(05-16-2013 06:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 12:29 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Me too....cinci gets the big12 into Ohio and their recruiting grounds. memphis places the big12 smack ass in the middle of 5 sec schools - and with the wind at their back - two more (ole miss, ms state, vandy, arkansas and tennessee.....get a little wind behind your back and you can easily hit missouri and kentucky as well). ALL of these sec teams are teams the top big12 teams can snatch any recruit away from who they want. Memphis adds enough recruiting ground itself to make it worthwhile with the added advantage of location.

Why on earth would the Big 12 want to dilute its football strength with Memphis?

Promise and prayer not present - I like the idea of course

(05-17-2013 11:03 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:47 AM)TeleCoog Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:27 AM)DonnyMost Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 08:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 08:08 AM)DonnyMost Wrote:  If the Big 12 ever gets its own network, then adding Houston becomes pointless and going with Florida becomes an instant no-brainer. Since the Big 12 does not have its own network, this is where USF/UCF leave something to be desired. They do not and likely will never have significant impact in the Big 12's current largest media markets of DFW, Austin, and San Antonio. If you couple UH's large impact in Houston with their modest impact in the other Texas markets, they end up contributing more to a TV contract than Florida would alone. However, that isn't the only factor to consider. The Big 12 does want to become a more "national" brand (I think you do this by winning national titles, not expanding, personally) and open up Florida recruiting. So there's that.

The same argument could be made in reverse for expansion of the ACC, by the way. USF would draw terrific ratings in the ACC's largest media markets. UH would not. Sure, people in Houston would have decent interest in watching UH in the ACC, but nowhere near as much interest as they would in seeing them play local Big 12 teams. And ACC market viewers could probably care less about UH.

IMO, UH belongs in the Big 12, USF belongs in the ACC. I want to see both happen.

Seems like your analysis runs counter to the current belief that conferences should expand in new states not existing ones. OK.

That's because the Big 12's business format runs counter to everyone else's, i.e. no TV network.

USF is kinda screwed for getting into the ACC because of that reason, doesn't mean I don't think they belong there, though.

Wouldn't a la carte cable billing also run counter to the need to expand in new states?

Depends on the league. I don't think so with the Big 12 which (if they expand) simply needs to get more people in it's footprint outside our state. Even without a league network it opens up favorable tv windows.

For example... with USF we could get more games flipped to our teams in the Florida market.

2012 TCU vs Tech was ESPN3 in the markets that USF/UL was priority in. Taking a school like USF gets more of our games on ESPN, ESPN2, and ABC in Florida.





When the national ratings are very similar it makes a lot of sense to grab viewership via access to new markets. Even if USF/UCF aren't "owning" the FLA market or UC/UConn don't "own" their DMA's getting extra exposure via tv windows allows average fans to tune into our broadcasts in a large way and extend our reach.


Expanding outside our footprint allows us to get priority more often than we did before. Look at this 2009 Coverage map:

The state of Colorado (CU was B12 then) is tuned into the Big 12 game, NOT the PAC game. Now that is the opposite.



Now look at 2012 WVU-Texas Tech- a game with more (at the time) national relevance with a heisman candidate on an unbeaten team as Orange Bowl champs.



It lost an early season window to a team coming off a losing season (OrSt) and a BYU team that had lost badly to Utah and had lost to BSU already.




Expanding within our footprint does not accomplish anything to help us gain new windows.

Pretty compelling data S11...

(05-17-2013 12:04 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:03 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:47 AM)TeleCoog Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:27 AM)DonnyMost Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 08:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seems like your analysis runs counter to the current belief that conferences should expand in new states not existing ones. OK.

That's because the Big 12's business format runs counter to everyone else's, i.e. no TV network.

USF is kinda screwed for getting into the ACC because of that reason, doesn't mean I don't think they belong there, though.

Wouldn't a la carte cable billing also run counter to the need to expand in new states?

Depends on the league. I don't think so with the Big 12 which (if they expand) simply needs to get more people in it's footprint outside our state. Even without a league network it opens up favorable tv windows.

For example... with USF we could get more games flipped to our teams in the Florida market.

2012 TCU vs Tech was ESPN3 in the markets that USF/UL was priority in. Taking a school like USF gets more of our games on ESPN, ESPN2, and ABC in Florida.





When the national ratings are very similar it makes a lot of sense to grab viewership via access to new markets. Even if USF/UCF aren't "owning" the FLA market or UC/UConn don't "own" their DMA's getting extra exposure via tv windows allows average fans to tune into our broadcasts in a large way and extend our reach.


Expanding outside our footprint allows us to get priority more often than we did before. Look at this 2009 Coverage map:

The state of Colorado (CU was B12 then) is tuned into the Big 12 game, NOT the PAC game. Now that is the opposite.



Now look at 2012 WVU-Texas Tech- a game with more (at the time) national relevance with a heisman candidate on an unbeaten team as Orange Bowl champs.



It lost an early season window to a team coming off a losing season (OrSt) and a BYU team that had lost badly to Utah and had lost to BSU already.




Expanding within our footprint does not accomplish anything to help us gain new windows.

Pretty compelling data S11...

It also limits the appeal of New Mexico and Memphis who frequently show up in our coverage maps but not always.

Lots of inaccurate info from Go5 fans in this 19 page WVU scout thread on the same subject. I don't post on that site but the bottom line is this, if the Big 12 needs you, we will call. That being said, I wouldn't sit by the telephone because it might be a few years.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=11552422

(05-13-2013 10:09 PM)DonnyMost Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 09:39 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  Sorry Houston, but the only way you get a Big 12 invite is if a Texas team leaves. You need to look at the big picture and come to the MWC and bring along SMU and Tulsa.

This lazy, ignorant meme needs to be put to bed.

Let's say the Big 12 adds Houston.

Compared to other conferences, how would the team to state population ratio add up?

Big 12 / Texas - 5.21 million people per team

Pac 12 / Oregon - 1.95 million people per team
Pac 12 / Washington - 3.45 million people per team
Pac 12 / Arizona - 3.28 million people per team

SEC / Mississippi - 1.49 million people per team
SEC / Alabama - 2.41 million people per team
SEC / Tennessee - 3.23 million people per team

Big 10 / Indiana - 3.27 million people per team
Big 10 / Michigan - 4.94 million people per team

ACC / North Carolina - 2.43 million people per team
ACC / Virginia - 4.09 million people per team


Conclusion: It's time to shut the hell up about the Big 12 and "oversaturation" in Texas. Newsflash! Texas is huge. And it's growing faster than virtually every other state in the union, and has been for a really long time. Another important point, the average distance between a Big 12 school in Texas and the city of Houston is 285 miles. That's greater than the distance from Washington DC to Raleigh NC. This is not the SWC 2.0 we're talking about here. The SWC had 8 Texas schools. 5 would be significantly less than that, and of those 5, 2 are small private schools. The Big 12 has 6 teams outside of Texas in 4 states that stretch over 1000 miles, the SWC had 1 team in a singular neighboring state. There is more than enough room for Houston in the Big 12.

Oregon, Washington, Missisissippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Indiana, North Carolina= all grandfathered in.

The rest though are fair game, IMO.