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RE: Irish Need A BCS Bowl In 2013
(05-17-2013 09:20 AM)orangefan Wrote: (05-17-2013 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (05-17-2013 06:21 AM)omniorange Wrote: ND can be chosen as a semi-finalist in the playoffs.
ND can obtain a spot opposite the ACC representative in the Orange Bowl (when that bowl isn't a semi-final game) as long as the Irish outrank the best available BiG team or SEC team.
They can be chosen for a non-semi-final "Event Bowl" by the selection committee, if they don't qualify in the two scenarios above.
Neil, by my understanding the bolded part is not possible. The only "event" (the 4 bowls in the playoff rotation that are NOT hosting playoffs in a given year) bowl ND can play in is the Orange, it can never play in any of the other 5 playoff-rotation bowls unless those bowls are hosting a semifinal.
This severely limits ND access to these 4 non-playoff major bowls. Correct me if i am wrong ..
2014-15
Sugar and Rose: Semi-finals
Orange: ACC v. B1G, SEC or ND
Cotton, Fiesta, Peach: B1G, SEC, P12, B12, G5, 1 At Large
If I understand it correctly, there would be only one available slot for ND in this scenario aside from the Orange.
2015-16
Orange and Cotton: Semi-finals
Sugar: B12 v. SEC
Rose: B1G v. P12
Fiesta, Peach: ACC, G5, 2(?) At Large
I'm not sure if the B1G/SEC/ND slot in the OB is guaranteed an Access Bowl slot. Not sure it matters from ND's perspective, as it is eligible for the OB slot in any event.
2016-17
Fiesta and Peach: Semi-finals
Sugar: B12 v. SEC
Rose: B1G v. P12
Orange: ACC v. B1G, SEC or ND
Cotton: G5 v. At Large
Basically, in any given season, ND appears to be fighting for a semi-final slot (unlimited), an OB slot (2 maximum over 12 years), or a single At Large slot (unlimited).
There are not secondary tie-ins, except for the Orange Bowl trio. The way the placement works, if the contract bowl is used, then that conference that owns that bowl is guaranteed ONE spot somewhere in the system. If that spot is used by a team in a semifinal, then there is no additional spot guaranteed for that conference. Conversely, if that conference does not place a team in the semifinals, then a spot in one of the access bowls will be reserved for that conference's champion. The Orange Bowl opponent of the ACC is from the SEC/B1G/ND (with some conditions), but that spot is not guaranteed in those years the OB is a semifinal.
Another way to look at it, there are always at least 5 at-large spots (4 semifinal spots, plus one access spot). Also guaranteed (but not mutually exclusive) are spots for the champions of the ACC, B1G, PAC, SEC, and XII, and one spot for the best G5 champ.
In some years, there will be more at-large spots, but there will never be less than 5. If by some miracle the top 4 spots are all non-contract conference teams, then each of the contract conferences still get a spot, plus two at-large spots and the conditional OB spot for the SEC/B1G/ND when the OB is not a semifinal.
For example, using this past season's BCS standings to place teams into the 2014 system, the semifinals (Rose, Sugar) would have Alabama (SEC Champ), ND, Florida, and Oregon. Since the Sugar was a semi-final game, the SEC would be guaranteed a spot in the system, but it already has that in Alabama, so it would not be guaranteed another spot. However, the SEC would still be able to place other teams in the system by ranking (such as UF, LSU, TAMU, and Georgia). Same for the PAC, who placed a school in the playoff, but is fortunate enough to have their champion also highly ranked to earn a second spot in the BCS. The XII and B1G did not place teams in the playoff, but are guaranteed spots in access bowls.
The problem is people get stuck on thinking the guaranteed spots and the semifinal spots are mutually exclusive when they are not.
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