for the playoffs and the Orange Bowl as an independent, still have a much increased, 10 year NBC deal and still control 7 football games on their schedule.

(They also get all of their home hockey games televised on NBC Sports. Seriously, what university gets all of its home hockey games televised?).

Jack Swarbrick may just end up with a statue on campus for the work he has done with conference realignment since 2010.

I get your points. However, seems like the ACC was able to capture about 40% of NDs schedule, a high price.



How many of those ACC schools did ND regularly or often already play?

How many were they going to play anyway in the future?

Pitt? Every year. BC? Almost every year.

ND played a home/home series with Wake Forest in 2011-12.

ND played Miami last year. It is not as high of a price in reality as some think.

Georgia Tech is an old rival. Games against FSU, Clemson and Virginia Tech? Cool.

Now, ND can tell Southeastern recruits that ND will be regularly playing games close to the hometowns of their parents. That combats the "ND is too far away, your parents won't be able to attend your games" negative recruiting that SEC and ACC schools use against ND on the recruiting trail.

Not a bad setup to me.
ND has achieved the best set up of anyone in realignment.
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Wow a 7 page thread because a UConn fan is upset they are in the AAC.:

1. The GoR...kind of doubt it will even go to court. The fact is the schools in the B1G, Big XII, Pac 12 and now ACC have volunteered to give up basically the "copyrights" to all media and even home game revenues to their current/future leagues regardless of where they are playing is telling. Also, if a GoR is overturned in court then it is the Wild Wild West....the ACC & Big XII very well would have the B1G, SEC & Pac 12 really trying to pick the best of the two "Lower Power 5 Leagues"....ACC/Big XII.

2. Welcome back quo...the only thing I quiver with is the ACC being the "runt"...in terms of media rights the ACC long term is in a stronger position then the Big XII and has a larger footprint with schools not looking to go abywhere unlike the old BIG EAST. The Big XII has a Bowl Partnership with the SEC & will make a little more $$$$ because of it size which is the smallest of the Power 5 Leagues-(much like the old BIG EAST). But make no mistake....overall both have their good & bad points so they are pretty even and both are looking up the the "Destination 3"-(B1G, pac 12 & SEC). Also remember this, with the Playoffs the "Bowls" are going to lose importance. It not going to be about the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or the Chik-Fil-A Bowl but the CFP Semifinals & Title Game.

As to the AAC folks....my advice is what I said before.....make yourself #1 in the GoF and dominated the Access Bowl Slot. 07-coffee3
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(04-24-2013 11:19 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 01:24 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Why does anyone doubt that a GOR will stand up in court? Schools choose to sign it, so what is there to argue about it? They won't have a case.

As for Notre Dame, they thought they were taking care of themselves when they signed the alliance with the ACC, but that was signed before their football team went on a run to the national title game, when media were questioning their "relevance".

I seriously doubt ND would sign that agreement today. The ACC was the huge winner.



Just my opinion, but I think that ND would definitely sign the same ACC deal today.

The Irish are extremely happy how conference realignment worked out. They really like the ACC affiliation, too. It is a great home for basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer, etc...

ND likes the Southeast exposure for recruiting, games against FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, etc.. and the minor bowl bids.

They still qualify for the playoffs and the Orange Bowl as an independent, still have a much increased, 10 year NBC deal and still control 7 football games on their schedule.

(They also get all of their home hockey games televised on NBC Sports. Seriously, what university gets all of its home hockey games televised?).

Jack Swarbrick may just end up with a statue on campus for the work he has done with conference realignment since 2010.

I get your points. However, seems like the ACC was able to capture about 40% of NDs schedule, a high price.



How many of those ACC schools did ND regularly or often already play?

How many were they going to play anyway in the future?

Pitt? Every year. BC? Almost every year.

ND played a home/home series with Wake Forest in 2011-12.

ND played Miami last year. It is not as high of a price in reality as some think.

Georgia Tech is an old rival. Games against FSU, Clemson and Virginia Tech? Cool.

Now, ND can tell Southeastern recruits that ND will be regularly playing games close to the hometowns of their parents. That combats the "ND is too far away, your parents won't be able to attend your games" negative recruiting that SEC and ACC schools use against ND on the recruiting trail.

Not a bad setup to me.
ND has achieved the best set up of anyone in realignment.



Agreed. Think back to the "conventional wisdom" regarding ND last summer:


--ND was irrelevant. It would never have an undefeated season or ever play in the title game.

--NBC was not going to renew the deal. NBC was never going to increase the payout. Nobody watches ND, the ratings suck. NBC will likely drop ND.

--The new playoff structure would force ND into a conference. The "Power 4" would sit ND down in the corner and tell it what will happen. ND was powerless to prevent that.

--The ACC would never admit ND as a partial member. It was "all in or all out".

--The ACC would likely crumble, leaving ND with the option to either stay on the outside while the "Power 4" broke away or join the Big Ten.


Things turned out quite differently in the last ten months than "conventional wisdom" thought likely.

Kudos to Jack Swarbrick for navigating ND successfully through conference realignment.
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(04-24-2013 09:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 01:24 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:44 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  Has the GOR been tested in court ?

No

If the money is great enough in the B10 expansion will happen.

ND took care of itself, not the ACC.

Why does anyone doubt that a GOR will stand up in court? Schools choose to sign it, so what is there to argue about it? They won't have a case.

As for Notre Dame, they thought they were taking care of themselves when they signed the alliance with the ACC, but that was signed before their football team went on a run to the national title game, when media were questioning their "relevance".

I seriously doubt ND would sign that agreement today. The ACC was the huge winner.



Just my opinion, but I think that ND would definitely sign the same ACC deal today.

The Irish are extremely happy how conference realignment worked out. They really like the ACC affiliation, too. It is a great home for basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer, etc...

ND likes the Southeast exposure for recruiting, games against FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, etc.. and the minor bowl bids.

They still qualify for the playoffs and the Orange Bowl as an independent, still have a much increased, 10 year NBC deal and still control 7 football games on their schedule.

(They also get all of their home hockey games televised on NBC Sports. Seriously, what university gets all of its home hockey games televised?).

Jack Swarbrick may just end up with a statue on campus for the work he has done with conference realignment since 2010.

I get your points. However, seems like the ACC was able to capture about 40% of NDs schedule, a high price.



How many of those ACC schools did ND regularly or often already play?

How many were they going to play anyway in the future?

Pitt? Every year. BC? Almost every year.

ND played a home/home series with Wake Forest in 2011-12.

ND played Miami last year. It is not as high of a price in reality as some think.

Georgia Tech is an old rival. Games against FSU, Clemson and Virginia Tech? Cool.

Now, ND can tell Southeastern recruits that ND will be regularly playing games close to the hometowns of their parents. That combats the "ND is too far away, your parents won't be able to attend your games" negative recruiting that SEC and ACC schools use against ND on the recruiting trail.

Not a bad setup to me.

I admit that if i was an Irish fan, you'd be making me feel better and better about it every time you post, LOL. But I would prefer the scheduling arrangement with the Old Big East. Let's face it: ND's schedule is a very valuable commodity, one that the ACC has leveraged to get about $3 million more per year from ESPN, and they now own a big chunk of it. And yes, Swarbrick deserves kudos for aligning with the ACC, as it does provide an improved parking spot for the other sports and it is something the ACC said it would never agree to.

All I was really saying is that if the deal were cut now, I bet ND could have parked their other sports in the ACC for less of a football commitment. The deal was struck at a time when ND football looked weaker than it does now.
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(04-24-2013 10:26 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 07:16 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 07:13 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  The B10 is scheduled to be $40 million plus per school,The ACC is going to be $20million per school.Could it be ESPN is low-balling the ACC?

Nothing like reality!!!!

By the way who are the ACC football conference champs likely to play in the first round?
It will be the same as the champ from any other conference:

If they're the #1 team in the nation, then the #4 team in the nation.

If they're the #2 team in the nation, then the #3 team in the nation.

If they're the #3 team in the nation, then the #2 team in the nation.

If they're the #4 team in the nation, then the #1 team in the nation.

Hardly
SEC winner plays B12 winner
BIG 10 winner plays PAC 12 winner

#2 from SEC,Big12,PAC 12 or BIG 10 whoever is highest rated plays ACC winner.

Sure the ACC can have a #1 team but they do not get the best of the SEC,B12,B10 or PAC 12,they get the second best from these top 4 conferences.

You're being very one dimensional here. The highest rated in that group may very well be rated higher than some of those "champions". Take last year for example. Assuming the Top 4 would have been unavailable due to playoff selection the bowl matchups (under the new system) would have been...

Sugar Bowl: #5 Kansas State vs #7 Georgia
Rose Bowl: #6 Stanford vs #16 Nebraska
Orange Bowl: #12 FSU vs #8 LSU

Not really a huge difference there and if K-State had slipped into the Top 4. You would have had a # 7 Georgia vs #11 Oklahoma matchup in the Sugar, #5 Oregon vs #16 Nebraska in the Rose and #12 FSU vs #6 Stanford in the Orange.

You're getting hung up on false perceptions of #1 vs #2. #2 in the SEC is going to be ranked higher or right around the same spot as the other conference champs in most years (if recent history is any indication)
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(04-25-2013 07:56 AM)krux Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 10:26 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 07:16 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 07:13 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  The B10 is scheduled to be $40 million plus per school,The ACC is going to be $20million per school.Could it be ESPN is low-balling the ACC?

Nothing like reality!!!!

By the way who are the ACC football conference champs likely to play in the first round?
It will be the same as the champ from any other conference:

If they're the #1 team in the nation, then the #4 team in the nation.

If they're the #2 team in the nation, then the #3 team in the nation.

If they're the #3 team in the nation, then the #2 team in the nation.

If they're the #4 team in the nation, then the #1 team in the nation.

Hardly
SEC winner plays B12 winner
BIG 10 winner plays PAC 12 winner

#2 from SEC,Big12,PAC 12 or BIG 10 whoever is highest rated plays ACC winner.

Sure the ACC can have a #1 team but they do not get the best of the SEC,B12,B10 or PAC 12,they get the second best from these top 4 conferences.

You're being very one dimensional here. The highest rated in that group may very well be rated higher than some of those "champions". Take last year for example. Assuming the Top 4 would have been unavailable due to playoff selection the bowl matchups (under the new system) would have been...

Sugar Bowl: #5 Kansas State vs #7 Georgia
Rose Bowl: #6 Stanford vs #16 Nebraska
Orange Bowl: #12 FSU vs #8 LSU

Not really a huge difference there and if K-State had slipped into the Top 4. You would have had a # 7 Georgia vs #11 Oklahoma matchup in the Sugar, #5 Oregon vs #16 Nebraska in the Rose and #12 FSU vs #6 Stanford in the Orange.

You're getting hung up on false perceptions of #1 vs #2. #2 in the SEC is going to be ranked higher or right around the same spot as the other conference champs in most years (if recent history is any indication)

There does not seem to be anything one dimensional

The BIG 10 Champion plays the PAC 12 champion
The SEC champion plays the B12 champion
The ACC champion plays the best second place team from the Big 10,B12,SEC or the PAC 12.Thats a real difference and not imagined.
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(04-24-2013 08:12 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 07:13 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 06:12 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 04:07 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 02:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So surely then Louisville,Syracuse and Duke will all fail when their coaches move on? Is that what you are getting at? That seems to be Yukon fans' favorite line...of course forgetting they just replaced Calhoun.

The ACC doesn't have to be #1 in TV revenue...just close enough. TV revenue is only a part of the total picture.
Failure is incorrect.
However,not being as good as they currently are is a much better description.
Having a tv package which 50% of the best is another story.

STOP BELIEVING THE TROLLS!

The ACC is not and will not be 50% less. 03-banghead

So how is Ollie working out?
The B10 is scheduled to be $40 million plus per school,The ACC is going to be $20million per school.Could it be ESPN is low-balling the ACC?

Nothing like reality!!!!

By the way who are the ACC football conference champs likely to play in the first round?

Interesting that someone who talks about reality is using non reality with distorted facts.
The fact is that the $40 million figure that you are throwing around is the high end of what the Big 10 is projected to make with all of its revenue payouts including bowls, Ncaa tourney money etc... The $20 million figure that you used for the Acc payout includes only the media money without the bowls and NCaa tourney money. If you include the NCAA tourney money and bowls etc... for the Acc, you will see that the total payouts are really alot closer between the 2 leagues. The BIg 10 will still make more but its not even close to double as you try to claim. Its really that simple.

The ACC tv contract runs to 2023.
The B1g 10 runs to 2016
There is a large difference due to the timing.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/...breakdown/
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(04-25-2013 03:50 AM)Maize Wrote:  Welcome back quo...the only thing I quiver with is the ACC being the "runt"...in terms of media rights the ACC long term is in a stronger position then the Big XII and has a larger footprint with schools not looking to go abywhere unlike the old BIG EAST. The Big XII has a Bowl Partnership with the SEC & will make a little more $$$$ because of it size which is the smallest of the Power 5 Leagues-(much like the old BIG EAST). But make no mistake....overall both have their good & bad points so they are pretty even and both are looking up the the "Destination 3"-(B1G, pac 12 & SEC). Also remember this, with the Playoffs the "Bowls" are going to lose importance. It not going to be about the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or the Chik-Fil-A Bowl but the CFP Semifinals & Title Game.

Thanks Maize. 04-cheers

My point is that structurally, the ACC is clearly the weakest of the P5 because whereas the other four get $40 million for their Rose/Sugar tie-ins, the ACC gets $27.5 million for its Orange tie-in.

As for media rights, Big 12 schools will be making $25 million per year for the next decade while ACC schools will be making $20 million per year for the next decade.

Overall, the ACC has the lowest-paying media deal and lowest-paying bowl situation, so i do not see how they are not the runt of the P5 litter.
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RE: Notre Dame screws the B1G again!
(04-25-2013 08:05 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  There does not seem to be anything one dimensional

The BIG 10 Champion plays the PAC 12 champion
The SEC champion plays the B12 champion
The ACC champion plays the best second place team from the Big 10,B12,SEC or the PAC 12.Thats a real difference and not imagined.

How often do you think the SEC champion will play the Big 12 champion?
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(04-24-2013 12:57 PM)MiamiWolv Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

The ACC survived, but winning the war is a major stretch. It may turn into the premier basketball conference, but its pretty enconsched as the 5th best football conference for the forseeable future.

Further, while adding Syracuse helps give the ACC a presence in the Northeast with BC, the B1G has a stranglehold the mid-atlantic region of Maryland, New Jersey and Pennsylvania (PSU).

Well, the ACC/B1G challenges should be exciting for the next several years.

Lets be realistic , the Big 10 didn't get any big thing adding Rutgers, and Maryland. If those 2 schools really added value, they wouldn't both be hemorrhaging money lost by the bucketful. The 2 expansions the Big 10 made before were well thought out, Penn State, Nebraska. This expansion was a direct result of Notre Dame going to the ACC, and the Big 10 felt they needed to respond. The response was a weak one.
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RE: Notre Dame screws the B1G again!
(04-25-2013 10:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 03:50 AM)Maize Wrote:  Welcome back quo...the only thing I quiver with is the ACC being the "runt"...in terms of media rights the ACC long term is in a stronger position then the Big XII and has a larger footprint with schools not looking to go abywhere unlike the old BIG EAST. The Big XII has a Bowl Partnership with the SEC & will make a little more $$$$ because of it size which is the smallest of the Power 5 Leagues-(much like the old BIG EAST). But make no mistake....overall both have their good & bad points so they are pretty even and both are looking up the the "Destination 3"-(B1G, pac 12 & SEC). Also remember this, with the Playoffs the "Bowls" are going to lose importance. It not going to be about the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or the Chik-Fil-A Bowl but the CFP Semifinals & Title Game.

Thanks Maize. 04-cheers

My point is that structurally, the ACC is clearly the weakest of the P5 because whereas the other four get $40 million for their Rose/Sugar tie-ins, the ACC gets $27.5 million for its Orange tie-in.

As for media rights, Big 12 schools will be making $25 million per year for the next decade while ACC schools will be making $20 million per year for the next decade.

Overall, the ACC has the lowest-paying media deal and lowest-paying bowl situation, so i do not see how they are not the runt of the P5 litter.

1. Maybe not. If the OB pays out $55 million every year, if the ACC keeps all $55 million when it hosts, and if ND plays in it twice, then the ACC gets almost exactly $40 million/yr on average.

2. No. The Big XII gets $20 million plus retained 3rd tier rights that are worth about $2 million more than ACC retained rights on avaerage. However, after the conference takes its cut, the Big XII pays out $18.18/school year and the ACC will pay out about $18.92/school/year. That means that the actual difference is about .26-1.26/school/yr in media rights, assuming that the ACC doesn't find a way to get more money out of its 3rd tier rights (i.e. commit to forming a aprtnerhsi with ESPN in the form of a network).

We are very much in line with the Pac-12 and the Big XII, but will will probs be behind the B1G and the SEC. However, we won't be hopelessly behind them.
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RE: Notre Dame screws the B1G again!
(04-25-2013 12:25 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 10:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 03:50 AM)Maize Wrote:  Welcome back quo...the only thing I quiver with is the ACC being the "runt"...in terms of media rights the ACC long term is in a stronger position then the Big XII and has a larger footprint with schools not looking to go abywhere unlike the old BIG EAST. The Big XII has a Bowl Partnership with the SEC & will make a little more $$$$ because of it size which is the smallest of the Power 5 Leagues-(much like the old BIG EAST). But make no mistake....overall both have their good & bad points so they are pretty even and both are looking up the the "Destination 3"-(B1G, pac 12 & SEC). Also remember this, with the Playoffs the "Bowls" are going to lose importance. It not going to be about the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or the Chik-Fil-A Bowl but the CFP Semifinals & Title Game.

Thanks Maize. 04-cheers

My point is that structurally, the ACC is clearly the weakest of the P5 because whereas the other four get $40 million for their Rose/Sugar tie-ins, the ACC gets $27.5 million for its Orange tie-in.

As for media rights, Big 12 schools will be making $25 million per year for the next decade while ACC schools will be making $20 million per year for the next decade.

Overall, the ACC has the lowest-paying media deal and lowest-paying bowl situation, so i do not see how they are not the runt of the P5 litter.

1. Maybe not. If the OB pays out $55 million every year, if the ACC keeps all $55 million when it hosts, and if ND plays in it twice, then the ACC gets almost exactly $40 million/yr on average.

2. No. The Big XII gets $20 million plus retained 3rd tier rights that are worth about $2 million more than ACC retained rights on avaerage. However, after the conference takes its cut, the Big XII pays out $18.18/school year and the ACC will pay out about $18.92/school/year. That means that the actual difference is about .26-1.26/school/yr in media rights, assuming that the ACC doesn't find a way to get more money out of its 3rd tier rights (i.e. commit to forming a aprtnerhsi with ESPN in the form of a network).

We are very much in line with the Pac-12 and the Big XII, but will will probs be behind the B1G and the SEC, but we won't be hopelessly behind them.

I see we have a ton of reeducation to do over here as most of the neutral posters have been propagandized by the WV Scout Board.
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RE: Notre Dame screws the B1G again!
(04-25-2013 11:14 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-25-2013 08:05 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  There does not seem to be anything one dimensional

The BIG 10 Champion plays the PAC 12 champion
The SEC champion plays the B12 champion
The ACC champion plays the best second place team from the Big 10,B12,SEC or the PAC 12.Thats a real difference and not imagined.

How often do you think the SEC champion will play the Big 12 champion?

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(04-24-2013 06:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 06:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 04:16 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 04:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 03:51 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Given that B1G games are already splashed throughout ESPN and ESPN2, it's difficult to say the B1G "nearly doubled the number of eyeballs" with Maryland and Rutgers. They added a few eyeballs, yes, but they didn't double with UMD and Rutgers.
More people will watch Maryland play B1G teams than ever watched the Terps playing UNC, GT, Clemson, or most of the rest of the ACC. By the same token, more folks in New Jersey will tune in to see Rutgers playing B1G teams than ever watched them playing in The BEast. If you think otherwise, you're not thinking...
But Bit, Do more folks watch WVU now in the Big XII than when they were in the Big East? If you are correct here, then Rutgers must have some luke warm fans...
Most schools have luke warm fans. It's only a select few programs that have huge stadiums that are full no matter what kind of season they're having. WVU's home attendance fluctuates on an annual basis, depending on how their season is going. So does most of the rest of the nation. Not every school can be Nebraska, selling out their stadium every year for nearly half a century...

Look at Mizzou's attendance. It goes up and down based on their success on the field. This past season was an anomaly. But I think SEC fans traveling to Mizzou had as much to do with that as anything else. I doubt Mizzou fans will keep coming in huge numbers if they keep having seasons like last season in the SEC. They'll need to improve, or the attendance will drop...
Maybe so, but the SEC is more exciting to Mizzou fans than some of the former venues. We will see if the sellouts continue in Lincoln as well .04-cheers My point was that WVU fans would watch no matter what the conference affiliation was. Why would Rutgers all of the sudden have new fans? I doubt that Missouri gained or lost any fans with the SEC move.

There will be more Rutgers fans or people paying some kind of attention because instead of playing Uconn or USF (no offense to either) Rutgers will be playing Michigan or Ohio State at home every single year.

It's a huge deal and this part of the country has never had seriously big time college football before.

I'm in New York City and I already have met a couple of B10 alumni who have bought Rutgers season tickets for themselves and for business associates who are also B10 alums.

This is just unheard of. Seriously.

I hope Rutgers acquits itself on the field.
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