(04-25-2013 06:46 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Still think if AAC wants a good bowl for its champion, it's going to have to create one with a big hitter sponsorship. Otherwise it's all tier 3 bowls, maybe Liberty. The P5 want no part of the AAC, and will work the bowl system to be as such. I know it's not as simple as dialing up FedEx and renting out a stadium but efforting a new bowl as the AAC's premier bowl is the only option we have, IMO.

I agree. It's the best possible vehicle to attract a relatively high selection from a power conference. Problem is--that's a bold and innovative move. Aresco and this group of presidents are the most conservative and timid conference leadership in FBS. I just can't see them doing this. It's what really effective AAC leadership would do. I just don't think this group has that much moxie and vision. I think this timid group of mice will just take what crumbs falls to them and claim that's all they could do. Just look at the MW. Thompson is running rings around Aresco. Thompson is working for a Pac12 scheduling agreement and a new bowl vs the Pac12 (or Big10) in LA. Banowsky has already secured the Heart of Dallas Bowl for CUSA. These guys are 5 moves ahead of the AAC leadership.

(04-25-2013 06:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 06:46 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Still think if AAC wants a good bowl for its champion, it's going to have to create one with a big hitter sponsorship. Otherwise it's all tier 3 bowls, maybe Liberty. The P5 want no part of the AAC, and will work the bowl system to be as such. I know it's not as simple as dialing up FedEx and renting out a stadium but efforting a new bowl as the AAC's premier bowl is the only option we have, IMO.

I agree. It's the best possible vehicle to attract a relatively high selection from a power conference. Problem is--that's a bold and innovative move. Aresco and this group of presidents are the most conservative and timid conference leadership in FBS. I just can't see them doing this. It's what really effective AAC leadership would do. I just don't think this group has that much moxie and vision. I think this timid group of mice will just take what crumbs falls to them and claim that's all they could do. Just look at the MW. Thompson is running rings around Aresco. Thompson is working for a Pac12 scheduling agreement and a new bowl vs the Pac12 (or Big10) in LA. Banowsky has already secured the Heart of Dallas Bowl for CUSA. These guys are 5 moves ahead of the AAC leadership.

Wish I could disagree with at least some of this, but I can't. Aresco has been an awful leader and there's little hope he can come up with the bold thinking needed to get us a good bowl situation for our AAC champ.

(04-25-2013 06:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 11:59 AM)orangefan Wrote:  My guess is that the Capital One will be happy to extend its current contracts with the SEC and B1G to take their top non-CFP school. Since both conferences have frequently placed two school in the BCS, in many years, they will get the same matchup that they did under the BCS system. In some years, they may be knocked down a notch. However, the impact of this may be offset by the expansion of both conferences to 14 schools. I would expect the Capital One to maintain its status as the top non-BCS/CFP bowl.

Another interesting question about the CapOne Bowl is when will it be played? Will it go head to head with the CFP on New Year's Day (possibly televised on ABC with a CFP game on ESPN), or move to one of the prime time slots vacated by the former BCS bowls on 1/2, 1/3 and 1/4?

I note that both the ACC and B12 are losing their number one non-BCS bowl to the CFP, the Chick-fil-A and Cotton respectively. I look for the ACC to partner with the Gator Bowl as a replacement for the Chick-fil-A. Given the SEC's loss of the Cotton and Chick-fil-A, I could see them continuing their affiliation with the Gator as the ACC's opponent.

You think the B1G is going to give up its Gator slot? I'm not so sure. It's a good-paying bowl, good location, and lots of history.

The Chick-fil-a has been the best attended non-BCS bowl for several years with the ACC 2 v SEC 3/4 and has been in the top 3 in television ratings among non-BCS bowls, and that's without Notre Dame in the ACC pool. Many of the Winningest and best traveling ACC programs are within driving distance of Jacksonville. Since dropping the ACC and switching to a matchup between the SEC 6 and B1G 4/5, on the other hand, the Gator has suffered more than a 50% drop in TV ratings. I get your thinking, but the fling between the B1G and Gator seems to be a bust. It could be that selecting their matchup after so many other bowls leaves slim pickings. Whatever the reason, I would think the Gator would be pleased to take over the former Chick-fil-a matchup.

(04-25-2013 02:23 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 11:53 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 11:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The cap one bowl has to be one of the biggest losers in the new playoff system. It has long been the highest paying non-BCS bowl, getting the highest rated B1G and SEC team not in the BCS.

But not anymore. The new 6 bowl semifinals rotation excludes the Cap One but includes two other bowls with SEC ties, the chikfila and cotton bowls, so the cap one is effectivly now behind them. Also, the SEC and B1G now have a rotating tie to the Orange Bowl too, which also supersedes the cap one.

So with the cap one likely to have access to around the 5th, mayne even 6th, SEC team, what does it do? Keep that SEC tie or bid for say the top Big 12 team outside the plauodffs and new BCS-semifinals bowls?

I've been the both, the Peach Bowl is far and away a better bowl than the Capital One IMO. Its in a bad area, the stadium is run down, and the game never sells out. Peach Bowl is a blast and top notch all the way. Good riddance.

As an Orlando resident and UCF fan I agree completely. Ask any UCF fan and they'll tell you that the Citrus Bowl is lovingly called "The Citrus Dump". Terrible neighborhood, old stadium, new "faux turf" field however and the city of Orlando just approved a $120 million upgrade to the stadium, which most people disagree with. Most of us would prefer a better location and a new stadium. Most folks have heartburn with spending that kind of money on a facility that only gets used a couple of times a year, and is controlled by Florida Citrus Sports (AKA Florida Gator grad club). Especially since FCS basically kicked UCF out of the Citrus Bowl when is previously upgraded, which forced UCF to build an OCS. A blessing in disguise as it turns out, and FCS never forgave/forgot that UCF moved on. I'd personally like that stadium to burn to the ground, and FCS be gone from Orlando.

Yeah. There are some really great places in Orlando and that is not it.

Excited to come check out UCF's new place this season, I'm hoping to make it down.

(04-25-2013 07:11 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 06:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 11:59 AM)orangefan Wrote:  My guess is that the Capital One will be happy to extend its current contracts with the SEC and B1G to take their top non-CFP school. Since both conferences have frequently placed two school in the BCS, in many years, they will get the same matchup that they did under the BCS system. In some years, they may be knocked down a notch. However, the impact of this may be offset by the expansion of both conferences to 14 schools. I would expect the Capital One to maintain its status as the top non-BCS/CFP bowl.

Another interesting question about the CapOne Bowl is when will it be played? Will it go head to head with the CFP on New Year's Day (possibly televised on ABC with a CFP game on ESPN), or move to one of the prime time slots vacated by the former BCS bowls on 1/2, 1/3 and 1/4?

I note that both the ACC and B12 are losing their number one non-BCS bowl to the CFP, the Chick-fil-A and Cotton respectively. I look for the ACC to partner with the Gator Bowl as a replacement for the Chick-fil-A. Given the SEC's loss of the Cotton and Chick-fil-A, I could see them continuing their affiliation with the Gator as the ACC's opponent.

You think the B1G is going to give up its Gator slot? I'm not so sure. It's a good-paying bowl, good location, and lots of history.

The Chick-fil-a has been the best attended non-BCS bowl for several years with the ACC 2 v SEC 3/4 and has been in the top 3 in television ratings among non-BCS bowls, and that's without Notre Dame in the ACC pool. Many of the Winningest and best traveling ACC programs are within driving distance of Jacksonville. Since dropping the ACC and switching to a matchup between the SEC 6 and B1G 4/5, on the other hand, the Gator has suffered more than a 50% drop in TV ratings. I get your thinking, but the fling between the B1G and Gator seems to be a bust. It could be that selecting their matchup after so many other bowls leaves slim pickings. Whatever the reason, I would think the Gator would be pleased to take over the former Chick-fil-a matchup.

I see your thinking as well, and B1G fans have not flocked to attend the Gator bowl either. I guess we will have to wait and see how it shakes out.

Remember, the ACC can now dangle Notre Dame for the non CFP Bowls...Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, NC State, UNC & Louisville have very strong fan travel bases.

(04-26-2013 12:01 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:23 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 11:53 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 11:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The cap one bowl has to be one of the biggest losers in the new playoff system. It has long been the highest paying non-BCS bowl, getting the highest rated B1G and SEC team not in the BCS.

But not anymore. The new 6 bowl semifinals rotation excludes the Cap One but includes two other bowls with SEC ties, the chikfila and cotton bowls, so the cap one is effectivly now behind them. Also, the SEC and B1G now have a rotating tie to the Orange Bowl too, which also supersedes the cap one.

So with the cap one likely to have access to around the 5th, mayne even 6th, SEC team, what does it do? Keep that SEC tie or bid for say the top Big 12 team outside the plauodffs and new BCS-semifinals bowls?

I've been the both, the Peach Bowl is far and away a better bowl than the Capital One IMO. Its in a bad area, the stadium is run down, and the game never sells out. Peach Bowl is a blast and top notch all the way. Good riddance.

As an Orlando resident and UCF fan I agree completely. Ask any UCF fan and they'll tell you that the Citrus Bowl is lovingly called "The Citrus Dump". Terrible neighborhood, old stadium, new "faux turf" field however and the city of Orlando just approved a $120 million upgrade to the stadium, which most people disagree with. Most of us would prefer a better location and a new stadium. Most folks have heartburn with spending that kind of money on a facility that only gets used a couple of times a year, and is controlled by Florida Citrus Sports (AKA Florida Gator grad club). Especially since FCS basically kicked UCF out of the Citrus Bowl when is previously upgraded, which forced UCF to build an OCS. A blessing in disguise as it turns out, and FCS never forgave/forgot that UCF moved on. I'd personally like that stadium to burn to the ground, and FCS be gone from Orlando.

Yeah. There are some really great places in Orlando and that is not it.

Excited to come check out UCF's new place this season, I'm hoping to make it down.

When you get here for the game, make sure you experience the tailgating. The memory mall is packed with students and alum alike and is worth seeing. Some might give you a hard time, but just as many will invite you to join them and offer you a beer, or somethng stronger. I hope you enjoy your visit. I know UCF and its fans are excited to host the Gamecocks.

The Cap1 bowl will do just fine. They already were the highest paying non BCS bowl. Assuming their payout stays close to where it was they will get one of, if not the best non playoff cartel spot. They still will have money, location, and soon an updated stadium to sell.

Doesn't matter how they end up the self annointed Power 5 will end having bowl games that only match each other as opponents. Any bowl that doesn't get one of those matchups will have a tough decision. Either lower the payout because of decreased ticket sales and TV rights or fold. Either way, the non contract bowl conferences will see smaller revenue and fewer bowl options.

(04-27-2013 10:31 AM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  Doesn't matter how they end up the self annointed Power 5 will end having bowl games that only match each other as opponents. Any bowl that doesn't get one of those matchups will have a tough decision. Either lower the payout because of decreased ticket sales and TV rights or fold. Either way, the non contract bowl conferences will see smaller revenue and fewer bowl options.

The MAC currently has one tie in with the Big Ten, right near the bottom of the Big Ten pick list, and with the vagaries of records and NCAA sanctions it has a Big Ten team in it less than half of the time. The Mountain West has an 8 pick with the Pac-12.

I'd expect the Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and ACC to each have one tie in along the lines of "fill it if that many of our schools are bowl eligible" with a Group of Five conference, but that doesn't mean four Group of Five conference will have one, since the Big12 and Pac-12 might have theirs with the MWC.

(04-27-2013 10:31 AM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  Doesn't matter how they end up the self annointed Power 5 will end having bowl games that only match each other as opponents. Any bowl that doesn't get one of those matchups will have a tough decision. Either lower the payout because of decreased ticket sales and TV rights or fold. Either way, the non contract bowl conferences will see smaller revenue and fewer bowl options.

Its already pretty much all AQ vs AQ bowls and non-AQ vs non-AQ bowls anyway. Theres just a handful of AQ vs non-AQ bowls. By the way, the non-AQ bowls arent going away. They are all ESPN owned and serve as made for TV programming for the ESPN family. In fact, what Ive heard is that a couple of new bowls are likley on the way to reflect the recent growth of the FBS division.

Orlando has never been proactive when it comes to sports.

(04-27-2013 05:12 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Orlando has never been proactive when it comes to sports.

As a Florida transplant, originally from OK, I've always felt that Orlando's leadership has leaned too heavily on their "choice location" to get by with these bowl games. I think that attitude is changing now as you see stadiums such as the new Cowbiys stadium that is throwing their hat into the college bowl game world. Orlando better catch up, because that geographical advantage might not be enough in the near future.

(04-25-2013 06:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 06:46 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Still think if AAC wants a good bowl for its champion, it's going to have to create one with a big hitter sponsorship. Otherwise it's all tier 3 bowls, maybe Liberty. The P5 want no part of the AAC, and will work the bowl system to be as such. I know it's not as simple as dialing up FedEx and renting out a stadium but efforting a new bowl as the AAC's premier bowl is the only option we have, IMO.

I agree. It's the best possible vehicle to attract a relatively high selection from a power conference. Problem is--that's a bold and innovative move. Aresco and this group of presidents are the most conservative and timid conference leadership in FBS. I just can't see them doing this. It's what really effective AAC leadership would do. I just don't think this group has that much moxie and vision. I think this timid group of mice will just take what crumbs falls to them and claim that's all they could do. Just look at the MW. Thompson is running rings around Aresco. Thompson is working for a Pac12 scheduling agreement and a new bowl vs the Pac12 (or Big10) in LA. Banowsky has already secured the Heart of Dallas Bowl for CUSA. These guys are 5 moves ahead of the AAC leadership.

As much as I hate to admit it, you are probably dead on accurate with this post. I get the impression that there are certainly enough bowls to accommodate us with the 6 or so we'll need... but we'll have to wait until the Big 5 take theirs, and then repopulate with what's left. Que sera sera.

(04-27-2013 03:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 10:31 AM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  Doesn't matter how they end up the self annointed Power 5 will end having bowl games that only match each other as opponents. Any bowl that doesn't get one of those matchups will have a tough decision. Either lower the payout because of decreased ticket sales and TV rights or fold. Either way, the non contract bowl conferences will see smaller revenue and fewer bowl options.

Its already pretty much all AQ vs AQ bowls and non-AQ vs non-AQ bowls anyway. Theres just a handful of AQ vs non-AQ bowls. By the way, the non-AQ bowls arent going away. They are all ESPN owned and serve as made for TV programming for the ESPN family. In fact, what Ive heard is that a couple of new bowls are likley on the way to reflect the recent growth of the FBS division.

As much as people grouse about 'too many' bowls, this would be great. Past the top tier bowls anyway, they are just exhibitions or 2 team tournaments... which is fine. Add enough so all the .500 teams can play a bowl during the holidays. They are for the players, students and fans anyway... people can not watch if they don't like them.

This may open up the spot for us to start a champions bowl. And if we lose our Orlando bowl, starting up the Cure bowl at BHNS would be brilliant. With this and the St. Pete, every year, four of our fanbases can get a Florida trip during the holidays. I think I read somewhere that the Cure folks are still going to push for it.

(04-28-2013 12:03 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 03:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-27-2013 10:31 AM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  Doesn't matter how they end up the self annointed Power 5 will end having bowl games that only match each other as opponents. Any bowl that doesn't get one of those matchups will have a tough decision. Either lower the payout because of decreased ticket sales and TV rights or fold. Either way, the non contract bowl conferences will see smaller revenue and fewer bowl options.

Its already pretty much all AQ vs AQ bowls and non-AQ vs non-AQ bowls anyway. Theres just a handful of AQ vs non-AQ bowls. By the way, the non-AQ bowls arent going away. They are all ESPN owned and serve as made for TV programming for the ESPN family. In fact, what Ive heard is that a couple of new bowls are likley on the way to reflect the recent growth of the FBS division.

As much as people grouse about 'too many' bowls, this would be great. Past the top tier bowls anyway, they are just exhibitions or 2 team tournaments... which is fine. Add enough so all the .500 teams can play a bowl during the holidays. They are for the players, students and fans anyway... people can not watch if they don't like them.

This may open up the spot for us to start a champions bowl. And if we lose our Orlando bowl, starting up the Cure bowl at BHNS would be brilliant. With this and the St. Pete, every year, four of our fanbases can get a Florida trip during the holidays. I think I read somewhere that the Cure folks are still going to push for it.

I'm going to talk out of both sides of my mouth here, but here goes. I have talked about this in another thread, about the watered down post-season in CFB, and how it's cheapened the bowl experience for fans and media. I get your point about the bowls really being about the players, etc... and I agree to a point, but there is also the excitement of going to a good bowl game because you earned it with a good/great season. Winning 6 games and going to the Beef O'Brady bowl is just a "meh" experience, and it shows in the TV numbers and fan turnout. Too many bowls are filled with these mediocre teams and have watered down the bowl experience in general, at least for me.

And before you reply with "then don't watch the games" let me agree with you, I can always switch the channel, but isn't it a shame that I'd have to do that when I love CFB so much? Isn't that the very definition of driving fans away from the game because the quality of the product has dropped?