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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
(05-15-2013 08:19 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote: If the Power 5 do make their own league and leave the NCAA there should be one more league composed of the best teams from the AAC and the MWC. Here are the 12 and why they were chosen:
My comments:
1. Boise State - Great football, basketball is on the upswing and they bring in TV revenue.
Boise St is the only threat to the AAC for getting into a Big Bowl. Regarding Boise St fball, it barely beat mediocre Washington in a bowl. Nevertheless, Boise St will always get consideration over an AAC school if it goes undefeated despite a sorry schedule.
2. Cincinnati - Good football, good basketball. They don't belong in the bottom 5.
The best balanced school left of all the mid-majors. Consequently, it will eventually end up in another conference.
3. Connecticut - Mediocre football, good basketball. The Huskies are in a bad situation right now. The Big 12 won't go after them and the ACC isn't going to expand in a long long time. This is the only way UConn returns to a power conference.
A good choice for either the B1G or ACC.
4. Fresno State - Good football, mediocre basketball. Fresno State brings a really solid presence in a conference. They could be the heavy sleeper in this potential conference.
It’s stuck in M-inum W-age C-onference and will never play in a Big Bowl.
5. Houston - Good football, mediocre basketball. Houston brings in a huge TV market that would help immensely.
Maybe the SEC would consider Houston because of its market. Moreover, the PAC 12 could eventually consider Houston and SMU if Texas and TT stay in the B12.
6. New Mexico - Terrible football, great basketball. The Lobos were the last team I selected in this list. Lobo basketball is just too good to pass up.
If the AAC wants to get Air Force, it needs to consider adding New Mexico. I agree with you; its bball program would be a plus for the AAC and more than compensates for its bad fballl program.
7. San Diego State - Good football, great basketball. San Diego State has really risen to new heights in just a few years. It's too bad some of their fans are douches.
It’s stuck in M-inum W-age C-onference.
8. South Florida - Mediocre football, mediocre basketball. I debated whether or not to put in USF, but I decided to put them in. They have the potential to be really good and I think they could be very soon.
Combined with UCF, it may eventually end up in the B12.
9. Southern Methodist - Decent football, mediocre basketball. SMU is a very interesting school to figure out. They were a football powerhouse in the 80s until they received the death penalty. That Dallas market is just too big to pass up.
Combined with Houston, would give the PAC 12 a good footprint in Texas.
10. Temple - Decent football, good basketball. Temple is another interesting school that could be great and again a great TV market.
I agree.
11. UCF - Good football, mediocre basketball. UCF is my other sleeper in this list.
Combined with USF, it may eventually end up in the B12.
12. UNLV - Horrible football, great basketball. UNLV is the biggest sleeping giant in the NCAA right now. If our football team could wake up and start winning some games we could be anywhere we want to be.
When the new stadium is complete, the PAC 12 might consider UNLV. The PAC 12 also needs to improve its bball, and UNLV would do just that.
There's my twelve. What do you think?
I think you forgot the most intriguing school of all the mid-majors—ECU. It has good fball, good fans, and good facilities to be a good fit for the SEC or the B12. It would also be the most marketable school to pair up with WV.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
Wrong board
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
(05-16-2013 01:21 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote: Wrong board
I guess UNLVFan90 is tired of the tumbleweed threads on the MWC board....
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
(05-16-2013 12:22 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: (05-15-2013 08:19 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote: 10. Temple - Decent football, good basketball. Temple is another interesting school that could be great and again a great TV market.
Temple is not decent at football. They have an all-time win% of .432, has only been to 4 bowl games (2 while in the MAC ['09, '11], 1 in '79, the other in '34), has only been ranked for a grand total of 8 weeks, couldn't even beat a MAC team with a winning record when they were in the MAC
The MAC is a solid football conference, that deserves more kudos than it gets. Temples moving up from the MAC has nothing to do with its football successes. Temple as a school and athletically was not a fit for the MAC. The overall national profile of Temple , largely because of hoops, is greater than any MAC team. But we are grateful for the opportunity the MAC gave Temple. BTW, your conference should also be grateful for Temple, and its outrageously large donation it left in the collection plate on the way out.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
There's no reason at this point for any MAC school to go to any other G5 league, even the AAC. The MAC is in a good place in the current landscape. They have a weak enough bottom of the league and a strong enough top that they'll likely be regular contenders to earn the G5 spot.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
(05-16-2013 08:44 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: There's no reason at this point for any MAC school to go to any other G5 league, even the AAC. The MAC is in a good place in the current landscape. They have a weak enough bottom of the league and a strong enough top that they'll likely be regular contenders to earn the G5 spot.
Yup.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
(05-15-2013 08:19 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote: If the Power 5 do make their own league and leave the NCAA there should be one more league composed of the best teams from the AAC and the MWC. Here are the 12 and why they were chosen:
1. Boise State - Great football, basketball is on the upswing and they bring in TV revenue.
2. Cincinnati - Good football, good basketball. They don't belong in the bottom 5.
3. Connecticut - Mediocre football, good basketball. The Huskies are in a bad situation right now. The Big 12 won't go after them and the ACC isn't going to expand in a long long time. This is the only way UConn returns to a power conference.
4. Fresno State - Good football, mediocre basketball. Fresno State brings a really solid presence in a conference. They could be the heavy sleeper in this potential conference.
5. Houston - Good football, mediocre basketball. Houston brings in a huge TV market that would help immensely.
6. New Mexico - Terrible football, great basketball. The Lobos were the last team I selected in this list. Lobo basketball is just too good to pass up.
7. San Diego State - Good football, great basketball. San Diego State has really risen to new heights in just a few years. It's too bad some of their fans are douches.
8. South Florida - Mediocre football, mediocre basketball. I debated whether or not to put in USF, but I decided to put them in. They have the potential to be really good and I think they could be very soon.
9. Southern Methodist - Decent football, mediocre basketball. SMU is a very interesting school to figure out. They were a football powerhouse in the 80s until they received the death penalty. That Dallas market is just too big to pass up.
10. Temple - Decent football, good basketball. Temple is another interesting school that could be great and again a great TV market.
11. UCF - Good football, mediocre basketball. UCF is my other sleeper in this list.
12. UNLV - Horrible football, great basketball. UNLV is the biggest sleeping giant in the NCAA right now. If our football team could wake up and start winning some games we could be anywhere we want to be.
There's my twelve. What do you think?
So I'm assuming that you assumed Memphis would be invited to a power 5 for basketball and ECU invited to a power 5 for football? Bc leaving then off that list is very idiotic. Memphis is a top 25 all time program in basketball and you left them
off a "best" of the rest haha
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
(05-15-2013 09:08 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: This thread is why we need to be able to neg rep for a post.
No, _sturt_ trolling the CUSA and MAC boards with his crazy cross over competition plans is why we need to be able to negative rep posts.
For this one .. ah, hell, just put up a different list.
(1) Step one, they bring the New Big East up with them, so they don't need to bother with promoting schools for BBall that have terrible FB.
(2) Step two, take BYU, Army, Air Force, and the top 9 FB schools remaining from The American and the MWC, in a six team West and a six team East ...
(3) ... and done.
Now, get to arguing over those 9. I think it includes Boise State and UC and don't really give a damn about the other seven, so have at it.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
(05-15-2013 08:19 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote: If the Power 5 do make their own league and leave the NCAA there should be one more league composed of the best teams from the AAC and the MWC. Here are the 12 and why they were chosen:
1. Boise State - Great football, basketball is on the upswing and they bring in TV revenue.
2. Cincinnati - Good football, good basketball. They don't belong in the bottom 5.
3. Connecticut - Mediocre football, good basketball. The Huskies are in a bad situation right now. The Big 12 won't go after them and the ACC isn't going to expand in a long long time. This is the only way UConn returns to a power conference.
4. Fresno State - Good football, mediocre basketball. Fresno State brings a really solid presence in a conference. They could be the heavy sleeper in this potential conference.
5. Houston - Good football, mediocre basketball. Houston brings in a huge TV market that would help immensely.
6. New Mexico - Terrible football, great basketball. The Lobos were the last team I selected in this list. Lobo basketball is just too good to pass up.
7. San Diego State - Good football, great basketball. San Diego State has really risen to new heights in just a few years. It's too bad some of their fans are douches.
8. South Florida - Mediocre football, mediocre basketball. I debated whether or not to put in USF, but I decided to put them in. They have the potential to be really good and I think they could be very soon.
9. Southern Methodist - Decent football, mediocre basketball. SMU is a very interesting school to figure out. They were a football powerhouse in the 80s until they received the death penalty. That Dallas market is just too big to pass up.
10. Temple - Decent football, good basketball. Temple is another interesting school that could be great and again a great TV market.
11. UCF - Good football, mediocre basketball. UCF is my other sleeper in this list.
12. UNLV - Horrible football, great basketball. UNLV is the biggest sleeping giant in the NCAA right now. If our football team could wake up and start winning some games we could be anywhere we want to be.
There's my twelve. What do you think?
That would be a good conference
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
So basically it was the Big East of December, plus the expansion targets. LOL Thank Boise State for basically this conference not happening!
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
Uh, forgive me but NIU was in the top 25 last year and is projected there again. Plus NIU brings the Chicago tv market which outweighs many of the schools you mention. The fact that Temple is in Phila. and brings that market is the ony justification for their being in this list, so the same logic holds for NIU.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
If your rating programs and not TV revenue, Cincinnati in football and basketball far exceeds Boise State hands down. So does UConn. UConn's football team is not weak, just did not make a bowl. Womens basketball the best for decades and mens have won two national titles in the past 10 years. Boise State can't TOUCH either program. Somehow you mixed TV revenue in there when your statement indicated best sports programs. TV revenue has nothing to do with a programs performance.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
Alright, I have been dragged in.
Comment 1 - no BYU? Seriously? Notwithstanding recent success of BSU and UC, BYU is the best football school not in a Power 5 conference (ignoring ND).
Comment 2:UNLV absolutely belongs in this group, possibly rated higher. One huge thing UNLV brings to the table is the ability to generate athletic revenue.
Comment 3: My top ten: BYU, UConn, UC, BSU, USF, UNLV, UH, UCF, UNM, SDSU
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
OK- so I have a bias toward flagship schools with full graduate programs and schools in metro areas that are air accessible and that I could get my wife to visit for a road game. Listed in a generally east to west order.
1) UCONN
2) Temple
3) USF
4) Cincinnati
5) Memphis
6) Tulane
7) Houston
8) New Mexico
9) BYU
10) Boise
11) SDSU
12) Hawaii
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for 16
13) ECU
14) UCF
15) SMU
16) CSU
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for 20
17) Army
18) Navy
19) AFA
20) Fresno
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
East: Connecticut, Army, East Carolina, Navy
South: Central Florida, South Florida, Southern Miss, Louisiana Tech
West: Air Force, Boise State, Brigham Young, San Diego State
Mid West: Cincinnati, Houston, Southern Methodist, Memphis
But personally I would make it 20.
East: Add (Cincinnati see Mid West)
South: Add (Memphis see Mid West)
West: Add Fresno State
Mid West: Add Wyoming and Nevada and New Mexico move Memphis to the South and Cincinnati to the East.
This conference champ and that of the MAC would occupy two spots in the first round of an 8 team playoff. That leaves 5 slots for the P5 champs and one at large spot. Of course more teams could be accommodated if the MAC expanded.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
(05-15-2013 08:23 PM)NBPirate Wrote: This thread will end well
You beat me to the punch. ECU cannot be left out of this group.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
Man....I can't wait to see which team from the GOF gets the first Access Bowl in 2014-15.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
(05-16-2013 10:38 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: (05-15-2013 08:23 PM)NBPirate Wrote: This thread will end well
You beat me to the punch. ECU cannot be left out of this group.
I added ECU to my list (see below). My list would have been dfferent. However, the op wanted comments on his list that focused on the AAC and MWC:
(05-16-2013 01:07 AM)Underdog Wrote: (05-15-2013 08:19 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote: If the Power 5 do make their own league and leave the NCAA there should be one more league composed of the best teams from the AAC and the MWC. Here are the 12 and why they were chosen:
My comments:
1. Boise State - Great football, basketball is on the upswing and they bring in TV revenue.
Boise St is the only threat to the AAC for getting into a Big Bowl. Regarding Boise St fball, it barely beat mediocre Washington in a bowl. Nevertheless, Boise St will always get consideration over an AAC school if it goes undefeated despite a sorry schedule.
2. Cincinnati - Good football, good basketball. They don't belong in the bottom 5.
The best balanced school left of all the mid-majors. Consequently, it will eventually end up in another conference.
3. Connecticut - Mediocre football, good basketball. The Huskies are in a bad situation right now. The Big 12 won't go after them and the ACC isn't going to expand in a long long time. This is the only way UConn returns to a power conference.
A good choice for either the B1G or ACC.
4. Fresno State - Good football, mediocre basketball. Fresno State brings a really solid presence in a conference. They could be the heavy sleeper in this potential conference.
It’s stuck in M-inum W-age C-onference and will never play in a Big Bowl.
5. Houston - Good football, mediocre basketball. Houston brings in a huge TV market that would help immensely.
Maybe the SEC would consider Houston because of its market. Moreover, the PAC 12 could eventually consider Houston and SMU if Texas and TT stay in the B12.
6. New Mexico - Terrible football, great basketball. The Lobos were the last team I selected in this list. Lobo basketball is just too good to pass up.
If the AAC wants to get Air Force, it needs to consider adding New Mexico. I agree with you; its bball program would be a plus for the AAC and more than compensates for its bad fballl program.
7. San Diego State - Good football, great basketball. San Diego State has really risen to new heights in just a few years. It's too bad some of their fans are douches.
It’s stuck in M-inum W-age C-onference.
8. South Florida - Mediocre football, mediocre basketball. I debated whether or not to put in USF, but I decided to put them in. They have the potential to be really good and I think they could be very soon.
Combined with UCF, it may eventually end up in the B12.
9. Southern Methodist - Decent football, mediocre basketball. SMU is a very interesting school to figure out. They were a football powerhouse in the 80s until they received the death penalty. That Dallas market is just too big to pass up.
Combined with Houston, would give the PAC 12 a good footprint in Texas.
10. Temple - Decent football, good basketball. Temple is another interesting school that could be great and again a great TV market.
I agree.
11. UCF - Good football, mediocre basketball. UCF is my other sleeper in this list.
Combined with USF, it may eventually end up in the B12.
12. UNLV - Horrible football, great basketball. UNLV is the biggest sleeping giant in the NCAA right now. If our football team could wake up and start winning some games we could be anywhere we want to be.
When the new stadium is complete, the PAC 12 might consider UNLV. The PAC 12 also needs to improve its bball, and UNLV would do just that.
There's my twelve. What do you think?
I think you forgot the most intriguing school of all the mid-majors—ECU. It has good fball, good fans, and good facilities to be a good fit for the SEC or the B12. It would also be the most marketable school to pair up with WV.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
(05-16-2013 02:50 PM)bigredmachine Wrote: Uh, forgive me but NIU was in the top 25 last year and is projected there again. Plus NIU brings the Chicago tv market which outweighs many of the schools you mention. The fact that Temple is in Phila. and brings that market is the ony justification for their being in this list, so the same logic holds for NIU.
You guys were ranked and had a BCS run but STILL never had over 18-19k. You don't carry the Chicago market nor do you deserve to be in a Best of the rest conference.
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RE: Top 12 Best of the Rest
(05-17-2013 08:49 AM)Cougar King Wrote: (05-16-2013 02:50 PM)bigredmachine Wrote: Uh, forgive me but NIU was in the top 25 last year and is projected there again. Plus NIU brings the Chicago tv market which outweighs many of the schools you mention. The fact that Temple is in Phila. and brings that market is the ony justification for their being in this list, so the same logic holds for NIU.
You guys were ranked and had a BCS run but STILL never had over 18-19k. You don't carry the Chicago market nor do you deserve to be in a Best of the rest conference.
Based on football on-the-field performance we do. If attendance is included, no.
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