HerdZoned: Did you read my post....the starting RB for Miami ran only 17 times for 92 yards. A 3rd stringer that had never played a down had two TD's, and the second string QB had 2 TD's, so at least in the backfield the starters were obviously gone pretty early. Again, I can't vouch for the lineman but it makes little sense not to let everyone play in a game like that. I couldn't find all the stats for the game, but my recollection was that Miami ran it 82 times and threw 8 passes.

But yeah, I would have to agree that a TD with 6 seconds left would be indefensible in a game like that. And I also think we're going to have a pretty bad team this fall.

I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle when it comes to that 1971 game. Was it as egregious as most Herd fans now make it out to be? Highly doubtful. Do I really want to hang 67+ on them come August 31? You bet.

(05-19-2013 06:08 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  Do I really want to hang 67+ on them come August 31? You bet.

I think we have the O- to do that. As talented as we were when we came into the MAC, I think our skill players are even better right now. With the exception of us not having a "Randy Moss". Of course no one has had a "Randy Moss" either.

I predict Little Miami has a real rough day when Aug 31 comes. They will be breaking a new QB in and their star WR has been suspended indef. (#2 in receptions and TDs at Little Miami). They have never run up against on O- that doesn't let the play clock get below 20 seconds. Which means they can't sub players in and out unless they call a time out or we decide to sub in and out and that's rare. Once the ball is spotted 9 times out of 10 Rakeem Cato is ready to snap the ball.

Miami lost their QB to graduation, their top receiver to the Law, and return a backfield that averaged 86 yrds/game. Miami won't win this one without some help from Marshall.

(05-19-2013 06:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Miami lost their QB to graduation, their top receiver to the Law, and return a backfield that averaged 86 yrds/game. Miami won't win this one without some help from Marshall.

If our D doesn't improve from last year then all bets are off

I don't think anybody intended to run up the score. Here is the article from Miami's Student Newspaper:

From The Miami Student, Tuesday, October 5, 1971
66-6
By Phil Coffin

For three minutes it resembled a real football game.

Marshall's youthful team held Miami on the first series of plays, forcing a punt. But the Herd was guilty of roughing kicker Dave Graham and a minute and a half later quarterback Stu Showalter was standing in the end zone with Miami's first touchdown.

From there, the game turned into an uneventful but unintentional rout which ended with Miami overwhelmed (sic) the Herd, 66-6.

Despite the lopsided victory, it turned out to be costly once more. Defensive halfback Doug Sherman was injured on a punt return and required surgery on his left knee Sunday. Sherman, a senior, will be out for the season.

"We're getting a real knee problem," complained Miami coach Bill Mallory. "That makes five knee operations for this team."

Denny Costello will move into the starting lineup to replace Sherman.

Miami dominated the game so completely that Marshall finished with two yards net offense and the Redskins amassed 90 offensive plays to the Herd's 39.

Marshall was handicapped even further for the weekend contest as starting quarterback Reggie Oliver was out with a pulled muscle in his throwing arm. Oliver was ranked 20th in the nation in passing and 25th in total offense.

To top it off, though, neither of the Herd's backup quarterbacks had played any this year, which resulted in three fumbles, three interceptions, and four completions in 17 passing attempts.

But for Miami, it was a day of complete success--almost. The Skins chewed up 359 yards on the ground and set a school record of 83 rushing attempts.

And placekicker Graham successfully converted all 9 extra points to run to 15 his string of consecutive placements.

Yet, there were a few mistakes, which, if nothing else, provided the game with a modicum of excitement.

At the beginning of the fourth quarter, Graham went back to punt with the second team punting unit in. The left side of the line didn't hold very well and basketball player-turned footballer Dave Smith blocked the kick. Felix Jordan picked the ball up on the bounce and ran it in 36 yards for Marshall's only score.

And then, later in the fourth quarter, with Miami deep in Marshall territory, the ball was centered--without QB Steve Williams there yet. With the ball high in the air, a startled but alert Fred Payne recovered for Marshall.

Aside from that, the game was a Miami machine which turned Marshall's errors and ineffectual offense into score after score. In fact, the Redskins scored the first five times they had the ball to build up a 31-0 lead at the half.

And yet, despite the score, Mallory claimed there was no effort to fatten up the score.

"My intentions were not to run up the score," the coach explained, "but they gave us such good field position, and you can't keep the kids from playing hard."

And while many fans were complaining that Mallory should have insetted his third string, he stated that he would have willingly--had Miami had a third string.

"We've only got 61 players," Mallory stressed, "but that leaves us with only about three or four players for third-string offense and defense."

Bob Hitchens was the Redskins' main offensive thrust again, with 92 yards rushing and three touchdowns. But Mallory was more pleased with the performances of Dean Harmony, Ken Watson, Chris Brockmeyer and Bill Simons.

Harmony utilized his first game this year by running for 85 yards and two TDs. Williams played much of the game at quarterback, and, after overcoming early trouble ran for 60 yards and two scores.

Being Miami's first home game, more than 12,600 people showed up. But the exits got crowded after halftime as interest waned and the score increased.

Marshall 0 0 0 6 - 6
Miami 17 14 21 14 - 66

Miami--Showalter 18 run (Graham kick)
Miami--Hitchens 5 run (Graham kick)
Miami--Wernecke 29 field goal
Miami--Hitchens 5 run (Graham kick)
Miami--Williams 1 run (Graham kick)
Miami--Hitchens 1 run (Graham kick)
Miami--Williams 1 run (Graham kick)
Miami--Harmony 5 run (Graham kick)
Marshall--Jordan 36 return of blocked punt (Smith kick failed)
Miami--Showkier 46 pass from Williams (Graham kick)
Miami--Harmony 3 run (Graham kick)
att--12,600

(05-19-2013 06:23 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 06:08 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  Do I really want to hang 67+ on them come August 31? You bet.

I think we have the O- to do that. As talented as we were when we came into the MAC, I think our skill players are even better right now. With the exception of us not having a "Randy Moss". Of course no one has had a "Randy Moss" either.

I predict Little Miami has a real rough day when Aug 31 comes. They will be breaking a new QB in and their star WR has been suspended indef. (#2 in receptions and TDs at Little Miami). They have never run up against on O- that doesn't let the play clock get below 20 seconds. Which means they can't sub players in and out unless they call a time out or we decide to sub in and out and that's rare. Once the ball is spotted 9 times out of 10 Rakeem Cato is ready to snap the ball.

We beat Marshall by 3 TDs when you had Randy Moss. He didn't help you. Just saying.

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(05-19-2013 06:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Miami lost their QB to graduation, their top receiver to the Law, and return a backfield that averaged 86 yrds/game. Miami won't win this one without some help from Marshall.

There is no loss from Dysert to Boucher. Boucher is 4-0 as a starter, won the MAC, won a bowl game, and had a scholarship offer from Ohio State but chose Miami. Im worried about our O-line and Defense, but not our QB. Boucher has already won more than Dysert.

(05-19-2013 05:42 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  HerdZoned: Did you read my post....the starting RB for Miami ran only 17 times for 92 yards. A 3rd stringer that had never played a down had two TD's, and the second string QB had 2 TD's, so at least in the backfield the starters were obviously gone pretty early. Again, I can't vouch for the lineman but it makes little sense not to let everyone play in a game like that. I couldn't find all the stats for the game, but my recollection was that Miami ran it 82 times and threw 8 passes.

But yeah, I would have to agree that a TD with 6 seconds left would be indefensible in a game like that. And I also think we're going to have a pretty bad team this fall.

eCK: Name from the past. Remember the old MAC board on Sportsonly? LOL. Good days.

I'm that Herd fan that is too young to remember 1971, and really enjoyed playing you guys late 90s early 2000s (admittedly helped by our winning ways of the time).

I'm looking forward to the game this fall and the return trip to Oxford.

Good to hear from you, Overherd...always enjoyed reading your posts!

Will we win this game? You better believe it. Will it be close? Most likely not. However there is one big factor to consider. Last year's home opener against WCU Doc and the staff held a lot of the offense back. They used the game to try out things they may want to use later on that don't necessarily get a lot of practice reps. They treated the game as a scrimmage. We could have easily rolled up 80 on them had we played the same way we did in conference play. Now Doc told us he doesn't plan on holding back because he does know the history but I am yet to see a game one by any team where everything clicks and everything is brought to the table. I for one hope that Doc shoots for 50 in this game. I know if he doesn't and we piddle around in the first half trying out different looks and the score is even remotely close he will catch a lot of flack from the fans. I know that Hamrick wants to see a nice lopsided win for the Herd too.

I know the little miami fan(s) will get upset with my discounting of their team but let's face it. You don't have nearly the talent that we have, you finished 4-8 last year with only one good win, and you lost your QB to graduation. Since Treadwell has been your coach you have not posted a winning record yet so I doubt the Herd will be the team to start that off for you.

(05-19-2013 06:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Miami lost their QB to graduation, their top receiver to the Law, and return a backfield that averaged 86 yrds/game. Miami won't win this one without some help from Marshall.

The only way that happens is if we turn the ball over 6 times like we did in Athens in 2011. And I don't see Cato throwing 5 INTs again in a game. He had 3 against Purdue but 2 went off of WR hands.

Last year Marshall avged 6.4 yards on 1st down and in 2 games avged over 7.5 per 1st down.

No one has still tried to tackle how they are going to handle Marshall's 85-110 plays on O-.

(05-20-2013 11:17 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 06:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Miami lost their QB to graduation, their top receiver to the Law, and return a backfield that averaged 86 yrds/game. Miami won't win this one without some help from Marshall.

The only way that happens is if we turn the ball over 6 times like we did in Athens in 2011. And I don't see Cato throwing 5 INTs again in a game. He had 3 against Purdue but 2 went off of WR hands.

Last year Marshall avged 6.4 yards on 1st down and in 2 games avged over 7.5 per 1st down.

No one has still tried to tackle how they are going to handle Marshall's 85-110 plays on O-.

7 teams tackled it last year.

(05-20-2013 11:55 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 11:17 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 06:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Miami lost their QB to graduation, their top receiver to the Law, and return a backfield that averaged 86 yrds/game. Miami won't win this one without some help from Marshall.

The only way that happens is if we turn the ball over 6 times like we did in Athens in 2011. And I don't see Cato throwing 5 INTs again in a game. He had 3 against Purdue but 2 went off of WR hands.

Last year Marshall avged 6.4 yards on 1st down and in 2 games avged over 7.5 per 1st down.

No one has still tried to tackle how they are going to handle Marshall's 85-110 plays on O-.

7 teams tackled it last year.

Not S.Miss.

(05-20-2013 12:11 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 11:55 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 11:17 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 06:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Miami lost their QB to graduation, their top receiver to the Law, and return a backfield that averaged 86 yrds/game. Miami won't win this one without some help from Marshall.

The only way that happens is if we turn the ball over 6 times like we did in Athens in 2011. And I don't see Cato throwing 5 INTs again in a game. He had 3 against Purdue but 2 went off of WR hands.

Last year Marshall avged 6.4 yards on 1st down and in 2 games avged over 7.5 per 1st down.

No one has still tried to tackle how they are going to handle Marshall's 85-110 plays on O-.

7 teams tackled it last year.

Not S.Miss.

Nope. We didn't tackle anyone really. Nor are my expectations incredibly inflated for this year. I think Marshall will be a good team and will compete for an East title....but a couple of y'all are completely delusional.

(05-20-2013 12:15 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 12:11 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 11:55 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 11:17 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 06:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Miami lost their QB to graduation, their top receiver to the Law, and return a backfield that averaged 86 yrds/game. Miami won't win this one without some help from Marshall.

The only way that happens is if we turn the ball over 6 times like we did in Athens in 2011. And I don't see Cato throwing 5 INTs again in a game. He had 3 against Purdue but 2 went off of WR hands.

Last year Marshall avged 6.4 yards on 1st down and in 2 games avged over 7.5 per 1st down.

No one has still tried to tackle how they are going to handle Marshall's 85-110 plays on O-.

7 teams tackled it last year.

Not S.Miss.

Nope. We didn't tackle anyone really. Nor are my expectations incredibly inflated for this year. I think Marshall will be a good team and will compete for an East title....but a couple of y'all are completely delusional.

Fair enough. To be completely honest I don't think it is being delusional as much as it is us having best schedule we have had in years. That mercenary crap of scheduling two conference champs from power conferences was bogus. For the first time since Pruett left we finally have a schedule that allows us to build momentum in the OOC.

2012: WVU, Purdue
2011: WVU, VT, LVille
2010: Ohio State, WVU

Is it a tough schedule or one to brag about? No, not hardly. But what is going to do is give us the moementum we have sorely needed over the last 8 years.

The other part of it is the excitement about the team in genereal. For the first time since Byron Leftwich we finally have a returning QB that is well established as the starter and is one of the best QBs in CUSA if not the country. We also have a full stable of RBs headlined by the FOY winner in Grooms and a tremendous corp of WRs lead by the nations reigning receptions leader in Tommy Shuler. All we need to get is a defense that is called correctly and we will be where we want to go.

So I for one apologize if I come off a little overzealous but you have to forgive me. I like many others was accustomed to being the winningest team of the 90s, being ESPN darlings, being the bluepirnt that FCS teams followed when making the jump, winning conference championships, bowl games, never losing at home, and pumping players steadily into the NFL.

We Herd fans have had to suffer through terrible front office ineptness (Bob Kayo Marcum) that did absolutely nothing and some of the worst coaching (Mark Snyder) for 5 long years. Since then we have watched and waited patiently as the team is being built by the new administration and coaching staff and it appears as we are finally going to get over that hump and get back to stringing together winning seasons.

Now will we absolutely dominate CUSA like we did the MAC? Probably not but are most likely going to be one of the top teams year in and year out.

I hope so. I hope we get back to form as well. CUSA football needs our programs to be premier programs.

(05-20-2013 11:17 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 06:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Miami lost their QB to graduation, their top receiver to the Law, and return a backfield that averaged 86 yrds/game. Miami won't win this one without some help from Marshall.

The only way that happens is if we turn the ball over 6 times like we did in Athens in 2011. And I don't see Cato throwing 5 INTs again in a game. He had 3 against Purdue but 2 went off of WR hands.

Last year Marshall avged 6.4 yards on 1st down and in 2 games avged over 7.5 per 1st down.

No one has still tried to tackle how they are going to handle Marshall's 85-110 plays on O-.

Last year Marshall ran 85 plays against Ohio. Ohio ran 85 plays against Marshall. Tempo isn't the issue.

(05-20-2013 01:25 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 11:17 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 06:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Miami lost their QB to graduation, their top receiver to the Law, and return a backfield that averaged 86 yrds/game. Miami won't win this one without some help from Marshall.

The only way that happens is if we turn the ball over 6 times like we did in Athens in 2011. And I don't see Cato throwing 5 INTs again in a game. He had 3 against Purdue but 2 went off of WR hands.

Last year Marshall avged 6.4 yards on 1st down and in 2 games avged over 7.5 per 1st down.

No one has still tried to tackle how they are going to handle Marshall's 85-110 plays on O-.

Last year Marshall ran 85 plays against Ohio. Ohio ran 85 plays against Marshall. Tempo isn't the issue.

How many times has OU won the MAC? Just curious.

I don't know much about Miami (OH) this season... but Jesus... the way a couple Marshall fans are talking, they are basically going to be the New England Patriots on offense with the '85 Bears D. Y'all should probably win 62-0 or something comparable. I'll go ahead and cancel my plans to come up to Huntington for the ECU game... we don't stand a snowball's chance in hell.