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RE: MSG still in play for ACC?
Having the game in MSG would be great, but there has to be a rotation. There are too many schools in the ACC for it to exclusively be in NY.
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(05-17-2013 06:10 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 02:39 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how you guys just ignore the fact that the Big East has a contract with MSG through 2026 and that when given the opportunity neither MSG nor Barclays even submitted a bid for the ACC tournament.

MSG didn't give any indication that they are even interested in dropping the Big East just MONTHS after signing a long term deal. This is nothing more than ESPN spin. In the Big East the schools buy all the tickets and then sell them to their fan bases. MSG will get it's money and have zero reason to try and get out of it's contract. They will find themselves in court for breach of contract.

This is the ACC tournament in driving distance to most of the league. Are you telling me that they will now travel FARTHER?

[Image: 163678819.0_standard_352.0.jpg]

Lot's of empty seats.

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Turnstile numbers have been down for the ACC tournament.

http://www.indyweek.com/triangleoffense/...the-luster


This is highly misleading. That picture is one of those afternoon sessions on Thursday when people are still at work. Every tourney has those on the first day including the Big East.

The Big East tourny NEVER looks like that. Ask your new Cuse, Pitt and ND friends. People play hookey from work to go to the tourny. I've done it and have sat next to a group of Providence alum still in their suits who took a "long lunch" to watch their Friars play.
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(05-17-2013 03:45 AM)Maize Wrote:  Just a hunch...it would not surprise me if it is mutual interest with MSG/ACC...Let just say this, what is more attractive for MSG, UNC, Duke, Syracuse, Notre Dame & Louisville or Saint John's, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette & Butler....remember they signed that deal when they thought they still had UConn & Louisville with the BIG EAST...07-coffee3

Except MSG knew Houston, SMU, UCF and Tulane was joining.
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RE: MSG still in play for ACC?
(05-17-2013 10:47 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 03:45 AM)Maize Wrote:  Just a hunch...it would not surprise me if it is mutual interest with MSG/ACC...Let just say this, what is more attractive for MSG, UNC, Duke, Syracuse, Notre Dame & Louisville or Saint John's, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette & Butler....remember they signed that deal when they thought they still had UConn & Louisville with the BIG EAST...07-coffee3

Except MSG knew Houston, SMU, UCF and Tulane was joining.

If the BE has MSG all sown up in its hip pocket as you believe, then why is there this ongoing continuous negotiating with the ACC? Doesnt it make sense that if MSG was so excited with the BE that they would tell the Acc to go fly a kite and that we already have a deal with the BE?
All the 30 plus years that the BE held its tourney in MSG, I never heard one peep about another league trying to unseat the BE.
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(05-17-2013 11:02 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 10:47 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 03:45 AM)Maize Wrote:  Just a hunch...it would not surprise me if it is mutual interest with MSG/ACC...Let just say this, what is more attractive for MSG, UNC, Duke, Syracuse, Notre Dame & Louisville or Saint John's, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette & Butler....remember they signed that deal when they thought they still had UConn & Louisville with the BIG EAST...07-coffee3

Except MSG knew Houston, SMU, UCF and Tulane was joining.

If the BE has MSG all sown up in its hip pocket as you believe, then why is there this ongoing continuous negotiating with the ACC? Doesnt it make sense that if MSG was so excited with the BE that they would tell the Acc to go fly a kite and that we already have a deal with the BE?
All the 30 plus years that the BE held its tourney in MSG, I never heard one peep about another league trying to unseat the BE.

Where does it says that MSG is negotiating with the ACC? Nothing in that article says that and MSG hasn't said anything other than they will not comment on speculation.

The article says that a "source" says its going to happen. That is not proof of any type of negotiation. I can easily guess what school this "source" came from.

If MSG wanted the ACC so badly and would do ANYTHING to get them, then why didn't they offer up a bid just MONTHS ago when they could have easily and LEGALLY landed that conference tournament? Ask yourself that question. MSG knew Pitt and Cuse would be playing in that tournament and still refused to even put any type of bid together.
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You can deny that anything is happening as much as you want. But if there was nothing happening, MSG would squash the rumors. The link below, an ESPN reporter explains the benchmarks that the BE has to meet such as attendance, in order to keep MSG. I just dont think they can. You have to select the "Acc investigating MSG" link just below and to the right of video.


ESPN: ACC and MSG
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(05-17-2013 12:15 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  You can deny that anything is happening as much as you want. But if there was nothing happening, MSG would squash the rumors. The link below, an ESPN reporter explains the benchmarks that the BE has to meet such as attendance, in order to keep MSG. I just dont think they can. You have to select the "Acc investigating MSG" link just below and to the right of video.


ESPN: ACC and MSG

What are you talking about? MSG and the Big East signed a deal in March. Thats two whole months ago. If they were really into getting the ACC they would have. They could have walked away from the Big East after the C7 split and signed with ANYONE they wanted.

ESPN owns the rights to the ACC, they own zero rights of the Big East. Wow, I should really listen to everything that ESPN says as gospel!!!! I can't believe that someone who was very recently in the Big East can't see through that ESPN spin. MSG hasn't given a single indication that they are looking to get out of the deal with the Big East that they JUST SIGNED LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AGO!

Seriously, they could have walked away from the Big East legally after the split of the league and knowing full well who was in each league in MARCH, yet still signed a long term deal with the Big East. Now ALL OF A SUDDEN they feel that the ACC is just the super duper bestest conference and they need to breach their contract by negotiating with the ACC.

You do know that the Big East can sue the pants off of MSG for having ANY negotiations with the ACC right now? They have an exclusive contract with the Big East. If they start going behind the Big Easts back and start to contact other conferences they are setting themselves up for a big time lawsuit.
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Guys, It's not NYC vs NC. I enjoyed NY when in visit the lights, the entertainment, the choices in stay and the restaurants, the overall energy of the place I get that. Its no other place like it! All I want to see is the ACC Tourney here in Greensboro or Charlotte at least every fifth year (4 straight then one south) if MSG wants multiple years. preferably on the middle yrs. and the end of the decade yrs. so the Headquarters can have the big anniversary dates for the league.

But OK, if it stay in MSG permanently then let agree that the ACC Football Championship Game stays down south
in Charlotte Permanently! LOL, like we are the decision makers!
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The Big East doesnt even exist, its a conglomerate of schools with No commissioner, no offices, no anything, I feel MSG could get out of a law suit if warranted. However, they wont. this will take time to work out.
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(05-17-2013 02:12 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  The Big East doesnt even exist, its a conglomerate of schools with No commissioner, no offices, no anything, I feel MSG could get out of a law suit if warranted. However, they wont. this will take time to work out.

Really? MSG can get out of the contract because the Big East is looking for a new commish? Really?

They have offices but are looking to move to NYC.
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(05-17-2013 01:05 PM)CK42NC Wrote:  Guys, It's not NYC vs NC. I enjoyed NY when in visit the lights, the entertainment, the choices in stay and the restaurants, the overall energy of the place I get that. Its no other place like it! All I want to see is the ACC Tourney here in Greensboro or Charlotte at least every fifth year (4 straight then one south) if MSG wants multiple years. preferably on the middle yrs. and the end of the decade yrs. so the Headquarters can have the big anniversary dates for the league.

But OK, if it stay in MSG permanently then let agree that the ACC Football Championship Game stays down south
in Charlotte Permanently! LOL, like we are the decision makers!

Though I personally favor having the best team (or highest ranked team if there is a tie) host the conference championship game, I fully agree that Charlotte should stay the host of the football conference championship if there is to be a permanent home. I could be persuaded for another southern city so long as attendance wold not be a problem.
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the only reason msg isn't already signed sealed and delivered to acc is the fact that msg wants a 5 year committment
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I think the ACCT should be played in Greensboro on a regular basis. If they could work out a rotation, say 5 years in Greensboro, 5 at MSG, a couple somewhere else. Then back to either MSG or Greensboro.
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(05-17-2013 09:01 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I think the ACCT should be played in Greensboro on a regular basis. If they could work out a rotation, say 5 years in Greensboro, 5 at MSG, a couple somewhere else. Then back to either MSG or Greensboro.

Well in 2026 the ACC can try and convince MSG that that plan is best for them.
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(05-17-2013 09:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 09:01 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I think the ACCT should be played in Greensboro on a regular basis. If they could work out a rotation, say 5 years in Greensboro, 5 at MSG, a couple somewhere else. Then back to either MSG or Greensboro.

Well in 2026 the ACC can try and convince MSG that that plan is best for them.

Hey I'd much rather it be played in Greensboro every year. I'm just trying to be open minded for the sake of conference unity. If the nBE draws the crowds that MSG wants I guess 26 is the soonest anything could happen and if so, more power to them.
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Play where you get the most media exposure and the most revenue. Revenue is the biggest consideration. 07-coffee3
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IMO, the ACCT will eventually be held at MSG for a continuous period of time (probably 3-5 yrs) acceptable to both the ACC and MSG. After that "trial" period some decision will be made as to which would make the best "home" for the ACCT. Prior to the latest ACC expansion, it seemed that Greensboro was THE best possible place for the ACCT. If, however, the magic of MSG takes the Tournament to a higher level of excitement and national exposure (as many here seem to think) then I hope MSG becomes the permanent home for the ACCT. Otherwise, keep it in Greensboro.

It's somewhat like the ACC FB Championship game. Early consensus seemed to have Florida as its permanent home, but it took a trial period in Jacksonville and Tampa for the ACC to think otherwise. It seems to be doing much better in Charlotte but only time will tell if a neutral site will work for the FB championship game. Last year's game (GT/FSU) was not well attended and one has to wonder what kinds of crowds will show up for, say, Boston College/Miami. The FB Championship game may yet end up at the home stadium of the highest-ranked ACC team. Trial and error will ultimately determine the best locations for both ACC football and basketball championship games.
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(05-16-2013 11:38 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Maybe the new members should give the ACC tournament a chance as members before declaring that it can only be special in MSG.

But Greensboro and the ACC Tournament isn't special currently. It is not shiny or flashy like it once was.
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(05-17-2013 10:04 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 11:38 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Maybe the new members should give the ACC tournament a chance as members before declaring that it can only be special in MSG.

But Greensboro and the ACC Tournament isn't special currently. It is not shiny or flashy like it once was.

This is a great point. I agree. Im not trashing the current Acc Tourney setup. But Marge has described the general view of the Acc Tourney from a national standpoint.
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(05-17-2013 10:01 PM)PhiladelphiaVT Wrote:  IMO, the ACCT will eventually be held at MSG for a continuous period of time (probably 3-5 yrs) acceptable to both the ACC and MSG. After that "trial" period some decision will be made as to which would make the best "home" for the ACCT. Prior to the latest ACC expansion, it seemed that Greensboro was THE best possible place for the ACCT. If, however, the magic of MSG takes the Tournament to a higher level of excitement and national exposure (as many here seem to think) then I hope MSG becomes the permanent home for the ACCT. Otherwise, keep it in Greensboro.

It's somewhat like the ACC FB Championship game. Early consensus seemed to have Florida as its permanent home, but it took a trial period in Jacksonville and Tampa for the ACC to think otherwise. It seems to be doing much better in Charlotte but only time will tell if a neutral site will work for the FB championship game. Last year's game (GT/FSU) was not well attended and one has to wonder what kinds of crowds will show up for, say, Boston College/Miami. The FB Championship game may yet end up at the home stadium of the highest-ranked ACC team. Trial and error will ultimately determine the best locations for both ACC football and basketball championship games.

I think the first thing the ACC should do is run the numbers for the various sites. They should have a good idea of what each site will bring in. Also check whether ESPN will pay more for either site.
Other considerations are if there is an ACC Network. I realize that Greensboro is the traditional home of the ACC tournament but running the numbers seems like the best idea.
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