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RE: Should Aresco be fired poll #2
So, according to the OP, it's Areso's fault that this pile of scrubs isn't worth anything.

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(02-22-2013 08:49 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  So, according to the OP, it's Areso's fault that this pile of scrubs isn't worth anything.

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I guess you are right it's not Arescos fault that UCONN is worthless.
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RE: Should Aresco be fired poll #2
(02-21-2013 11:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Why isn't NBC or Fox able to provide a counter offer? Just signing this deal doesn't make sense to me. If I was the BE I'd be seeing if other networks would be offering more money. If the BE doesn't then yea, I'd say Aresco should be fired.

They've been talking about this for months. The higher offers aren't there. It's not as if though Fox just found out that the Big East rights came onto the open market this past week. I guess anything can happen, but frankly, every piece of news about the Big East over the past 5 months has been even worse than the last story. It's easy for us to say to just turn down the offer, but with the high probability that better offers aren't out there, it's not as of though the Big East really has a choice.
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RE: Should Aresco be fired poll #2
I wouldn't vote to fire Aresco when you take into account all the mountains he had to climb. With that being said, I would certainly vote to fire every single University President if they sign this deal with ESpin. As anyone can see, the blame for all of this mess falls squarely on their shoulders. They lacked Vision and failed to act cohesively and decisively at every turn.

If this Conference signs with ESpin, I'm going to be watching a lot of NHL, Baseball and NFL. Those games not on ESpin of course. As for College Football, I'll read the scores in the paper. 03-phew
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(02-22-2013 09:05 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-21-2013 11:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Why isn't NBC or Fox able to provide a counter offer? Just signing this deal doesn't make sense to me. If I was the BE I'd be seeing if other networks would be offering more money. If the BE doesn't then yea, I'd say Aresco should be fired.

They've been talking about this for months. The higher offers aren't there. It's not as if though Fox just found out that the Big East rights came onto the open market this past week. I guess anything can happen, but frankly, every piece of news about the Big East over the past 5 months has been even worse than the last story. It's easy for us to say to just turn down the offer, but with the high probability that better offers aren't out there, it's not as of though the Big East really has a choice.

Honestly Frank, I have to disagree. When you take into account the past couple years in how ESpin has covered the conference, there is no way anyone with any self respect would sign with them. That is unless there's a boat load of money we haven't heard about yet. However, we're not talking about people rather organizations. So anything can happen. I would have to say that any CEO who entertained keeping their jobs, would not sing this contract. Presidents however, see things through blinders and have far harder shin then I do.

So even though I disagree, it doesn't mean they won't sign anyway. 03-banghead
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(02-22-2013 12:42 AM)nastar36 Wrote:  Did he push out Rutgers and Louisville? No
Did he invite schools without discussion and members voting? No
Did he accept a tv offer without taking it to the open market where every single channel on your direct tv could have bid on it? No
Did he publicly represent the Big East negatively? No
Did he turn down higher media deals? No
Could he demand and force a 120+ million dollar a year media deal? No


I realize it is human nature to want to blame somebody when things don't go as we would like, but it would be foolish to blame Aresco for the state the Big East is in. Way too many external factors changing things to blame one person.

Aresco lead the charge to blow the final offer to ESPN in October of $300M/year knowing that ESPN would not accept that and that any future offer would have to be matched by ESPN. Why go so high? Why not make it reasonable (or even the original $130M offered in April 2011)? He gave ESPN another reason to push away the BE. And it would not surprise me to learn that his over-inflated value scared off Fox, Turner, etc.

Aresco has lost more schools in his 6 month tenure as commish than every other previous BE commissioner combined.
Aresco pushed for the Presidents to add Tulane and ECU without properly vetting them.

Fair or not, a CEO in any other line of business would be canned for the drop in revenue and perception the BE has taken under his direction.
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RE: Should Aresco be fired poll #2
(02-22-2013 09:15 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(02-22-2013 12:42 AM)nastar36 Wrote:  Did he push out Rutgers and Louisville? No
Did he invite schools without discussion and members voting? No
Did he accept a tv offer without taking it to the open market where every single channel on your direct tv could have bid on it? No
Did he publicly represent the Big East negatively? No
Did he turn down higher media deals? No
Could he demand and force a 120+ million dollar a year media deal? No


I realize it is human nature to want to blame somebody when things don't go as we would like, but it would be foolish to blame Aresco for the state the Big East is in. Way too many external factors changing things to blame one person.



Aresco lead the charge to blow the final offer to ESPN in October of $300M/year knowing that ESPN would not accept that and that any future offer would have to be matched by ESPN. Why go so high? Why not make it reasonable (or even the original $130M offered in April 2011)? He gave ESPN another reason to push away the BE. And it would not surprise me to learn that his over-inflated value scared off Fox, Turner, etc.

Aresco has lost more schools in his 6 month tenure as commish than every other previous BE commissioner combined.
Aresco pushed for the Presidents to add Tulane and ECU without properly vetting them.

Fair or not, a CEO in any other line of business would be canned for the drop in revenue and perception the BE has taken under his direction.

How would vetting ECU have changed the equation? ECU has one of the largest fan bases on the East coast and largest among all the new teams added to the BE. We also have a consistently good football team. So how is this any of ECU fault?
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RE: Should Aresco be fired poll #2
He could haved pitched a national conference with all sports membership. A 12 or 16 team model.

Even without Cincy and UConn that league would have number easy.

East: ECU, USF, UCF, Temple, UMass, Memphis, Tulane
West: UNLV, Boise State, SDSU, Air Force, Fresno State, Houston, SMU

With Cincinnati, UConn, and Navy the membership could have 16 to 18. Earned the GO5 bid and earned some nice money, sell off the Big East name and start fresh.
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(02-22-2013 09:18 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  
(02-22-2013 09:15 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(02-22-2013 12:42 AM)nastar36 Wrote:  Did he push out Rutgers and Louisville? No
Did he invite schools without discussion and members voting? No
Did he accept a tv offer without taking it to the open market where every single channel on your direct tv could have bid on it? No
Did he publicly represent the Big East negatively? No
Did he turn down higher media deals? No
Could he demand and force a 120+ million dollar a year media deal? No


I realize it is human nature to want to blame somebody when things don't go as we would like, but it would be foolish to blame Aresco for the state the Big East is in. Way too many external factors changing things to blame one person.



Aresco lead the charge to blow the final offer to ESPN in October of $300M/year knowing that ESPN would not accept that and that any future offer would have to be matched by ESPN. Why go so high? Why not make it reasonable (or even the original $130M offered in April 2011)? He gave ESPN another reason to push away the BE. And it would not surprise me to learn that his over-inflated value scared off Fox, Turner, etc.

Aresco has lost more schools in his 6 month tenure as commish than every other previous BE commissioner combined.
Aresco pushed for the Presidents to add Tulane and ECU without properly vetting them.

Fair or not, a CEO in any other line of business would be canned for the drop in revenue and perception the BE has taken under his direction.

How would vetting ECU have changed the equation? ECU has one of the largest fan bases on the East coast and largest among all the new teams added to the BE. We also have a consistently good football team. So how is this any of ECU fault?

This was not meant to be a flame against ECU. I'm just merely repeating what the C7 AD's and Presidents have stated. Your beef is with them, not me. I am glad ECU is in the new conference. I love the rivalry UCF and ECU have developed. It's fun. But there is no doubt the C7 are at least scapegoating the decision to add Tulane and ECU as a reason to leave. That is all I am saying. Aresco suggested them and sold the BE presidents on adding them without giving the presidents the usual amount of time to vet the decision with their staffs. The staffs' reaction told the presidents they objected to the decision and they felt somewhat swindled by Aresco. Or at least that's the vibe I've gotten reading some of the reports.
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Must have been hard trying to get a decent contract with UConn and Cincy publicly dissing the conference THEY ARE IN. I would have to say I've never been a fan of USF but at least they acted with a little self respect and dignity over the situation. All these schools in the big East want something better but we all better grab an oar and start rowing because the Titanic has sunk.
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RE: Should Aresco be fired poll #2
Lots of assumptions being made about Aresco that we don't really know. Remember which schools still had voting power at different junctions. Maybe Aresco wanted a stronger west division and the C7 wouldn't go for it.

And Aresco has had the best negotiating help available: the 2 guys who got the P12 deal.

And all those schools still would have left.

I'm not saying Aresco is blameless. It's just hard to tell whether he made things worse, or not. I doubt any other commissioner could have improved our situation with the way things fell out.
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(02-22-2013 10:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Lots of assumptions being made about Aresco that we don't really know. Remember which schools still had voting power at different junctions. Maybe Aresco wanted a stronger west division and the C7 wouldn't go for it.

And Aresco has had the best negotiating help available: the 2 guys who got the P12 deal.

And all those schools still would have left.

I'm not saying Aresco is blameless. It's just hard to tell whether he made things worse, or not. I doubt any other commissioner could have improved our situation with the way things fell out.

Yeah. Maybe I am assuming too much. But the results that have been observed under his direction are poor.
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(02-22-2013 10:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Lots of assumptions being made about Aresco that we don't really know. Remember which schools still had voting power at different junctions. Maybe Aresco wanted a stronger west division and the C7 wouldn't go for it.

And Aresco has had the best negotiating help available: the 2 guys who got the P12 deal.

And all those schools still would have left.

I'm not saying Aresco is blameless. It's just hard to tell whether he made things worse, or not. I doubt any other commissioner could have improved our situation with the way things fell out.

Here's my thought: the Big East believed over the summer that it could hire a "peacetime" commissioner where the primary focus was the TV contract since it thought that conference realignment had settled down. Aresco fit that bill at the time.

Instead, conference realignment ramped up to heated levels again, which is when you need a "wartime" commissioner to stem off attacks (e.g. when the Big 12 brought in Chuck Neinas). That's not Aresco's area of expertise at all. This type of period is when you need someone that's been through the machinations of college conference internal administration and politics as opposed to external TV negotiations. On top of that, conference realignment basically negated the value of Aresco's area of expertise entirely, as even the best salesman in the world can't convince someone to pay Porsche-level prices for a stripped down Kia.

I don't think that Aresco necessarily *deserves* to be fired, but a lot of people have got axed for a lot less in the past in the blame game.
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I won’t say Areso should be fired :noisycricket: (he started off in a very deep hole).
However, as a former TV executive, he should have known how valuable Boise St. was at making the Big East whole with more tv $$$. The MWC knew it and somewhat capitulated to Boise St. Nevertheless, Aresco should have been able to offer Boise St. the same deal or better. However, he allowed the MWC to keep Boise St. despite being locked into a contract (which makes him look even more inept). CBS tweaked the MWC’s contract in order for this to happen, which makes me wonder about the motives of CBS…. Consequently, CBS also knew how valuable Boise St. was to the Big East.

Moreover, Areso failed monumentally at overlooking the importance of establishing an all sports western division. The Big East already had Boise St., San Diego St., Houston, and SMU. You mean to tell me that he couldn't add two more schools for an all sports western division.…. This would have given the Big East uniqueness that no other conference has—which demands more $$$. If he couldn't have added two legit western schools, he should have considered Idaho and New Mexico St. (whose football programs are homeless). Both schools probably would have taken less $$$ to have a home, which could have been used to keep Boise St.

And before I get flamed for this post, I’m not a Boise St fan. Furthermore, I think that its football program is vastly overrated (barely beat one of the lower tier teams in the PAC 12 in a bowl game). Nonetheless, it is my opinion that the Big East wouldn't be in such a deep hole financially if Boise $t. and an all $port$ western division were here to make it whole—which Areso should have known…..
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. . . TV executive? . . . my kids could have negotiated a $20 million deal . . . and the vaunted consultants? . . . what the hell was that . . . with Aresco, I was I was hoping for $3-4 million a year . . . believed $5-6 was a remote possibility . . . even after the realignment, etc. . . but mostly, I was hoping for some kind of national TV partner who doesn't spend every waking moment denigrating the Big East . . . a TV partner with a vested interested in the long-term success of the Big East

. . . instead, I've decided Aresco reminds me of a battered wife who keeps going back to the abusive husband because she is too F'ing scared to leave . . . all the while knowing that eventually the assh** is going to kill her . . . epic fail!
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Aresco is pathetic. I can't wait to here how he's going to spin that staying with ESPN for the peanuts they are about to pay is a good idea in any way.
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Aresco helped his buddies in the TV industry score a heck of a bargain while betraying the schools that hired him in the first place.

Fire him.
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(02-22-2013 10:47 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-22-2013 10:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Lots of assumptions being made about Aresco that we don't really know. Remember which schools still had voting power at different junctions. Maybe Aresco wanted a stronger west division and the C7 wouldn't go for it.

And Aresco has had the best negotiating help available: the 2 guys who got the P12 deal.

And all those schools still would have left.

I'm not saying Aresco is blameless. It's just hard to tell whether he made things worse, or not. I doubt any other commissioner could have improved our situation with the way things fell out.

Here's my thought: the Big East believed over the summer that it could hire a "peacetime" commissioner where the primary focus was the TV contract since it thought that conference realignment had settled down. Aresco fit that bill at the time.

Instead, conference realignment ramped up to heated levels again, which is when you need a "wartime" commissioner to stem off attacks (e.g. when the Big 12 brought in Chuck Neinas). That's not Aresco's area of expertise at all. This type of period is when you need someone that's been through the machinations of college conference internal administration and politics as opposed to external TV negotiations. On top of that, conference realignment basically negated the value of Aresco's area of expertise entirely, as even the best salesman in the world can't convince someone to pay Porsche-level prices for a stripped down Kia.

I don't think that Aresco necessarily *deserves* to be fired, but a lot of people have got axed for a lot less in the past in the blame game.

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He's done a terrible job
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(02-22-2013 01:05 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  Aresco helped his buddies in the TV industry score a heck of a bargain while betraying the schools that hired him in the first place.

Fire him.

I believe it was the C7 that pushed for his hiring the most.

I still say it's not his fault b/c the presidents are the real responsible parties here.

He sure does make for a nice scapegoat though.
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