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RE: Cincinnati Enquirer take on the ACC Decision to take UofL over UC & UConn...
(05-14-2013 10:35 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(05-14-2013 04:59 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  
(05-14-2013 03:09 AM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  It's a money game, for the most part. How one performs on the field can be secondary, yet it is helpful, certainly. Yet if you have the money you should be successful, and UofL and TCU have parlayed their AD budgets into on-field/court success.

UConn almost certainly is attractive b/c they have an AD budget in the 60s mil. range, as did most other schools in the BE (incl. the never made it TCU), but what schools didn't? Cincy & USF.

Plain and simple this is killing the Bearcats. The latest AD budget figures I've seen had UofL at approx. $87 mil. and Cincy at $39.5 mil.... that is simply not going to be good enough in this day and age. That's old C-usa budget numbers.

IDK how the Univ. of Cincy is going to up their budget, but they must do so, and considerably. At least to Pitt levels, which I believe is in the 50s mil. range....

Your right about budgets in some senses and your right that Cincinnati needs to increase it's budget. All the years of football winning, the university did not cash in on it's success. However, the big dollars are relative in a sense that not all schools with larger budgets than Cincinnati are successful in their respective leagues or even outside of their leagues. Look at schools like Wake Forest, Purdue, Indiana many of which can't beat many major schools they play each and every year. Not to mention the fact that schools like PU, IU and Wake are not using their big league dollars appropriately or effectively. One thing many don't quite understand in Louisville is we have had more success in football than Louisville over the past six years, yet we have less than half of the budget as you mentioned 87 to 39. How can we have a better overall record with half of the budget? The problem that the ACC saw in Cincinnati was definately a lack of revenue and lack of scholarships offered in golf, swimming, track and field and baseball has hurt us over time. Whit Babcock has now reinstated scholarships in these areas with Tuberville's donation, we should begin to have more success in these sports too. We also need to start women's softball and men's lacrosse.


Simple ... you can have a better record when coached by Brian Kelly, and Butch Jones, versus Steve Kragthorpe, who singlehandedly almost set back the entire Cardinal athletic department with his ineptitude.

And I know Krags beat Brian Kelly once, something that is inexplicable really.

Charlie has finally pulled us out of the hole Krags dug. And this coming year we'll finally see a football team led by juniors and RS sophomores.


Having said all that, Cincy has forces locally it has to compete against that Louisville does not -- pro teams, and another division I-A basketball program. This is the biggest issue facing the Bearcats.



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Butch Jones was 2-1 vs Charlie. Should have been 3-0 but yall got lucky at home.
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RE: Cincinnati Enquirer take on the ACC Decision to take UofL over UC & UConn...
(05-14-2013 03:09 PM)S11 Wrote:  
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(05-14-2013 12:09 AM)S11 Wrote:  They (Louisville) have so much money that even with a bad hire (kragthorpe) they can still attract and retain a new coach (strong) toget them back on track.

That is an excellent way to squeeze an epic lemon and make some lemonade. I never thought of selling it that way. Thanks for pointing it out. Saying that our football program was good enough to only need four years to overcome a catastrophically BAD coaching hire could be a better selling point than anything else.

In contrast, Cincinnati had three consecutive superb coaching hires and two BCS bowls and still couldn't really drum up a critical mass of local support.

With a smaller budget it limits how quickly and effectively you can both buy out a bad coach and attract/retain an upgrade.

Cincy hasn't been able to retain their coach and additional money may have been able to change that.

In fairness, money was never the issue for any of those coaches.

1- Mark Dantonio never liked it here. He was a B1G guy and he made no secret he wanted to coach in the conference. He was an assistant at MSU for a number of years and jumped at the chance to return to his roots. 2-Brian Kelly is an Irish-catholic from Boston who grew up rooting for the Irish. Plus his ego could not keep him away from coaching at a place like ND.
3- Butch Jones is a well known job hopper going way back. One could argue the P5 conference carrot was a factor for him, but back when he was at Central Michigan, he interviewed at Marshall.

In the instance of Kelly and Jones, UC offered them a substantial pay bump to stay before they left (after bumping their salaries every year the years before).
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