(05-10-2013 09:44 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 08:42 AM)Maize Wrote:  1. We do know this about the SEC network/ESPN Contract...it will be owned 100% by ESPN...if the ACC Network is started up it will likely be the same. They are taking all the risk not the SEC.

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3. The only thing Slive is concerned about is the $$$$ the new league will generate. If the ACC Network works for them as long as the SEC receives the $$$ it feels it can potentially earn it not going to worry about it.

Concerning (1): How many times does it have to be said? We do not know if the SECN contract gives ESPN the power to bundle the SECN with the ACCN or not. We don't, no matter how many times you reiterate that it is 100% owned by ESPN.

Concerning (3): As i explained, there are short and long term considerations. Nobody in their right mind - including Slive- would take a small profit increase now if doing so created substantial risk of bigger losses later. That would be very poor management.

The SEC has a new national media rights deal with ESPN, but terms of that contract — which runs through 2034 — were not available. That’s a separate contract that runs concurrently with the SEC Network contract. ESPN will own the SEC channel and will share profits 50-50 with the conference, industry sources said.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...twork.aspx

He will take this deal if it is accurate...this means that ESPN while owning the Network has all the responsibility of start-up cost, operations and distribution...the SEC basically spends no $$$ and losing no $$$...it does control content of the Network & get this, while not spending any of the league $$$$ they still share with the profits 50/50.

I get all that. Still doesn't tell us whether ESPN has the contractual ability to bundle the SECN with an ACCN.

Steve, if they control the network they can do what they want with it especially when it comes to distribution. SEC puts the programs it wants on that channel...ESPN control everything else...great deal for Slive...because since ESPN is taking and the risk in regards to $$$ he knows ESPN will do whatever it takes to get it on as many Cable systems outside of the Southeast as possible...SEC=No upfront $$$ and still get half of the profit...name anyone else that can get a deal like that.

If they control the ACC Network if it comes to pass, guess what they will control the distribution...they are the ones taking the risk....if you don't like...oh well get over it.

Let just say this, they will very likely treat the SEC Network and if it comes to pass the ACC Network much like the Disney Channel, ABC Family, ESPNU, ESPN, ESPNews, ESPN2 etc...etc.

(05-10-2013 10:11 PM)Maize Wrote:  Steve, if they control the network they can do what they want with it especially when it comes to distribution. SEC puts the programs it wants on that channel...ESPN control everything else...

Maize, unless we see the details of the contract, we do not know that ESPN's control over distribution extends to being able to bundle the SEC and ACC networks together. It very well could, but it's also possible that a clause in the contract precludes it.

I know that if I were Mike Slive, I sure wouldn't want my network bundled with any ACCN. Of course, like all things that one wants in a negotiation, the other party might demand a concession of their own before they grant that. Point is, we just don't know.

My point throughout this thread has been to explain why bundling would likely be viewed as a bad thing from the SEC perspective. Whether the SEC can stop ESPN from doing so is another issue, but FWIW I recognize that either because (a) the SEC was too stupid to see that, or (b) ESPN had superior leverage during the bargaining process, the final contract may give ESPN the power to do so anyway. Or it may not.

As long as the 14 Presidents get the maximum $$$$ from ESPN they are not going to really care.

As for the coaches like Les Miles, he loves it because it gives his school even more exposure on a National Level...said as much on Arute Show on Sirius last week.

Bottom line, the SEC is the Top Brand in College Athletics and no matter if/when an ACC Network comes about it not going to matter.

(05-10-2013 09:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 09:44 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 08:42 AM)Maize Wrote:  1. We do know this about the SEC network/ESPN Contract...it will be owned 100% by ESPN...if the ACC Network is started up it will likely be the same. They are taking all the risk not the SEC.

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3. The only thing Slive is concerned about is the $$$$ the new league will generate. If the ACC Network works for them as long as the SEC receives the $$$ it feels it can potentially earn it not going to worry about it.

Concerning (1): How many times does it have to be said? We do not know if the SECN contract gives ESPN the power to bundle the SECN with the ACCN or not. We don't, no matter how many times you reiterate that it is 100% owned by ESPN.

Concerning (3): As i explained, there are short and long term considerations. Nobody in their right mind - including Slive- would take a small profit increase now if doing so created substantial risk of bigger losses later. That would be very poor management.

The SEC has a new national media rights deal with ESPN, but terms of that contract — which runs through 2034 — were not available. That’s a separate contract that runs concurrently with the SEC Network contract. ESPN will own the SEC channel and will share profits 50-50 with the conference, industry sources said.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...twork.aspx

He will take this deal if it is accurate...this means that ESPN while owning the Network has all the responsibility of start-up cost, operations and distribution...the SEC basically spends no $$$ and losing no $$$...it does control content of the Network & get this, while not spending any of the league $$$$ they still share with the profits 50/50.

I get all that. Still doesn't tell us whether ESPN has the contractual ability to bundle the SECN with an ACCN.

I would be very surprised. Bundling had to be a topic of negotiations with the LHN doing so badly. I bet a lot of discussion concerned how they did not want to be like the LHN, much less bundled with them.

(05-11-2013 11:05 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 09:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 09:44 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 08:42 AM)Maize Wrote:  1. We do know this about the SEC network/ESPN Contract...it will be owned 100% by ESPN...if the ACC Network is started up it will likely be the same. They are taking all the risk not the SEC.

.......

3. The only thing Slive is concerned about is the $$$$ the new league will generate. If the ACC Network works for them as long as the SEC receives the $$$ it feels it can potentially earn it not going to worry about it.

Concerning (1): How many times does it have to be said? We do not know if the SECN contract gives ESPN the power to bundle the SECN with the ACCN or not. We don't, no matter how many times you reiterate that it is 100% owned by ESPN.

Concerning (3): As i explained, there are short and long term considerations. Nobody in their right mind - including Slive- would take a small profit increase now if doing so created substantial risk of bigger losses later. That would be very poor management.

The SEC has a new national media rights deal with ESPN, but terms of that contract — which runs through 2034 — were not available. That’s a separate contract that runs concurrently with the SEC Network contract. ESPN will own the SEC channel and will share profits 50-50 with the conference, industry sources said.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...twork.aspx

He will take this deal if it is accurate...this means that ESPN while owning the Network has all the responsibility of start-up cost, operations and distribution...the SEC basically spends no $$$ and losing no $$$...it does control content of the Network & get this, while not spending any of the league $$$$ they still share with the profits 50/50.

I get all that. Still doesn't tell us whether ESPN has the contractual ability to bundle the SECN with an ACCN.

I would be very surprised. Bundling had to be a topic of negotiations with the LHN doing so badly. I bet a lot of discussion concerned how they did not want to be like the LHN, much less bundled with them.

Seems like the satellite packages add sports packages into much larger options, like DISH Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Because I subscribed to DISH Gold, I get the PAC 12 network and BTN. They are part of a much bigger channel lineup which I order to get other desired channels. I don't have the option to order, or not order them individually. I guess it is different on cable systems...

(05-11-2013 12:58 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-11-2013 11:05 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 09:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 09:44 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Concerning (1): How many times does it have to be said? We do not know if the SECN contract gives ESPN the power to bundle the SECN with the ACCN or not. We don't, no matter how many times you reiterate that it is 100% owned by ESPN.

Concerning (3): As i explained, there are short and long term considerations. Nobody in their right mind - including Slive- would take a small profit increase now if doing so created substantial risk of bigger losses later. That would be very poor management.

The SEC has a new national media rights deal with ESPN, but terms of that contract — which runs through 2034 — were not available. That’s a separate contract that runs concurrently with the SEC Network contract. ESPN will own the SEC channel and will share profits 50-50 with the conference, industry sources said.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...twork.aspx

He will take this deal if it is accurate...this means that ESPN while owning the Network has all the responsibility of start-up cost, operations and distribution...the SEC basically spends no $$$ and losing no $$$...it does control content of the Network & get this, while not spending any of the league $$$$ they still share with the profits 50/50.

I get all that. Still doesn't tell us whether ESPN has the contractual ability to bundle the SECN with an ACCN.

I would be very surprised. Bundling had to be a topic of negotiations with the LHN doing so badly. I bet a lot of discussion concerned how they did not want to be like the LHN, much less bundled with them.

Seems like the satellite packages add sports packages into much larger options, like DISH Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Because I subscribed to DISH Gold, I get the PAC 12 network and BTN. They are part of a much bigger channel lineup which I order to get other desired channels. I don't have the option to order, or not order them individually. I guess it is different on cable systems...

How do you like your DISH service? How does the picture quality compare?

(05-11-2013 01:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  How do you like your DISH service? How does the picture quality compare?

I know this wasn't directed to me but I've had DirecTV for 20 years or so and switched to Dish last year. I don't know any of the channel numbers but the hopper thing is much better than the DVR we had from Directv at the time. Primetime anytime is great. I think Dish has come up w/ something similiar now. The drawback I've found with dish is that you can't get ESPNU in HD. Another drawback is that I'm in a special area of Virginia that is supposed to be able to get NC stations that we'd be able to get over the air and VA stations that we wouldn't be able to get over the air. Well I could get them all in HD with Directv but not with Dish.

(05-11-2013 06:39 AM)Maize Wrote:  As long as the 14 Presidents get the maximum $$$$ from ESPN they are not going to really care.

As for the coaches like Les Miles, he loves it because it gives his school even more exposure on a National Level...said as much on Arute Show on Sirius last week.

Bottom line, the SEC is the Top Brand in College Athletics and no matter if/when an ACC Network comes about it not going to matter.

They care about exposure and distribution. Maximizing profits and maximizing exposure are contradictory. ESPN will try to maximize profits.

(05-16-2013 08:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-11-2013 06:39 AM)Maize Wrote:  As long as the 14 Presidents get the maximum $$$$ from ESPN they are not going to really care.

As for the coaches like Les Miles, he loves it because it gives his school even more exposure on a National Level...said as much on Arute Show on Sirius last week.

Bottom line, the SEC is the Top Brand in College Athletics and no matter if/when an ACC Network comes about it not going to matter.

They care about exposure and distribution. Maximizing profits and maximizing exposure are contradictory. ESPN will try to maximize profits.

The SEC and ESPN have postured themselves as "partners", but if ESPN tries to force SEC fans to buy the ACCN in order to get the SECN, that will go out the window. If Slive signed a contract that allows ESPN to do that, then he's not nearly the genius he often gets billed as being.

The average Joe will not even know it is happening.

Do they know that ESPN is making cable companies buy DISNEY channel and ABC Family when they get ESPN?

Quo is making a mountain out of a molehill. That much is obvious now.

(05-16-2013 12:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 08:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-11-2013 06:39 AM)Maize Wrote:  As long as the 14 Presidents get the maximum $$$$ from ESPN they are not going to really care.

As for the coaches like Les Miles, he loves it because it gives his school even more exposure on a National Level...said as much on Arute Show on Sirius last week.

Bottom line, the SEC is the Top Brand in College Athletics and no matter if/when an ACC Network comes about it not going to matter.

They care about exposure and distribution. Maximizing profits and maximizing exposure are contradictory. ESPN will try to maximize profits.

The SEC and ESPN have postured themselves as "partners", but if ESPN tries to force SEC fans to buy the ACCN in order to get the SECN, that will go out the window. If Slive signed a contract that allows ESPN to do that, then he's not nearly the genius he often gets billed as being.

I have always chuckled whenever I have seen "sports journalists" and others anoint conference commissioners as "geniuses".

I don't buy that at all, not even close. Fairly intelligent guys? Sure, maybe.

Titans of intelligence? Mensa candidates? Geniuses? I have my doubts. They are just guys, like many others. I am not all that impressed.

(05-16-2013 12:32 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The average Joe will not even know it is happening.

Do they know that ESPN is making cable companies buy DISNEY channel and ABC Family when they get ESPN?

Huh? Time to riot screw that crap man!

(05-16-2013 12:32 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The average Joe will not even know it is happening.

Do they know that ESPN is making cable companies buy DISNEY channel and ABC Family when they get ESPN?

Whether the average joe will know or not, Slive was dumb if he allowed it in the deal.

Found this article while googling ACC network info.

Can we say anything has changed in over 2 years?

(07-09-2015 10:56 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Found this article while googling ACC network info.

Can we say anything has changed in over 2 years?

I have less hair on my head

(07-09-2015 10:57 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:56 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Found this article while googling ACC network info.

Can we say anything has changed in over 2 years?

I have less hair on my head

TMI

(05-08-2013 04:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 12:21 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 12:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 11:59 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  The decision as to whether to bundle these networks together will be a financial one. Whatever makes the most money will be the method chosen and "conference pride" will not be a consideration.

The biggest argument I see against bundling them is ESPN wants the SEC Network to be on the same tier as ESPN and ESPN 2 in the 11 state SEC footprint. Obviously, the ACC Network will shoot for the same goal in its footprint. The battleground states of Georgia, Florida, South Carolina and Kentucky are the only places I see both networks having a chance of being on that tier together.

If the goal is to get ESPNU level coverage everywhere then there is a greater chance they will be bundled together.

Georgia and Florids are not 'battleground' states. They are SEC states.

Do you seriously doubt that there are 10x more SEC fans in those states than ACC fans?

Uh yeah..........do you just say stupid sh$t for the sake of saying stupid sh$t? I can tell you for a fact there aren't 10x more Gator fans than Seminole and Hurricane fans combined in the state of Florida.

(05-08-2013 08:56 AM)Maize Wrote:  1. The ACC Digital Network has more subscibers then any other conference. Yes more then the B1G, SEC, Big XII & Pac 12.
2. The ACC with the fact that ESPN already has most of the ACC content doesn't have to buy back all the 3rd Tier Rights that they had to do with the SEC. That was one of the major hurdles that ESPN had with the SEC Network...buying back the Tier 3 Rights from other Networks/Schools in the SEC.

Expect the ACC Network to be sooner rather then later

There's a reason no one hears about Kristi Dosh anymore.