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(05-10-2013 09:08 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The pot of money from the new play-off system is $12 million max to each Go5 conference. One million per school up to 12 schools max.

CUSA schools now will get $857,000 per school instead of $1,000,000 since we have 14 schools. At 16 each school would get $750,000. So for 16 to work well we would have to see an increase or savings or combo of the 2 that would equal at least $100,000 to get back to the 14 school level and $250,000 to get to the 12 school level payout.

Savings on travel would be a small part of it so some other source of income (media?) would have to become available. If that happened then it would be well worth it. If not then forget it.

I think Arkansas St and ULL would top the list but there might be a MAC school or 2 on the list too as well as Texas St.
This is the kind of stuff being modeled. If you have 2 less charter flights that now become buss trips how much is saved;$200k? The numbers change for individual members depending on the divisional alignment you model. If UAB were forced West in a 16 team league does that decrease or increase costs? What happens when you include permanent cross division rivals? How many; one or two? There are synergies to be sure (Travel, 9 game schedule and eliminate FCS games). Its just about finding the model that everyone can most live with.
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(05-10-2013 08:19 AM)cajunbane Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 07:42 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Absolutely no point. We're already at 14, and only get paid for 12 schools from the BCS..err..CFP monies. Sure why not add to more schools so each school gets even less.

Because adding two good schools would actually make CUSA viable again. One more year of finishing behind the MAC or the Sunbelt and you can kiss all that "perception" you hold so dear goodbye.

Viable...Viable??? When was CUSA viable? Also, how does one become viable? Do we need to take more 'via'tamins.....it appears you have been 'via'lated or un'via'led....either way, you seem to better off keeping the crayons handy...

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(05-10-2013 09:12 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 09:08 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The pot of money from the new play-off system is $12 million max to each Go5 conference. One million per school up to 12 schools max.

CUSA schools now will get $857,000 per school instead of $1,000,000 since we have 14 schools. At 16 each school would get $750,000. So for 16 to work well we would have to see an increase or savings or combo of the 2 that would equal at least $100,000 to get back to the 14 school level and $250,000 to get to the 12 school level payout.

Savings on travel would be a small part of it so some other source of income (media?) would have to become available. If that happened then it would be well worth it. If not then forget it.

I think Arkansas St and ULL would top the list but there might be a MAC school or 2 on the list too as well as Texas St.
Yeah, so long as the money is there, I'm good with expanding.

I doubt any additions would save more than 250,000 in travel costs though. We're still an airplane league.

True, we are an airplane league. If the the 2 adds were from ASU, ULL or Texas St, then UAB could be part of the east division, each division would have 7 FB games within division. If only 8 conference games then only 1 crossover. That's a savings in travel for everyone right there. If the divisions were also utilized for all other sports, mens and womens basketball included, that would be a considerable money saver too. The down side would be that it would very definitely begin to feel like 2 leagues instead of 1. But divisonal playoffs and an east-west rivalry could be built if the conference went about it in the right way.
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(05-10-2013 09:15 AM)panama Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 09:08 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The pot of money from the new play-off system is $12 million max to each Go5 conference. One million per school up to 12 schools max.

CUSA schools now will get $857,000 per school instead of $1,000,000 since we have 14 schools. At 16 each school would get $750,000. So for 16 to work well we would have to see an increase or savings or combo of the 2 that would equal at least $100,000 to get back to the 14 school level and $250,000 to get to the 12 school level payout.

Savings on travel would be a small part of it so some other source of income (media?) would have to become available. If that happened then it would be well worth it. If not then forget it.

I think Arkansas St and ULL would top the list but there might be a MAC school or 2 on the list too as well as Texas St.
This is the kind of stuff being modeled. If you have 2 less charter flights that now become buss trips how much is saved;$200k? The numbers change for individual members depending on the divisional alignment you model. If UAB were forced West in a 16 team league does that decrease or increase costs? What happens when you include permanent cross division rivals? How many; one or two? There are synergies to be sure (Travel, 9 game schedule and eliminate FCS games). Its just about finding the model that everyone can most live with.

UAB will already be West in 2014, ULL and stAte will bring UAB back East.

This is one reason I am in favor of adding those two. I would like to be in the same division as UAB
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(05-10-2013 08:17 AM)cajunbane Wrote:  
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(05-10-2013 07:07 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I think it would just dilute the conference. Don't see the point.

“There are efficiencies that grow from a two-division model of eight in each division that’s beneficial."

That is the point. It would be a smart move. It's one that the P5 will make eventually and other conferences will follow suit or go ultra-regional/small (i.e., 9 teams). The advantages in 16 just aren't that glaringly apparent to fans as they exist mostly in media discussions/negotiations and department balance sheets...which have to deal with 16 other sports in addition to football.

What two schools still available do you believe would be beneficial to add to our conference? I can't name one, let alone two.

Coming from a 0-12 season...you have little room to talk.

Dude, our all-time record against you is like 50-1. Just shut up.
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(05-10-2013 09:19 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  True, we are an airplane league. If the the 2 adds were from ASU, ULL or Texas St, then UAB could be part of the east division, each division would have 7 FB games within division. If only 8 conference games then only 1 crossover. That's a savings in travel for everyone right there. If the divisions were also utilized for all other sports, mens and womens basketball included, that would be a considerable money saver too. The down side would be that it would very definitely begin to feel like 2 leagues instead of 1. But divisonal playoffs and an east-west rivalry could be built if the conference went about it in the right way.

Of the 3 possible adds you mentioned, only Texas State should be on the radar.
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(05-10-2013 09:12 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 09:08 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The pot of money from the new play-off system is $12 million max to each Go5 conference. One million per school up to 12 schools max.

CUSA schools now will get $857,000 per school instead of $1,000,000 since we have 14 schools. At 16 each school would get $750,000. So for 16 to work well we would have to see an increase or savings or combo of the 2 that would equal at least $100,000 to get back to the 14 school level and $250,000 to get to the 12 school level payout.

Savings on travel would be a small part of it so some other source of income (media?) would have to become available. If that happened then it would be well worth it. If not then forget it.

I think Arkansas St and ULL would top the list but there might be a MAC school or 2 on the list too as well as Texas St.
Yeah, so long as the money is there, I'm good with expanding.

I doubt any additions would save more than 250,000 in travel costs though. We're still an airplane league.
Yes and no. I hate to keep using UAB but they seem to be right smack in the middle of this. USM and Charlotte would not be plane trips for UAB, Now would WKU and MTSU likely. So CUSA added 3 bus trips for UAB. Of the schools that are departing only Memphis and maybe Tulane were bus trips.
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(05-10-2013 08:19 AM)cajunbane Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 07:42 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Absolutely no point. We're already at 14, and only get paid for 12 schools from the BCS..err..CFP monies. Sure why not add to more schools so each school gets even less.

Because adding two good schools would actually make CUSA viable again. One more year of finishing behind the MAC or the Sunbelt and you can kiss all that "perception" you hold so dear goodbye.

If that's how you feel stay where you're at and you can just pass us by. This isn't about perception, it's about money.
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(05-10-2013 09:25 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 08:19 AM)cajunbane Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 07:42 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Absolutely no point. We're already at 14, and only get paid for 12 schools from the BCS..err..CFP monies. Sure why not add to more schools so each school gets even less.
Because adding two good schools would actually make CUSA viable again. One more year of finishing behind the MAC or the Sunbelt and you can kiss all that "perception" you hold so dear goodbye.
If that's how you feel stay where you're at and you can just pass us by. This isn't about perception, it's about money.

Right, but you guys are thinking too tactically and not strategically. While we're here parsing nickles, the SEC and Big10 are moving toward a 9 conference-game model. I'm sure there are "strategic" deals being set in motion which are designed to make the non-AQ's less and less revelent.

If the non-AQ's do not immediately begin to work together to address the pressures being applied by the AQ's we are going to find the access we do have being insignificant. What is our leadership doing to address these overarching concerns?
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(05-10-2013 09:34 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 09:25 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 08:19 AM)cajunbane Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 07:42 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Absolutely no point. We're already at 14, and only get paid for 12 schools from the BCS..err..CFP monies. Sure why not add to more schools so each school gets even less.
Because adding two good schools would actually make CUSA viable again. One more year of finishing behind the MAC or the Sunbelt and you can kiss all that "perception" you hold so dear goodbye.
If that's how you feel stay where you're at and you can just pass us by. This isn't about perception, it's about money.

Right, but you guys are thinking too tactically and not strategically. While we're here parsing nickles, the SEC and Big10 are moving toward a 9 conference-game model. I'm sure there are "strategic" deals being set in motion which are designed to make the non-AQ's less and less revelent.

If the non-AQ's do not immediately begin to work together to address the pressures being applied by the AQ's we are going to find the access we do have being insignificant. What is our leadership doing to address these overarching concerns?

...waiting to file a lawsuit...is there really any other option?
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(05-10-2013 09:25 AM)panama Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 09:12 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 09:08 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The pot of money from the new play-off system is $12 million max to each Go5 conference. One million per school up to 12 schools max.

CUSA schools now will get $857,000 per school instead of $1,000,000 since we have 14 schools. At 16 each school would get $750,000. So for 16 to work well we would have to see an increase or savings or combo of the 2 that would equal at least $100,000 to get back to the 14 school level and $250,000 to get to the 12 school level payout.

Savings on travel would be a small part of it so some other source of income (media?) would have to become available. If that happened then it would be well worth it. If not then forget it.

I think Arkansas St and ULL would top the list but there might be a MAC school or 2 on the list too as well as Texas St.
Yeah, so long as the money is there, I'm good with expanding.

I doubt any additions would save more than 250,000 in travel costs though. We're still an airplane league.
Yes and no. I hate to keep using UAB but they seem to be right smack in the middle of this. USM and Charlotte would not be plane trips for UAB, Now would WKU and MTSU likely. So CUSA added 3 bus trips for UAB. Of the schools that are departing only Memphis and maybe Tulane were bus trips.
Would we really take an 7 hour bus trip to UAB? If so, then we'll also bus to Marshall, ODU, Murfreesboro, and maybe Bowling Green. I don't know what the threshold is where schools decide to bus vs fly.
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If we could ever pry Ohio from the MAC.... Also there is NMST (not looking that great), TXST could be one of the best options out there, any chance in hell we could provide a geographic, competitive and financial mix to bring Memphis back? Once cincy and uconn bug out, the AAC is piss poor basketball. Their finances will not be good at all, and Memphis's closest rivals would be Tulsa, SMU. Houston, and Tulane... Not exactly the best set up for them...Memphis's basketball and media value would certainly help the conference.... I think it is possible one day real soon that memphis be a viable option to return. I would even wave their entrance fees....
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(05-10-2013 10:16 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 09:25 AM)panama Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 09:12 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 09:08 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The pot of money from the new play-off system is $12 million max to each Go5 conference. One million per school up to 12 schools max.

CUSA schools now will get $857,000 per school instead of $1,000,000 since we have 14 schools. At 16 each school would get $750,000. So for 16 to work well we would have to see an increase or savings or combo of the 2 that would equal at least $100,000 to get back to the 14 school level and $250,000 to get to the 12 school level payout.

Savings on travel would be a small part of it so some other source of income (media?) would have to become available. If that happened then it would be well worth it. If not then forget it.

I think Arkansas St and ULL would top the list but there might be a MAC school or 2 on the list too as well as Texas St.
Yeah, so long as the money is there, I'm good with expanding.

I doubt any additions would save more than 250,000 in travel costs though. We're still an airplane league.
Yes and no. I hate to keep using UAB but they seem to be right smack in the middle of this. USM and Charlotte would not be plane trips for UAB, Now would WKU and MTSU likely. So CUSA added 3 bus trips for UAB. Of the schools that are departing only Memphis and maybe Tulane were bus trips.
Would we really take an 7 hour bus trip to UAB? If so, then we'll also bus to Marshall, ODU, Murfreesboro, and maybe Bowling Green. I don't know what the threshold is where schools decide to bus vs fly.

Depends on the school and program but I guess its right in that 5 to 6 hour spot for most. I am sure if your a Big 5 school that is probably 2.5 hours or less.
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(05-10-2013 10:23 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  If we could ever pry Ohio from the MAC.... Also there is NMST (not looking that great), TXST could be one of the best options out there, any chance in hell we could provide a geographic, competitive and financial mix to bring Memphis back? Once cincy and uconn bug out, the AAC is piss poor basketball. Their finances will not be good at all, and Memphis's closest rivals would be Tulsa, SMU. Houston, and Tulane... Not exactly the best set up for them...Memphis's basketball and media value would certainly help the conference.... I think it is possible one day real soon that memphis be a viable option to return. I would even wave their entrance fees....

The three you list are not viable. Ohio is in the heart of the MAC and has a great thing going (i.e. many members in very close proximity). NMSU...just 03-lmfao, Texas St. would need to get through the 4 Texas members we already have [Rice, UTEP, UNT and UTSA], so no need there.

The only MAC schools that may be persuaded in leaving, and this would be years from now, would be N. Ill, Buffalo or UMass; because they now have BCS dollars flowing in from the NIU Orange Bowl game.

So clearly, if BB is being asked to model a 16 member conference, there are only two programs out there that fit the bill. ASU and UL-L (given La Tech's acquiescence), killing the Sun Belt for all intent and purpose.
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(05-10-2013 10:32 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 10:23 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  If we could ever pry Ohio from the MAC.... Also there is NMST (not looking that great), TXST could be one of the best options out there, any chance in hell we could provide a geographic, competitive and financial mix to bring Memphis back? Once cincy and uconn bug out, the AAC is piss poor basketball. Their finances will not be good at all, and Memphis's closest rivals would be Tulsa, SMU. Houston, and Tulane... Not exactly the best set up for them...Memphis's basketball and media value would certainly help the conference.... I think it is possible one day real soon that memphis be a viable option to return. I would even wave their entrance fees....

The three you list are not viable. Ohio is in the heart of the MAC and has a great thing going (i.e. many members in very close proximity). NMSU...just 03-lmfao, Texas St. would need to get through the 4 Texas members we already have [Rice, UTEP, UNT and UTSA], so no need there.

The only MAC schools that may be persuaded in leaving, and this would be years from now, would be N. Ill, Buffalo or UMass; because they now have BCS dollars flowing in from the NIU Orange Bowl game.

So clearly, if BB is being asked to model a 16 member conference, there are only two programs out there that fit the bill. ASU and UL-L (given La Tech's acquiescence), killing the Sun Belt for all intent and purpose.

I think it is very possible to pry ohio from the mac. they are actually on the fringe of the mac... while there are a lot of teams close by in ohio, they still have large travel gaps to umass buffalo all of michigan and illinois. Like i said, NMST does not appear to be in good shape, although i believe they have one of the larger budgets left on the board. I would take NMST over ASU any day of the week.

Is there anything wrong with another texas school? they bring a new market, a good school, with great facilities and are a land grant university. I like em. i would like to hear from a TX school on the matter.
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(05-10-2013 10:44 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 10:32 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 10:23 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  If we could ever pry Ohio from the MAC.... Also there is NMST (not looking that great), TXST could be one of the best options out there, any chance in hell we could provide a geographic, competitive and financial mix to bring Memphis back? Once cincy and uconn bug out, the AAC is piss poor basketball. Their finances will not be good at all, and Memphis's closest rivals would be Tulsa, SMU. Houston, and Tulane... Not exactly the best set up for them...Memphis's basketball and media value would certainly help the conference.... I think it is possible one day real soon that memphis be a viable option to return. I would even wave their entrance fees....

The three you list are not viable. Ohio is in the heart of the MAC and has a great thing going (i.e. many members in very close proximity). NMSU...just 03-lmfao, Texas St. would need to get through the 4 Texas members we already have [Rice, UTEP, UNT and UTSA], so no need there.

The only MAC schools that may be persuaded in leaving, and this would be years from now, would be N. Ill, Buffalo or UMass; because they now have BCS dollars flowing in from the NIU Orange Bowl game.

So clearly, if BB is being asked to model a 16 member conference, there are only two programs out there that fit the bill. ASU and UL-L (given La Tech's acquiescence), killing the Sun Belt for all intent and purpose.

I think it is very possible to pry ohio from the mac. they are actually on the fringe of the mac... while there are a lot of teams close by in ohio, they still have large travel gaps to umass buffalo all of michigan and illinois. Like i said, NMST does not appear to be in good shape, although i believe they have one of the larger budgets left on the board. I would take NMST over ASU any day of the week.

Is there anything wrong with another texas school? they bring a new market, a good school, with great facilities and are a land grant university. I like em. i would like to hear from a TX school on the matter.
I think TX State and UTSA would evolve into a pretty good rivalry.
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(05-10-2013 10:46 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 10:44 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 10:32 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(05-10-2013 10:23 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  If we could ever pry Ohio from the MAC.... Also there is NMST (not looking that great), TXST could be one of the best options out there, any chance in hell we could provide a geographic, competitive and financial mix to bring Memphis back? Once cincy and uconn bug out, the AAC is piss poor basketball. Their finances will not be good at all, and Memphis's closest rivals would be Tulsa, SMU. Houston, and Tulane... Not exactly the best set up for them...Memphis's basketball and media value would certainly help the conference.... I think it is possible one day real soon that memphis be a viable option to return. I would even wave their entrance fees....

The three you list are not viable. Ohio is in the heart of the MAC and has a great thing going (i.e. many members in very close proximity). NMSU...just 03-lmfao, Texas St. would need to get through the 4 Texas members we already have [Rice, UTEP, UNT and UTSA], so no need there.

The only MAC schools that may be persuaded in leaving, and this would be years from now, would be N. Ill, Buffalo or UMass; because they now have BCS dollars flowing in from the NIU Orange Bowl game.

So clearly, if BB is being asked to model a 16 member conference, there are only two programs out there that fit the bill. ASU and UL-L (given La Tech's acquiescence), killing the Sun Belt for all intent and purpose.

I think it is very possible to pry ohio from the mac. they are actually on the fringe of the mac... while there are a lot of teams close by in ohio, they still have large travel gaps to umass buffalo all of michigan and illinois. Like i said, NMST does not appear to be in good shape, although i believe they have one of the larger budgets left on the board. I would take NMST over ASU any day of the week.

Is there anything wrong with another texas school? they bring a new market, a good school, with great facilities and are a land grant university. I like em. i would like to hear from a TX school on the matter.
I think TX State and UTSA would evolve into a pretty good rivalry.

haven't you heard! Being that close together and not liking each other is why they should not be in the same conference.....01-wingedeagle
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(05-10-2013 07:58 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  It would only make sense if you added ULL & stAte which would give us good geographic divisions

And two programs that have gone 38-14 over the past two seasons.
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RE: C-USA commissioner likes 16-team league, won't guarantee it
For the love of humanity! Can cajuns please quit pimping on this board day and night!!!
05-10-2013 10:56 AM
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