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RE: Irish Need A BCS Bowl In 2013
Call Father Jenkins and ask if he will fire Jack Swarbrick and hire you as the next ND AD.

ND cannot get a Fiesta Bowl bid? Where is that link?

What access bowl deal would you have cut? Would you have refused the Orange Bowl deal?

What would have been ND's minor bowl options after 2013 without the ACC deal?

Are the ACC's bowl bids worse than if ND had remained in the AAC or joined the Big East (C7)?

What option would you have advised Father Jenkins to take absent full conference membership? (That was and is off the table).

ND didn't really want a partial deal to play in middle America with the Big 12. It leveraged the Big 12 partial membership talks to get a similar deal with an ACC on the East Coast from Boston to Miami, where it wanted to be.

What ACC bowl bid "complications" are you referring to other than ND has to have an equal or one game difference in record to be considered?

ND only got BCS money on a "commission basis" for years under the old BCS. It kept $17.5 million if it made a BCS bowl and $0 from the BCS if it did not.

ND loved that deal. Other schools and conferences bitched and moaned about it and it was changed to $4.5 million if it made the BCS and $1.3 million if it did not.

Seriously, $1.3 million? The playoff deal for ND is just as similar to a "commission basis" as the old BCS deal was.

ND likes and is used to the "commission deal". How would you have guaranteed playoff money for an independent ND?

Are you positive ND gets no playoff money at all if it isn't in the top four? If so, that is ok (status quo). I just wanted to see the link.
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(05-17-2013 07:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 11:44 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 10:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't know why you should be scared. History shows the ACC is more than willing to bend over and grab it's ankles for ND in regards to football, what would year early matter?

You may believe that we "bent the ACC over" but many ND fans would say it was the other way around. 125 years of our history we had freedom to schedule whoever we wanted and not have to be told who to play. That has changed, for the first time almost half of our schedule is being dictated by a conference. Now none of this may matter to you or fit the narrative your trying to push but that was/is a big thing to a school who built their identity as being Catholic and independent(Amongst other things) I think both parties made out pretty well and I don't think we took advantage of anyone.

The ACC deal is dreadful for Notre Dame. Any deal that gives a conference commissioner the power to fill FIVE slots in Notre Dame's schedule makes a mockery of the idea that the Irish are still an "independent".

Also, the deal means that Notre Dame will be a very rare participant in the BCS access bowls. First, ND can only ever play in the Orange Bowl, it can never play in any other access bowl, so that means that once out of every three years ND will surely not be playing in an access bowl (once in three years the OB will be in the playoff rotation). Second, ND can only play in the Orange Bowl, at most, once every three years that the OB is an access bowl, so that means ND can AT MOST be in an access bowl once every four years. And while it can play in an access bowl no MORE than once in four years, there is no minimum number of times it will be in the OB: If in a three year period when the OB is an access bowl ND is never higher-ranked than BOTH the highest-ranked available B1G AND SEC team (a very stringent requirement), ND does not get the OB access bid. I bet ND makes the OB as an access bowl team maybe once a decade.

Finally, ND's access to other bowls is via the ACC, which doesn't historically have very good bowl tie-ins, and their access to these bowls is subject to the same kinds of complications related to number of times ND can be chosen over an ACC team. Just as when ND was affiliated with the Big East, it is very likely that an ND team that is say 9-3 will end up playing in something like the Hawaii Bowl because of bad tie-ins.

Bigger picture: In the ACC deal ND is strictly on a "commission" basis: If ND doesn't make the playoffs (a very hard thing to do) it will not make much money or get much exposure from the ACC deal system. The ACC deal provides almost nothing, and yet that deal saved the ACC. Terrible negotiating by Notre Dame.

You have some misinformation there. OB is never an access bowl. It's either a semifinal or contract bowl.

Second, ND can play in any access bowl it gets selected to which could be every year as far as we're concerned.

Third, ACC bowl tie-ins aren't like the SEC or BIG, but are just as good as everyone else's. As a matter of fact, they will be much better than the others when the latest rounds are done. A 9-3 ND team will not be playing in the lowest bowl for the conference. You can forget that.

You think ND would enter into a deal with the ACC if it provided them NOTHING. You're more misinformed than I thought.
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It is funny. The ones proclaiming the ND/ACC deal as a terrible thing are fans of neither ND or the ACC (unless I believe that Quo is an ND fan).

Some people look at the deal and say ND gets everything and the ACC gets nothing.

Others look at the same deal and say ND did a terrible job of negotiating.

Meanwhile, most ND people are happy with the deal and most ACC people are happy with the deal.

It is a curious thing, indeed.
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Quo is definitely NOT a ND nor ACC fan.....just likes stirring the pot. He's still upset his school is stuck in the AAC making minimum wage.
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(05-17-2013 06:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I can re-post all of these links again but Google is everyone's friend.

Friend yes. But many choose to ignore this friend for some reason.
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It is funny, ND is available for the Orange Bowl as the opponent against the ACC and they are also available for the Access Bowls as well...like it was said...Google & Bing are your friends...lol
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That's some sensationalist phrasing from ESPN. The same bowl issue was in place for ND last years and several other times in the BCS when it exhausted its Big East-related tie-ins. Sure, there's a chance of this happening, but I'd wager that ND would find its way into a bowl game more likely than not (assuming that they're bowl-eligible).
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An 11-1 ND will get into the BCS. A 9-3 (or even 6-6) ND will get into a bowl somewhere. The SEC has 10 bowl tie-ins and hasn't filled them all in years (even when they had 9). Army has a tie-in, which it may not be able to fill (as do BYU and Navy, but those are at least winning programs of late). Plus, CUSA couldn't fill their 5 tie-ins last season either. There will be an opening. And as the OP suggests, someone will buy a conference out of a spot, if necessary, especailly considering this is the last year of the current deals. The ACC might even play nice and offer up one of their spots a year early, considering ND is joining for olympic sports this fall.
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(05-17-2013 07:31 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 07:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 11:44 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 10:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't know why you should be scared. History shows the ACC is more than willing to bend over and grab it's ankles for ND in regards to football, what would year early matter?

You may believe that we "bent the ACC over" but many ND fans would say it was the other way around. 125 years of our history we had freedom to schedule whoever we wanted and not have to be told who to play. That has changed, for the first time almost half of our schedule is being dictated by a conference. Now none of this may matter to you or fit the narrative your trying to push but that was/is a big thing to a school who built their identity as being Catholic and independent(Amongst other things) I think both parties made out pretty well and I don't think we took advantage of anyone.

The ACC deal is dreadful for Notre Dame. Any deal that gives a conference commissioner the power to fill FIVE slots in Notre Dame's schedule makes a mockery of the idea that the Irish are still an "independent".

Also, the deal means that Notre Dame will be a very rare participant in the BCS access bowls. First, ND can only ever play in the Orange Bowl, it can never play in any other access bowl, so that means that once out of every three years ND will surely not be playing in an access bowl (once in three years the OB will be in the playoff rotation). Second, ND can only play in the Orange Bowl, at most, once every three years that the OB is an access bowl, so that means ND can AT MOST be in an access bowl once every four years. And while it can play in an access bowl no MORE than once in four years, there is no minimum number of times it will be in the OB: If in a three year period when the OB is an access bowl ND is never higher-ranked than BOTH the highest-ranked available B1G AND SEC team (a very stringent requirement), ND does not get the OB access bid. I bet ND makes the OB as an access bowl team maybe once a decade.

Finally, ND's access to other bowls is via the ACC, which doesn't historically have very good bowl tie-ins, and their access to these bowls is subject to the same kinds of complications related to number of times ND can be chosen over an ACC team. Just as when ND was affiliated with the Big East, it is very likely that an ND team that is say 9-3 will end up playing in something like the Hawaii Bowl because of bad tie-ins.

Bigger picture: In the ACC deal ND is strictly on a "commission" basis: If ND doesn't make the playoffs (a very hard thing to do) it will not make much money or get much exposure from the ACC deal system. The ACC deal provides almost nothing, and yet that deal saved the ACC. Terrible negotiating by Notre Dame.

You have some misinformation there. OB is never an access bowl. It's either a semifinal or contract bowl.

Second, ND can play in any access bowl it gets selected to which could be every year as far as we're concerned.

Third, ACC bowl tie-ins aren't like the SEC or BIG, but are just as good as everyone else's. As a matter of fact, they will be much better than the others when the latest rounds are done. A 9-3 ND team will not be playing in the lowest bowl for the conference. You can forget that.

You think ND would enter into a deal with the ACC if it provided them NOTHING. You're more misinformed than I thought.

By 'access bowl' i meant a bowl that is in the six bowl playoff rotation but in a particular year is not one of the semifinal games. If that is the wrong term i apologize but i think you now what i mean.

So using that terminology, in a given year if the rose ans sugar are the semis games the the chik, fiesta, cotton, and orange are the access bowls. ND will have very limited access to those four slots as it can only ever be in the OB not any of the others when they are access bowls. In the scenario above, ND couldnot possibly be selected for the chik, cotton or fiesta bowls, and if it is a year when the OB is a semi, ND is ineligible to be selected for any of the four access bowls. If i am wrong please explain.

Obviously, like any other school, ND can play in any of the six major bowls if they make the playoffs. But i was talking about years when ND is not in the playoffs but could play in a major bowl.
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(05-17-2013 06:21 AM)omniorange Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 11:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I think the issue is that if they don't grab the ACC's BCS spot that they have no tie ins to other bowls. This will become an irrelevant point because the number of tie ins for some of the P5 will go unfilled due to the coming playoffs and years, like last year, when the SEC didn't fill all of its spots. In that case the vacated slot would easily go to a 8 - 4 Irish team for the mid-range bowls. The real risk they run is when they are 9 - 3 and get bumped down to an open lower bowl because conferences with tie ins to the higher yielding bowls are not going to get bought out and they are not going to relinquish their spot and those spots will likely never go unfilled.

Not sure where you are coming from here. As I understand it...

ND can be chosen as a semi-finalist in the playoffs.

ND can obtain a spot opposite the ACC representative in the Orange Bowl (when that bowl isn't a semi-final game) as long as the Irish outrank the best available BiG team or SEC team.

They can be chosen for a non-semi-final "Event Bowl" by the selection committee, if they don't qualify in the two scenarios above.

And lastly, if I'm understanding the ACC/ND deal correctly, they will be in the pool with other ACC teams for any bowls that affiliate with the conference, getting a 1/15th share of all of those monies combined if they don't qualify for the three scenarios above.

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I defer to your knowledge on this one Neil. That sounds familiar to me. I trusted my memory on this one instead of looking it up.
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(05-17-2013 06:21 AM)omniorange Wrote:  ND can be chosen as a semi-finalist in the playoffs.

ND can obtain a spot opposite the ACC representative in the Orange Bowl (when that bowl isn't a semi-final game) as long as the Irish outrank the best available BiG team or SEC team.

They can be chosen for a non-semi-final "Event Bowl" by the selection committee, if they don't qualify in the two scenarios above.

Neil, by my understanding the bolded part is not possible. The only "event" (the 4 bowls in the playoff rotation that are NOT hosting playoffs in a given year) bowl ND can play in is the Orange, it can never play in any of the other 5 playoff-rotation bowls unless those bowls are hosting a semifinal.

This severely limits ND access to these 4 non-playoff major bowls. Correct me if i am wrong ..
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(05-17-2013 08:20 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  That's some sensationalist phrasing from ESPN. The same bowl issue was in place for ND last years and several other times in the BCS when it exhausted its Big East-related tie-ins. Sure, there's a chance of this happening, but I'd wager that ND would find its way into a bowl game more likely than not (assuming that they're bowl-eligible).

I agree. Quick review of ND's bowl situation during the BCS era:

Seasons: 15
ND Bowl Eligible: 11 times
BCS Bowls: 4
Big East Bowls: 4 (1998 Gator, 2002 Gator, 2004 Insight, 2011 Champs)
At Large Bowls: 2 (2008 Hawaii Bowl (CUSA slot), 2010 Sun Bowl (Pac 10 slot))
No Bowl: 2009 (6-6 record)

During 2012-13, at least 8 bowls slots were not filled by the contract conference. (New Mexico, Beef O'Brady's, Little Caesars, Military (both slots), Independence (both slots), Liberty). This was unusually high due to several NCAA probations, but shows slots come open.

Bottom line: ND will find a bowl if they need one.
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(05-17-2013 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 06:21 AM)omniorange Wrote:  ND can be chosen as a semi-finalist in the playoffs.

ND can obtain a spot opposite the ACC representative in the Orange Bowl (when that bowl isn't a semi-final game) as long as the Irish outrank the best available BiG team or SEC team.

They can be chosen for a non-semi-final "Event Bowl" by the selection committee, if they don't qualify in the two scenarios above.

Neil, by my understanding the bolded part is not possible. The only "event" (the 4 bowls in the playoff rotation that are NOT hosting playoffs in a given year) bowl ND can play in is the Orange, it can never play in any of the other 5 playoff-rotation bowls unless those bowls are hosting a semifinal.

This severely limits ND access to these 4 non-playoff major bowls. Correct me if i am wrong ..

I think that they can't play in the Rose or Sugar unless it is a semi and they are in it. They can be selected for the Cotton, Peach and Fiesta.
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(05-17-2013 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 06:21 AM)omniorange Wrote:  ND can be chosen as a semi-finalist in the playoffs.

ND can obtain a spot opposite the ACC representative in the Orange Bowl (when that bowl isn't a semi-final game) as long as the Irish outrank the best available BiG team or SEC team.

They can be chosen for a non-semi-final "Event Bowl" by the selection committee, if they don't qualify in the two scenarios above.

Neil, by my understanding the bolded part is not possible. The only "event" (the 4 bowls in the playoff rotation that are NOT hosting playoffs in a given year) bowl ND can play in is the Orange, it can never play in any of the other 5 playoff-rotation bowls unless those bowls are hosting a semifinal.

This severely limits ND access to these 4 non-playoff major bowls. Correct me if i am wrong ..

You are wrong.

If ND is rated in the top 4, they will earn a spot in the semifinals.

If ND is rated between 5-9, they will (likely) get an "at-large" spot in an access bowl, if not a spot in the OB.

ND is not excluded from an access bowl spot - nobody is. Those spots will purely be chosen by ranking per the selection committee.

The payout for the teams participating in the bowls is also comparatively low (about $6M) - mostly because ND (or any independent) is eligible to earn that all for themselves. ND will also get about $4M just for being ND.
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(05-17-2013 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 06:21 AM)omniorange Wrote:  ND can be chosen as a semi-finalist in the playoffs.

ND can obtain a spot opposite the ACC representative in the Orange Bowl (when that bowl isn't a semi-final game) as long as the Irish outrank the best available BiG team or SEC team.

They can be chosen for a non-semi-final "Event Bowl" by the selection committee, if they don't qualify in the two scenarios above.

Neil, by my understanding the bolded part is not possible. The only "event" (the 4 bowls in the playoff rotation that are NOT hosting playoffs in a given year) bowl ND can play in is the Orange, it can never play in any of the other 5 playoff-rotation bowls unless those bowls are hosting a semifinal.

This severely limits ND access to these 4 non-playoff major bowls. Correct me if i am wrong ..

2014-15
Sugar and Rose: Semi-finals
Orange: ACC v. B1G, SEC or ND
Cotton, Fiesta, Peach: B1G, SEC, P12, B12, G5, 1 At Large

If I understand it correctly, there would be only one available slot for ND in this scenario aside from the Orange.

2015-16
Orange and Cotton: Semi-finals
Sugar: B12 v. SEC
Rose: B1G v. P12
Fiesta, Peach: ACC, G5, 2(?) At Large

I'm not sure if the B1G/SEC/ND slot in the OB is guaranteed an Access Bowl slot. Not sure it matters from ND's perspective, as it is eligible for the OB slot in any event.

2016-17
Fiesta and Peach: Semi-finals
Sugar: B12 v. SEC
Rose: B1G v. P12
Orange: ACC v. B1G, SEC or ND
Cotton: G5 v. At Large

Basically, in any given season, ND appears to be fighting for a semi-final slot (unlimited), an OB slot (2 maximum over 12 years), or a single At Large slot (unlimited).
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At 0, 1 or 2 losses they will qualify for a BCS game.

However at 3 losses they could not qualify. The last 2 seasons a bowl eligible teams from the Sun Belt and MAC have been sitting at home for the holidays. No doubt they would be the ones to be paid off.

If I were that school I would ask for a paycheck game in South Bend on top of what ever they are willing to pay up front.
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I know the ND AD has done well for the school but seriously how did he miss not having a non-BCS Bowl tie in contracted for 2012 and 2013?
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(05-17-2013 09:20 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 06:21 AM)omniorange Wrote:  ND can be chosen as a semi-finalist in the playoffs.

ND can obtain a spot opposite the ACC representative in the Orange Bowl (when that bowl isn't a semi-final game) as long as the Irish outrank the best available BiG team or SEC team.

They can be chosen for a non-semi-final "Event Bowl" by the selection committee, if they don't qualify in the two scenarios above.

Neil, by my understanding the bolded part is not possible. The only "event" (the 4 bowls in the playoff rotation that are NOT hosting playoffs in a given year) bowl ND can play in is the Orange, it can never play in any of the other 5 playoff-rotation bowls unless those bowls are hosting a semifinal.

This severely limits ND access to these 4 non-playoff major bowls. Correct me if i am wrong ..

2014-15
Sugar and Rose: Semi-finals
Orange: ACC v. B1G, SEC or ND
Cotton, Fiesta, Peach: B1G, SEC, P12, B12, G5, 1 At Large

If I understand it correctly, there would be only one available slot for ND in this scenario aside from the Orange.

2015-16
Orange and Cotton: Semi-finals
Sugar: B12 v. SEC
Rose: B1G v. P12
Fiesta, Peach: ACC, G5, 2(?) At Large

I'm not sure if the B1G/SEC/ND slot in the OB is guaranteed an Access Bowl slot. Not sure it matters from ND's perspective, as it is eligible for the OB slot in any event.

2016-17
Fiesta and Peach: Semi-finals
Sugar: B12 v. SEC
Rose: B1G v. P12
Orange: ACC v. B1G, SEC or ND
Cotton: G5 v. At Large

Basically, in any given season, ND appears to be fighting for a semi-final slot (unlimited), an OB slot (2 maximum over 12 years), or a single At Large slot (unlimited).

There are not secondary tie-ins, except for the Orange Bowl trio. The way the placement works, if the contract bowl is used, then that conference that owns that bowl is guaranteed ONE spot somewhere in the system. If that spot is used by a team in a semifinal, then there is no additional spot guaranteed for that conference. Conversely, if that conference does not place a team in the semifinals, then a spot in one of the access bowls will be reserved for that conference's champion. The Orange Bowl opponent of the ACC is from the SEC/B1G/ND (with some conditions), but that spot is not guaranteed in those years the OB is a semifinal.

Another way to look at it, there are always at least 5 at-large spots (4 semifinal spots, plus one access spot). Also guaranteed (but not mutually exclusive) are spots for the champions of the ACC, B1G, PAC, SEC, and XII, and one spot for the best G5 champ.

In some years, there will be more at-large spots, but there will never be less than 5. If by some miracle the top 4 spots are all non-contract conference teams, then each of the contract conferences still get a spot, plus two at-large spots and the conditional OB spot for the SEC/B1G/ND when the OB is not a semifinal.

For example, using this past season's BCS standings to place teams into the 2014 system, the semifinals (Rose, Sugar) would have Alabama (SEC Champ), ND, Florida, and Oregon. Since the Sugar was a semi-final game, the SEC would be guaranteed a spot in the system, but it already has that in Alabama, so it would not be guaranteed another spot. However, the SEC would still be able to place other teams in the system by ranking (such as UF, LSU, TAMU, and Georgia). Same for the PAC, who placed a school in the playoff, but is fortunate enough to have their champion also highly ranked to earn a second spot in the BCS. The XII and B1G did not place teams in the playoff, but are guaranteed spots in access bowls.

The problem is people get stuck on thinking the guaranteed spots and the semifinal spots are mutually exclusive when they are not.
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(05-17-2013 09:20 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 06:21 AM)omniorange Wrote:  ND can be chosen as a semi-finalist in the playoffs.

ND can obtain a spot opposite the ACC representative in the Orange Bowl (when that bowl isn't a semi-final game) as long as the Irish outrank the best available BiG team or SEC team.

They can be chosen for a non-semi-final "Event Bowl" by the selection committee, if they don't qualify in the two scenarios above.

Neil, by my understanding the bolded part is not possible. The only "event" (the 4 bowls in the playoff rotation that are NOT hosting playoffs in a given year) bowl ND can play in is the Orange, it can never play in any of the other 5 playoff-rotation bowls unless those bowls are hosting a semifinal.

This severely limits ND access to these 4 non-playoff major bowls. Correct me if i am wrong ..

2014-15
Sugar and Rose: Semi-finals
Orange: ACC v. B1G, SEC or ND
Cotton, Fiesta, Peach: B1G, SEC, P12, B12, G5, 1 At Large

If I understand it correctly, there would be only one available slot for ND in this scenario aside from the Orange.

2015-16
Orange and Cotton: Semi-finals
Sugar: B12 v. SEC
Rose: B1G v. P12
Fiesta, Peach: ACC, G5, 2(?) At Large

I'm not sure if the B1G/SEC/ND slot in the OB is guaranteed an Access Bowl slot. Not sure it matters from ND's perspective, as it is eligible for the OB slot in any event.

2016-17
Fiesta and Peach: Semi-finals
Sugar: B12 v. SEC
Rose: B1G v. P12
Orange: ACC v. B1G, SEC or ND
Cotton: G5 v. At Large

Basically, in any given season, ND appears to be fighting for a semi-final slot (unlimited), an OB slot (2 maximum over 12 years), or a single At Large slot (unlimited).

So i was wrong. Thanks for the breakdown. 04-cheers
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RE: Irish Need A BCS Bowl In 2013
(05-17-2013 09:06 AM)samandrea Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-17-2013 06:21 AM)omniorange Wrote:  ND can be chosen as a semi-finalist in the playoffs.

ND can obtain a spot opposite the ACC representative in the Orange Bowl (when that bowl isn't a semi-final game) as long as the Irish outrank the best available BiG team or SEC team.

They can be chosen for a non-semi-final "Event Bowl" by the selection committee, if they don't qualify in the two scenarios above.

Neil, by my understanding the bolded part is not possible. The only "event" (the 4 bowls in the playoff rotation that are NOT hosting playoffs in a given year) bowl ND can play in is the Orange, it can never play in any of the other 5 playoff-rotation bowls unless those bowls are hosting a semifinal.

This severely limits ND access to these 4 non-playoff major bowls. Correct me if i am wrong ..

I think that they can't play in the Rose or Sugar unless it is a semi and they are in it. They can be selected for the Cotton, Peach and Fiesta.

(05-17-2013 09:48 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  I know the ND AD has done well for the school but seriously how did he miss not having a non-BCS Bowl tie in contracted for 2012 and 2013?

He didn't miss it. ND used up the "one year in four" option for the Champs Bowl in 2011.

That is the only Big East bowl tie in that ND had.

There are no non-conference bowl tie-ins.

ND will not be eligible for ACC bowls until 2014.

Thus, there is nothing to "miss", there are just no options. Such is life.
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