LSU-Clemson, prime time on 12/31: 4.8 rating.

Louisville-Florida, prime time on 1/2: 6.2.

Oregon-KSU, prime time on 1/3: 7.4.

TAMU-OU, prime time on 1/4: 7.2.

The numbers don't lie. If you switched LSU-Clemson to 1/2 and played (for example) Louisville-Florida on 12/31, the LSU-Clemson game would have had the higher TV rating.

Only a national semifinal will improve on those LSU-Clemson ratings on 12/31, and even if it does, they'd still get better ratings by playing all of the semis on 1/1 or 1/2.

(04-25-2013 02:48 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  What they'll be airing between Jan 2 and the NC- to me this will be where you find some bowls like the Cap One Bowl, Gator, etc.

Of course that's what ESPN will be showing in those time slots. And games like the Cap One in prime time on Jan. 2 or 3 will get better TV ratings than those CFP/BCS games on Dec. 31.

A prime time game on Jan. 2 or 3 between a ranked SEC team and a ranked Big Ten team will get better TV ratings than the early game on Dec. 31, and depending on the matchups, might get better ratings than all of the games on Dec. 31. Which means that the CFP/BCS folks are making a big mistake by putting three of their games in less-attractive time slots on Dec. 31 while leaving the more attractive post-Jan. 1 time slots, that will get better TV ratings, to the Cap One/Holiday/Alamo/Outback level of games.

The post Jan 1 time slots have NOT been getting good ratings. They just haven't. Of all the lowest BCS rated games, a huge majority were non NYD games in the last few years.

A lot of the ratings drop has to do with the fact that the games went to ESPN instead of ABC.

not really. In the 4 years on the chart- all the games except for the title game and the Rose Bowl have had a year on ESPN where the rating was either close to or actually above the last year on ABC.

(04-25-2013 02:49 PM)Wedge Wrote:  LSU-Clemson, prime time on 12/31: 4.8 rating.

Louisville-Florida, prime time on 1/2: 6.2.

Oregon-KSU, prime time on 1/3: 7.4.

TAMU-OU, prime time on 1/4: 7.2.

The numbers don't lie. If you switched LSU-Clemson to 1/2 and played (for example) Louisville-Florida on 12/31, the LSU-Clemson game would have had the higher TV rating.

Only a national semifinal will improve on those LSU-Clemson ratings on 12/31, and even if it does, they'd still get better ratings by playing all of the semis on 1/1 or 1/2.

2 things-
1- the game on NYE night would have been Florida St/Georgia- a game with 2 top 10 schools. Clemson was coming off a blowout loss. Yeah, i think they would do better than LSU/Clemson did.
2- folks will adjust. Do you really believe that folks aren't going to watch the SF?

(04-25-2013 02:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:48 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  What they'll be airing between Jan 2 and the NC- to me this will be where you find some bowls like the Cap One Bowl, Gator, etc.

Of course that's what ESPN will be showing in those time slots. And games like the Cap One in prime time on Jan. 2 or 3 will get better TV ratings than those CFP/BCS games on Dec. 31.

A prime time game on Jan. 2 or 3 between a ranked SEC team and a ranked Big Ten team will get better TV ratings than the early game on Dec. 31, and depending on the matchups, might get better ratings than all of the games on Dec. 31. Which means that the CFP/BCS folks are making a big mistake by putting three of their games in less-attractive time slots on Dec. 31 while leaving the more attractive post-Jan. 1 time slots, that will get better TV ratings, to the Cap One/Holiday/Alamo/Outback level of games.

The post Jan 1 time slots have NOT been getting good ratings. They just haven't. Of all the lowest BCS rated games, a huge majority were non NYD games in the last few years.

A lot of the ratings drop has to do with the fact that the games went to ESPN instead of ABC.

not really. In the 4 years on the chart- all the games except for the title game and the Rose Bowl have had a year on ESPN where the rating was either close to or actually above the last year on ABC.

Yes really. It's hard to show any growth when you cut out a few million households from possibly watching it. The ratings numbers haven't dropped as much as the number of viewers. Even the Fiesta bowl that had a better rating than the last year on ABC had fewer viewers.

It's a factor. And a big one, but ESPN keeps doling out the cash, so they take it.

(04-25-2013 02:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  What they'll be airing between Jan 2 and the NC- to me this will be where you find some bowls like the Cap One Bowl, Gator, etc.

Of course that's what ESPN will be showing in those time slots. And games like the Cap One in prime time on Jan. 2 or 3 will get better TV ratings than those CFP/BCS games on Dec. 31.

A prime time game on Jan. 2 or 3 between a ranked SEC team and a ranked Big Ten team will get better TV ratings than the early game on Dec. 31, and depending on the matchups, might get better ratings than all of the games on Dec. 31. Which means that the CFP/BCS folks are making a big mistake by putting three of their games in less-attractive time slots on Dec. 31 while leaving the more attractive post-Jan. 1 time slots, that will get better TV ratings, to the Cap One/Holiday/Alamo/Outback level of games.

The post Jan 1 time slots have NOT been getting good ratings. They just haven't. Of all the lowest BCS rated games, a huge majority were non NYD games in the last few years.

The Jan 2/3/4 games get excellent ratings compared to any games played on Dec. 31, which is the whole point here.

It's true that the Jan 2/3/4 games have ratings well below those of the Rose and the BCS title game (and usually any BCS bowl played on Jan 1 after the Rose), but that doesn't change the fact that the Jan 2/3/4 prime time windows are better than the Dec. 31 windows. The numbers don't lie.

Here are the numbers to bear that out: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2013/01/...he-charts/

Clearly, ESPN believes that with semifinal games and other strong matchups, the ratings will improve dramatically over recent NYE games (Chick-fil-A, Sun, Liberty, Music City) and that the ratings for this stronger lineup would be better on NYE than on January 2, 3, 4. If you consider that the Sun and Liberty combined for a 4.4 rating with relatively weak matchups, ESPN's theory does seem plausible. I might still be inclined to move the NYE 1 pm game to January 2 or 3.

ESPN may also be calculating in the value of moving second tier bowls into the former BCS time slots on January 2, 3, and 4, such as the Gator, Outback, etc.

(04-25-2013 02:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  despite last years ratings the BCS non NYD ratings have in years past gone into the tank. The system was broke. I mean the Orange 2 years ago got a 4.5 rating and the Sugar got a 6.1 rating. the Orange the last 4 years has NEVER broken even a 7 rating. the best ratings non NYD were like a 8.5. Playing BCS games on non NYD days was an epic fail.

What they'll be airing between Jan 2 and the NC- to me this will be where you find some bowls like the Cap One Bowl, Gator, etc.

I don't think they will allow that anymore. They set a last date for bowls. Not 100% sure, but I don't think any other than the championship are allowed after the NYD holiday (1/1 or 1/2 if it falls on Sunday).

(04-25-2013 03:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  despite last years ratings the BCS non NYD ratings have in years past gone into the tank. The system was broke. I mean the Orange 2 years ago got a 4.5 rating and the Sugar got a 6.1 rating. the Orange the last 4 years has NEVER broken even a 7 rating. the best ratings non NYD were like a 8.5. Playing BCS games on non NYD days was an epic fail.

What they'll be airing between Jan 2 and the NC- to me this will be where you find some bowls like the Cap One Bowl, Gator, etc.

I don't think they will allow that anymore. They set a last date for bowls. Not 100% sure, but I don't think any other than the championship are allowed after the NYD holiday (1/1 or 1/2 if it falls on Sunday).

Legally they could never enforce this. And ESPN will want those other games for those days after NYD but before the title game.

(04-25-2013 03:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  despite last years ratings the BCS non NYD ratings have in years past gone into the tank. The system was broke. I mean the Orange 2 years ago got a 4.5 rating and the Sugar got a 6.1 rating. the Orange the last 4 years has NEVER broken even a 7 rating. the best ratings non NYD were like a 8.5. Playing BCS games on non NYD days was an epic fail.

What they'll be airing between Jan 2 and the NC- to me this will be where you find some bowls like the Cap One Bowl, Gator, etc.

I don't think they will allow that anymore. They set a last date for bowls. Not 100% sure, but I don't think any other than the championship are allowed after the NYD holiday (1/1 or 1/2 if it falls on Sunday).

Legally they could never enforce this. And ESPN will want those other games for those days after NYD but before the title game.

Of course they can. They certify the bowls. They choose whether or not to make the links with the bowls.

Actually they said today that other bowls will not be precluded from running during the CFP bowl slots. That sounds to me like the Cap One, Gator, and other NYE/NYD bowls will still have spots on those traditional days.

(04-25-2013 03:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  despite last years ratings the BCS non NYD ratings have in years past gone into the tank. The system was broke. I mean the Orange 2 years ago got a 4.5 rating and the Sugar got a 6.1 rating. the Orange the last 4 years has NEVER broken even a 7 rating. the best ratings non NYD were like a 8.5. Playing BCS games on non NYD days was an epic fail.

What they'll be airing between Jan 2 and the NC- to me this will be where you find some bowls like the Cap One Bowl, Gator, etc.

I don't think they will allow that anymore. They set a last date for bowls. Not 100% sure, but I don't think any other than the championship are allowed after the NYD holiday (1/1 or 1/2 if it falls on Sunday).

Legally they could never enforce this. And ESPN will want those other games for those days after NYD but before the title game.

Of course they can. They certify the bowls. They choose whether or not to make the links with the bowls.

the college football playoff doesn't certify the bowls- the NCAA does.

(04-25-2013 03:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  despite last years ratings the BCS non NYD ratings have in years past gone into the tank. The system was broke. I mean the Orange 2 years ago got a 4.5 rating and the Sugar got a 6.1 rating. the Orange the last 4 years has NEVER broken even a 7 rating. the best ratings non NYD were like a 8.5. Playing BCS games on non NYD days was an epic fail.

What they'll be airing between Jan 2 and the NC- to me this will be where you find some bowls like the Cap One Bowl, Gator, etc.

I don't think they will allow that anymore. They set a last date for bowls. Not 100% sure, but I don't think any other than the championship are allowed after the NYD holiday (1/1 or 1/2 if it falls on Sunday).

Legally they could never enforce this. And ESPN will want those other games for those days after NYD but before the title game.

Of course they can. They certify the bowls. They choose whether or not to make the links with the bowls.

the college football playoff doesn't certify the bowls- the NCAA does.

And who runs the NCAA?-the schools who setup the playoff.

(04-25-2013 03:16 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Actually they said today that other bowls will not be precluded from running during the CFP bowl slots. That sounds to me like the Cap One, Gator, and other NYE/NYD bowls will still have spots on those traditional days.

That was known. But can they do it in the interim period between the NYD games and the championship game? And I believe they decided not to allow that.

(04-24-2013 09:44 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Was just checking out http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com and noted that it lists the Orange Bowl as being played on 12/31 every year in the first three year cycle, including the two years that it is not hosting a semifinal.

Has anyone heard anything about this?

Personally, I think the OB should be moved to January 2nd or 3rd in years when it is not hosting a semifinal, i.e. the old BCS timeslots. It seems more likely to me that January 2nd or 3rd would be a stronger time slot than New Year's Eve.

This is why Orlando back out of the bidding war to host it.

(04-25-2013 03:56 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:44 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Was just checking out http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com and noted that it lists the Orange Bowl as being played on 12/31 every year in the first three year cycle, including the two years that it is not hosting a semifinal.

Has anyone heard anything about this?

Personally, I think the OB should be moved to January 2nd or 3rd in years when it is not hosting a semifinal, i.e. the old BCS timeslots. It seems more likely to me that January 2nd or 3rd would be a stronger time slot than New Year's Eve.

This is why Orlando back out of the bidding war to host it.

Actually, Orlando backed out because the RFP included the constraint that the venue could not host another bowl within a two week window around the semifinal (7 days prior and 7 days after), so Orlando would have to lose the Cap One Bowl and Russell Athletic Bowl to do that. They chose to keep those two bowls instead. The RFP also included language that the TV revenue would not be paid to the bowl and that the bowl would only benefit from ticket sales and other economic impact. Same for the NCG RFP.

(04-25-2013 03:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 03:16 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Actually they said today that other bowls will not be precluded from running during the CFP bowl slots. That sounds to me like the Cap One, Gator, and other NYE/NYD bowls will still have spots on those traditional days.

That was known. But can they do it in the interim period between the NYD games and the championship game? And I believe they decided not to allow that.

I don't believe that any other bowls will be precluded from other time slots. The move of the major games to the NYE/NYD pair was to consolidate those games. I think the days between NYD and the NCG will have some minor bowls, but probably not many. We shall see.

Why would you want the lesser bowls to anchor prime time windows on those dead weeknights? Why would the presidents agree to that? That means you'd have to convince people to extend their Holidays by taking additional days off to travel down to the bowls for a couple of days. That is not how you sell tickets. Especially when the teams involved do not have as big a following as the Ohio St's and Michigan's of the world. Now if you were to tell me only the brand names will be appearing in those Bowls then fine, but we are talking about second tier bowls so those "brands" already in the BCS rotation would be unavailable. So even if the "brand names" are involved, they will be on down years if they are relegated to such bowls. Fan would be apathetic. Now replace those "potential" schools with middle of the road clubs, and you exacerbate the problem of generating disinterest, leading to poor ticket sales and ratings. It's pretty obvious. You need big bowls after New Year's to maximize revenue.

I think part of things is that the revenue they already have from the new college football playoff is more than they had in ALL of the bowls prior. I mean, BCS was paying out like 185 million a year, and then the other 30 games at say 150 million- equals 350 millions(rounding up). The new playoff is paying out like 600 million a year before any other games.

(04-26-2013 10:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think part of things is that the revenue they already have from the new college football playoff is more than they had in ALL of the bowls prior. I mean, BCS was paying out like 185 million a year, and then the other 30 games at say 150 million- equals 350 millions(rounding up). The new playoff is paying out like 600 million a year before any other games.

That's because they are adding a freaking playoff. We are talking about bottom line, and that's all that matters to anyone in charge of this. They are thinking they can preserve tradition. Hell there is nothing wrong with two SF games on 1/1. But the Rose and Sugar want to preserve tradition by hogging those slots annually and keeping all the revenue associated from that TV window to themselves. They are excluding the other semi-final bowls from going there. So what's the next best date? New Year's Eve, I agree with that. In the long term, I think the SF's are just going to be played every Saturday before the Monday of the following week of the NC game. That's the most logical way to do it, regardless of day in the year.

What is evident is that 1 pm ET games aren't going to sell. It's freaking 10 in the morning on the Pacific. People are hung over, or out of town with family. Nobody is watching those games, especially on New Year's eve. Explain to me why ESPN is going to throw away a 3-4 hour window for a Bowl game when such a game can be aired in prime time and double its rating?

Right the bottom line is that they are able to play everything on 12/31 and 1/1 and get paid 250 million more than the entire system before.

I think for one- the 1pm NYE slot will probably most years "feature" the G5 school. ESPN treating it almost as a throw away. The 1pm NYD slot which used to be Cap One bowl land has always done really good ratings- no reason why that won't continue.

(04-25-2013 03:16 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Actually they said today that other bowls will not be precluded from running during the CFP bowl slots. That sounds to me like the Cap One, Gator, and other NYE/NYD bowls will still have spots on those traditional days.

On which network? Given the amount of money paid for TV rights to the playoff and associated bowls, it's unlikely that ESPN is going to cannibalize its own audience for the 1 pm ET CFP bowl on 1/1 on ESPN by airing the Cap One or Gator at the same time on ESPN2. If ESPN continues to hold the TV rights for those games, they'll air them in other time slots, the most obvious candidates being prime time on 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, etc.

If Fox or one of the other networks acquires TV rights for good non-CFP bowls, then they might program them opposite ESPN's CFP telecasts. Fox made a pitch the other day and let the bowl game poohbahs know that Fox is interested in acquiring bowl games for FS1 when existing contracts run out.