(05-13-2013 09:31 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 08:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Sounds like the ACC had to give up something in order to get the Capital One slot when the BIG plays in the OB. Thus you have the shared Gator and Music City Bowl between the ACC and BIG. I also wonder how this will affect the Belk since they wanted an SEC team as well. Does this also mean the Russell will get a Big 12 opponent?

I'll still believe the Capital One Bowl setup when I see it - I'd still wager that it's a strict SEC vs. Big Ten tie-in no matter what, especially if the Russell Athletic Bowl is now locked in with ACC #2. Reading between the lines of the ESPN article, the ACC bowl order changed drastically from what most people thought would be the case from a couple of weeks ago (as they didn't seem to think ACC #2 was going to Orlando). The Capital One Big Ten/ACC rotation would have made a little bit of sense if the Russell Athletic Bowl hadn't moved past the Belk/Music City/Gator combo for ACC #2. Now, it doesn't seem to make sense at all (and I didn't think it made sense in the first place, anyway).

I read the article similarly. It sounds like the plan two weeks ago was:

1. CFP/Orange Bowl
(Possibly Citrus some years)
2-4. Gator/Belk/Music City

Now it sounds like that has changed so we have.
1. CFP/Orange Bowl
(Possibly Citrus some years)
2. Russel Athletic
3. Gator or Music City (getting each half the time, sharing with the Big Ten)

That's what they mean by the Gator loosing the exclusivity. It sounded like it would be the ACC in it each year in the new set-up, but now it will be shared with the Big Ten.

Frank, I was confused by the article myself. I didn't see the Gator/Belk/Music City combo for #2 to be the best option either.

(05-13-2013 09:31 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 08:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Sounds like the ACC had to give up something in order to get the Capital One slot when the BIG plays in the OB. Thus you have the shared Gator and Music City Bowl between the ACC and BIG. I also wonder how this will affect the Belk since they wanted an SEC team as well. Does this also mean the Russell will get a Big 12 opponent?

I'll still believe the Capital One Bowl setup when I see it - I'd still wager that it's a strict SEC vs. Big Ten tie-in no matter what, especially if the Russell Athletic Bowl is now locked in with ACC #2. Reading between the lines of the ESPN article, the ACC bowl order changed drastically from what most people thought would be the case from a couple of weeks ago (as they didn't seem to think ACC #2 was going to Orlando). The Capital One Big Ten/ACC rotation would have made a little bit of sense if the Russell Athletic Bowl hadn't moved past the Belk/Music City/Gator combo for ACC #2. Now, it doesn't seem to make sense at all (and I didn't think it made sense in the first place, anyway).

Here's how NBC interprets the report.

"McMurphy reports that, as of two weeks ago, it appeared the Gator, Belk and Music City bowls would share the ACC’s next pick after the Orange Bowl. However, the Russell Athletic Bowl has apparently made a push in the ACC’s bowl pecking order. If the Russell Athletic Bowl does get the second pick of an ACC team, it would end an exclusive deal the ACC had with the Gator and Music City bowls. As a result, those two bowls would each get an ACC and Big Ten school three times over a six-year agreement."

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ange-bowl/

Anyone else think all these split bowl deals sound like the Power Bowl Alliance that Jeremy Folwer wrote about back in March?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...l-alliance

I think McMurphy misspoke. He makes it sound like the ACC already had a tie-in with the Gator which it didn't. It did have a tie-in with the Music City. If the Russell decided to up the ante to move to #2 and the ACC is now splitting Music City and Gator, how is that a bad thing? The ACC isn't losing anything. Both bowls are against the SEC. The Gator Bowl is generally played on New Year's Day which is a day the ACC didn't have much coverage.

(05-13-2013 09:24 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  So ACC will have:

Orange vs SEC/B1G/ND
Capital One vs SEC (in years when B1G is OB opponent)
Russell vs XII (likely)
Belk vs SEC (likely)
Gator/Music City vs SEC
Pinstripe vs B1G (likely)
And three others

Are they still in Sun Bowl?

(05-13-2013 09:29 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 07:57 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

For whatever reason American Athletic fans scoff at the Independence Bowl. It has a high payout, and they have a legit chance of getting a tie-in there. The American needs to go hard after the Liberty and Independence Bowls. Throw in the Beef Bowl, and the American suddenly has three solid bowl destinations.

The AAC needs to jump on Independence if it falls. Same with the Sun bowl out west. Get those 2, Hold on to liberty, add in Birmingham, Nawlins, and mini tampa bowl, plus one in Tex. and everything considered, it won't be a bad package.

(05-13-2013 09:29 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 07:57 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  It sounds like the SEC is going to hold steadfast to most of its tie-ins but I expect the Independence Bowl and Birmingham Bowl to be out because of all the CFP bowl slots.

It makes sense for the SEC to be no deeper than 8 non-CFP bowls, IMO.

For whatever reason American Athletic fans scoff at the Independence Bowl. It has a high payout, and they have a legit chance of getting a tie-in there. The American needs to go hard after the Liberty and Independence Bowls. Throw in the Beef Bowl, and the American suddenly has three solid bowl destinations.

Umm no in that list you have 1 solid bowl, 1 pre christmas bowl in a bad baseball stadium against C-USA, and 1 bowl game in a dumpy old stadium in a crappy city that no one really wants to be tied to. If those 3 are supposed to be the crown jewels of the AAC bowl lineup then that's worse than the current C-USA bowl lineup.

(05-14-2013 07:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 09:29 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 07:57 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  It sounds like the SEC is going to hold steadfast to most of its tie-ins but I expect the Independence Bowl and Birmingham Bowl to be out because of all the CFP bowl slots.

It makes sense for the SEC to be no deeper than 8 non-CFP bowls, IMO.

For whatever reason American Athletic fans scoff at the Independence Bowl. It has a high payout, and they have a legit chance of getting a tie-in there. The American needs to go hard after the Liberty and Independence Bowls. Throw in the Beef Bowl, and the American suddenly has three solid bowl destinations.

Umm no in that list you have 1 solid bowl, 1 pre christmas bowl in a bad baseball stadium against C-USA, and 1 bowl game in a dumpy old stadium in a crappy city that no one really wants to be tied to. If those 3 are supposed to be the crown jewels of the AAC bowl lineup then that's worse than the current C-USA bowl lineup.

It is simple...the goal of the AAC Champ from 2014 forward is to go to either the Peach Bowl, Cotton Bowl or the Fiesta Bowl. If you are in a P5 League it is the CFP SemiFinals...simple as that...

(05-14-2013 08:08 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 07:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 09:29 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 07:57 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  It sounds like the SEC is going to hold steadfast to most of its tie-ins but I expect the Independence Bowl and Birmingham Bowl to be out because of all the CFP bowl slots.

It makes sense for the SEC to be no deeper than 8 non-CFP bowls, IMO.

For whatever reason American Athletic fans scoff at the Independence Bowl. It has a high payout, and they have a legit chance of getting a tie-in there. The American needs to go hard after the Liberty and Independence Bowls. Throw in the Beef Bowl, and the American suddenly has three solid bowl destinations.

Umm no in that list you have 1 solid bowl, 1 pre christmas bowl in a bad baseball stadium against C-USA, and 1 bowl game in a dumpy old stadium in a crappy city that no one really wants to be tied to. If those 3 are supposed to be the crown jewels of the AAC bowl lineup then that's worse than the current C-USA bowl lineup.

It is simple...the goal of the AAC Champ from 2014 forward is to go to either the Peach Bowl, Cotton Bowl or the Fiesta Bowl. If you are in a P5 League it is the CFP SemiFinals...simple as that...

Of course that's the goal, but if the champ of this league is 10-2 and ranked but misses the access bowl the reward has to be better than the Liberty or there's really no reward at all.

(05-14-2013 08:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 08:08 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 07:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 09:29 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 07:57 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  It sounds like the SEC is going to hold steadfast to most of its tie-ins but I expect the Independence Bowl and Birmingham Bowl to be out because of all the CFP bowl slots.

It makes sense for the SEC to be no deeper than 8 non-CFP bowls, IMO.

For whatever reason American Athletic fans scoff at the Independence Bowl. It has a high payout, and they have a legit chance of getting a tie-in there. The American needs to go hard after the Liberty and Independence Bowls. Throw in the Beef Bowl, and the American suddenly has three solid bowl destinations.

Umm no in that list you have 1 solid bowl, 1 pre christmas bowl in a bad baseball stadium against C-USA, and 1 bowl game in a dumpy old stadium in a crappy city that no one really wants to be tied to. If those 3 are supposed to be the crown jewels of the AAC bowl lineup then that's worse than the current C-USA bowl lineup.

It is simple...the goal of the AAC Champ from 2014 forward is to go to either the Peach Bowl, Cotton Bowl or the Fiesta Bowl. If you are in a P5 League it is the CFP SemiFinals...simple as that...

Of course that's the goal, but if the champ of this league is 10-2 and ranked but misses the access bowl the reward has to be better than the Liberty or there's really no reward at all.

I understand that but going forward most are going to focus on the CFP and regardless of Boise more often or not the AAC Champ will get that slot.

If the bowls didn't matter the P5 wouldn't be rushing to snatch up every good one out there. They matter, and if the best you can guarantee a recruit is a trip to the Liberty Bowl that's another strike in recruiting.

The Go5 slot will most likely go to one of the following teams: champ of MAC, champ of Mountain West, or champ of AAC. Now there's a selection committee, conference perception and schedule strength will be big.

(05-14-2013 09:30 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If the bowls didn't matter the P5 wouldn't be rushing to snatch up every good one out there. They matter, and if the best you can guarantee a recruit is a trip to the Liberty Bowl that's another strike in recruiting.

Personally, I like the Liberty Bowl. Maybe I'm just "old school"?

(05-13-2013 09:37 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 09:31 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 08:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Sounds like the ACC had to give up something in order to get the Capital One slot when the BIG plays in the OB. Thus you have the shared Gator and Music City Bowl between the ACC and BIG. I also wonder how this will affect the Belk since they wanted an SEC team as well. Does this also mean the Russell will get a Big 12 opponent?

I'll still believe the Capital One Bowl setup when I see it - I'd still wager that it's a strict SEC vs. Big Ten tie-in no matter what, especially if the Russell Athletic Bowl is now locked in with ACC #2. Reading between the lines of the ESPN article, the ACC bowl order changed drastically from what most people thought would be the case from a couple of weeks ago (as they didn't seem to think ACC #2 was going to Orlando). The Capital One Big Ten/ACC rotation would have made a little bit of sense if the Russell Athletic Bowl hadn't moved past the Belk/Music City/Gator combo for ACC #2. Now, it doesn't seem to make sense at all (and I didn't think it made sense in the first place, anyway).

It was reported as such last week and now again by the mustache. Deny it all you want, but that's the deal. My guess is that it's a payback to the ACC for taking half of the OB payout in those years.

This makes some sense. It just doesn't make sense for the B1G to give up any piece of CapitolOne. That will be the best paying non BCS bowl. Gator is way down the pecking order. But the B1G has been talking about reducing their Florida exposure as has been mentioned.

If true, this is a good deal for ACC.

(05-14-2013 09:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 09:30 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If the bowls didn't matter the P5 wouldn't be rushing to snatch up every good one out there. They matter, and if the best you can guarantee a recruit is a trip to the Liberty Bowl that's another strike in recruiting.

Personally, I like the Liberty Bowl. Maybe I'm just "old school"?

The Liberty is fine, but if that's the best a league has then it goes really downhill after that.

(05-14-2013 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 09:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 09:30 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If the bowls didn't matter the P5 wouldn't be rushing to snatch up every good one out there. They matter, and if the best you can guarantee a recruit is a trip to the Liberty Bowl that's another strike in recruiting.

Personally, I like the Liberty Bowl. Maybe I'm just "old school"?

The Liberty is fine, but if that's the best a league has then it goes really downhill after that.

Depends on who we play there. If our best bowl is against an SEC #8/9 selection--then yeah, its a joke. The Mountain West would have three games of similar or better quality (Las Vegas vs Pac-#5, Poinsetta vs BYU, and New Mexico Bowl vs Pac-12 #7). That would put us well behind the MW and be a nasty blow to the recruting of our western teams. How many recruits dream of playing for schools with little chance of ever playing in nice bowls vs P-5 opponents? I think thats going to be a fairly limited universe.

(05-14-2013 10:12 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 09:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 09:30 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If the bowls didn't matter the P5 wouldn't be rushing to snatch up every good one out there. They matter, and if the best you can guarantee a recruit is a trip to the Liberty Bowl that's another strike in recruiting.

Personally, I like the Liberty Bowl. Maybe I'm just "old school"?

The Liberty is fine, but if that's the best a league has then it goes really downhill after that.

Depends on who we play there. If our best bowl is against an SEC #8/9 selection--then yeah, its a joke. The Mountain West would have three games of similar or better quality (Las Vegas vs Pac-#5, Poinsetta vs BYU, and New Mexico Bowl vs Pac-12 #7). That would put us well behind the MW and be a nasty blow to the recruting of our western teams. What recruit dr4eams of playing for a school with little chance to ever play in a nice bowl vs P-5 opponents? I think thats going to be a fairly limited universe.

Well that's my point, it's fine as long as it's not the best bowl the AAC has. If it is then the AAC is going to have a far worse bowl lineup than the MWC.

And at this point I wouldn't even bet it's that likely the AAC gets the Liberty Bowl. Aresco is such a giant failure. He might be the most overpaid person in the country. Over 1 million a year salary and signed a TV deal worth less than 2 million.

(05-14-2013 09:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 09:37 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 09:31 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 08:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Sounds like the ACC had to give up something in order to get the Capital One slot when the BIG plays in the OB. Thus you have the shared Gator and Music City Bowl between the ACC and BIG. I also wonder how this will affect the Belk since they wanted an SEC team as well. Does this also mean the Russell will get a Big 12 opponent?

I'll still believe the Capital One Bowl setup when I see it - I'd still wager that it's a strict SEC vs. Big Ten tie-in no matter what, especially if the Russell Athletic Bowl is now locked in with ACC #2. Reading between the lines of the ESPN article, the ACC bowl order changed drastically from what most people thought would be the case from a couple of weeks ago (as they didn't seem to think ACC #2 was going to Orlando). The Capital One Big Ten/ACC rotation would have made a little bit of sense if the Russell Athletic Bowl hadn't moved past the Belk/Music City/Gator combo for ACC #2. Now, it doesn't seem to make sense at all (and I didn't think it made sense in the first place, anyway).

It was reported as such last week and now again by the mustache. Deny it all you want, but that's the deal. My guess is that it's a payback to the ACC for taking half of the OB payout in those years.

This makes some sense. It just doesn't make sense for the B1G to give up any piece of CapitolOne. That will be the best paying non BCS bowl. Gator is way down the pecking order. But the B1G has been talking about reducing their Florida exposure as has been mentioned.

If true, this is a good deal for ACC.

Well, it looks more likely than not that I'm going to be wrong in my prediction about the Big Ten getting swapped out of the Capital One Bowl when it goes to the Orange Bowl, although it appears ESPN left out a pretty important detail - the SEC will also get swapped out for the ACC when it goes to the Orange Bowl, too. That would always ensure a matchup of the #2 from the Big Ten, SEC or ACC/ND is always playing in that game. This is from one of my readers that would know such things.

I really can't wait to see what Aresco puts together for the winner of the AAC. I wonder if he'll be able to pull off that Beef Bowl or if we'll have to settle with the New Orleans Bowl.