(07-01-2014 04:38 PM)Mphs_Tigers Wrote:  Riddle me this Batman... what is it exactly, that makes the 5 chosen conferences "Power" conferences?
And with your answer, tell me if it is because of 1 particular school in each of the P5 conferences.

Easy.

Big 12 = Power because of Texas and Oklahoma

PAC 12 = Power because of USC; Oregon and UCLA to a lesser extent

ACC = Power because of Florida St.; Miami, Clemson, and Virginia Tech to a lesser extent

Big Ten = Power because of Michigan and Ohio St., with Penn St. and Nebraska chipping in; Wisconsin and Michigan St. to a lesser extent

SEC = Power because of Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Georgia; Auburn and Tennessee to a lesser extent

and, Notre Dame

The powers have:

1) National Championship or Multiple top-10 finishes in the last 40 years;
2) Consistent 80-100K home game attendance;
3) Top TV ratings.

All others are P5 schools simply by association.

For the American to join the club, you need to get someone in the league that has 70-80K average home game attendance, grabs TV ratings, and multiple top-10 finishes over the course of a 7-10 year period. Not very likely, but not impossible. The biggest obstacle for the American is P5 league poaching contenders (or contenders bolting, depending on your perspective).

(07-01-2014 11:59 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:49 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Who cares if the AAC is knocking on the door??? It is not like the P5 is ever going to open it.

Really only UConn, BYU and Cincinnati are worthy. UCF, Houston and Temple would be next after those...

The fact that you consider Temple "worthy" over some other institutions renders your post worthless.

I think the AAC is in a position to prove itself. Both in terms of ratings/revenue and in competitiveness. I think everyone is in a holding pattern until the next round of TV negotiations. The AAC may see some sort of bump in pay between now and then, but I think everyone is waiting to see what happens when the current TV contracts are up. Will realignment and expansion 2.0 occur or are things really settled? If things are settle and the AAC has proven its self in ratings and on the field they will be a power conference.

Temple and Houston sit on the biggest media markets in the conference. Any upward thrust in fan interest and media attention (via winning) by either renders them highly valuable 'properties'.

(07-01-2014 04:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 04:38 PM)Mphs_Tigers Wrote:  Riddle me this Batman... what is it exactly, that makes the 5 chosen conferences "Power" conferences?
And with your answer, tell me if it is because of 1 particular school in each of the P5 conferences.

Easy.

Big 12 = Power because of Texas and Oklahoma

PAC 12 = Power because of USC; Oregon and UCLA to a lesser extent

ACC = Power because of Florida St.; Miami, Clemson, and Virginia Tech to a lesser extent

Big Ten = Power because of Michigan and Ohio St., with Penn St. and Nebraska chipping in; Wisconsin and Michigan St. to a lesser extent

SEC = Power because of Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Georgia; Auburn and Tennessee to a lesser extent

and, Notre Dame

The powers have:

1) National Championship or Multiple top-10 finishes in the last 40 years;
2) Consistent 80-100K home game attendance;
3) Top TV ratings.

All others are P5 schools simply by association.

For the American to join the club, you need to get someone in the league that has 70-80K average home game attendance, grabs TV ratings, and multiple top-10 finishes over the course of a 7-10 year period. Not very likely, but not impossible. The biggest obstacle for the American is P5 league poaching contenders (or contenders bolting, depending on your perspective).

Excellent breakdown YNot.

However, it also suggests that when multiple teams within a conference are able to do the things you mention above, that conference has the ability to become or sustain as a "Power" conference.

All I was attempting to do was point out to Quo that when several teams within a conference are able to be like P5 teams, it helps the entire group of teams within that conference. And who knows... maybe even be invited to the "Power" group as the 6th power conference.

I say, let's ALL just beat the snot out of ALL of the P5 teams and everything will take care of itself.

(07-01-2014 05:16 PM)Mphs_Tigers Wrote:  All I was attempting to do was point out to Quo that when several teams within a conference are able to be like P5 teams, it helps the entire group of teams within that conference. And who knows... maybe even be invited to the "Power" group as the 6th power conference.

Remember, the Big East produced 6 schools out of 9 football schools that were deemed worthy of P5 promotion, and yet that did not result in the Big East being included in the AQ club in the playoff system. Quite the contrary - those 6 schools were promoted but the Big East was stripped of AQ and demoted to G5 status.

There is just no reason to believe the AAC will ever get promoted to Power level. Now can specific AAC schools? That's an entirely different story.

(07-01-2014 11:59 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:49 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Who cares if the AAC is knocking on the door??? It is not like the P5 is ever going to open it.

Really only UConn, BYU and Cincinnati are worthy. UCF, Houston and Temple would be next after those...

The fact that you consider Temple "worthy" over some other institutions renders your post worthless.

I think the AAC is in a position to prove itself. Both in terms of ratings/revenue and in competitiveness. I think everyone is in a holding pattern until the next round of TV negotiations. The AAC may see some sort of bump in pay between now and then, but I think everyone is waiting to see what happens when the current TV contracts are up. Will realignment and expansion 2.0 occur or are things really settled? If things are settle and the AAC has proven its self in ratings and on the field they will be a power conference.

Look at the Group "A" schools that NBC specified in the TV contract and get back to me...

(07-01-2014 08:54 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:59 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:49 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Who cares if the AAC is knocking on the door??? It is not like the P5 is ever going to open it.

Really only UConn, BYU and Cincinnati are worthy. UCF, Houston and Temple would be next after those...

The fact that you consider Temple "worthy" over some other institutions renders your post worthless.

I think the AAC is in a position to prove itself. Both in terms of ratings/revenue and in competitiveness. I think everyone is in a holding pattern until the next round of TV negotiations. The AAC may see some sort of bump in pay between now and then, but I think everyone is waiting to see what happens when the current TV contracts are up. Will realignment and expansion 2.0 occur or are things really settled? If things are settle and the AAC has proven its self in ratings and on the field they will be a power conference.

Look at the Group "A" schools that NBC specified in the TV contract and get back to me...

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's the league only market in that area

(07-01-2014 09:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 08:54 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:59 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:49 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Who cares if the AAC is knocking on the door??? It is not like the P5 is ever going to open it.

Really only UConn, BYU and Cincinnati are worthy. UCF, Houston and Temple would be next after those...

The fact that you consider Temple "worthy" over some other institutions renders your post worthless.

I think the AAC is in a position to prove itself. Both in terms of ratings/revenue and in competitiveness. I think everyone is in a holding pattern until the next round of TV negotiations. The AAC may see some sort of bump in pay between now and then, but I think everyone is waiting to see what happens when the current TV contracts are up. Will realignment and expansion 2.0 occur or are things really settled? If things are settle and the AAC has proven its self in ratings and on the field they will be a power conference.

Look at the Group "A" schools that NBC specified in the TV contract and get back to me...

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's the league only market in that area

Even if so, there's no denying that group "A" indicates which schools are most valuable from a TV perspective. Sucks that USF isn't in that group and that the other two leftovers are but it is a reality check. We have lots of work to do to build our brand.

(07-01-2014 04:38 PM)Mphs_Tigers Wrote:  Riddle me this Batman...

LOL, that phrase really brings back the childhood memories!

(07-01-2014 09:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 09:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 08:54 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:59 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:49 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Who cares if the AAC is knocking on the door??? It is not like the P5 is ever going to open it.

Really only UConn, BYU and Cincinnati are worthy. UCF, Houston and Temple would be next after those...

The fact that you consider Temple "worthy" over some other institutions renders your post worthless.

I think the AAC is in a position to prove itself. Both in terms of ratings/revenue and in competitiveness. I think everyone is in a holding pattern until the next round of TV negotiations. The AAC may see some sort of bump in pay between now and then, but I think everyone is waiting to see what happens when the current TV contracts are up. Will realignment and expansion 2.0 occur or are things really settled? If things are settle and the AAC has proven its self in ratings and on the field they will be a power conference.

Look at the Group "A" schools that NBC specified in the TV contract and get back to me...

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's the league only market in that area

Even if so, there's no denying that group "A" indicates which schools are most valuable from a TV perspective. Sucks that USF isn't in that group and that the other two leftovers are but it is a reality check. We have lots of work to do to build our brand.

All it indicates is a stipulation in a contract with a network that undervalued us and ultimately did not get our contract. Until you have statements confirming your opinion from the attorneys that represented the league, those schools and nbc, it really doesnt mean anything more.
By all means, with it though. Plenty of suckers here will jump on that bait.

(07-01-2014 09:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 08:54 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:59 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:49 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Who cares if the AAC is knocking on the door??? It is not like the P5 is ever going to open it.

Really only UConn, BYU and Cincinnati are worthy. UCF, Houston and Temple would be next after those...

The fact that you consider Temple "worthy" over some other institutions renders your post worthless.

I think the AAC is in a position to prove itself. Both in terms of ratings/revenue and in competitiveness. I think everyone is in a holding pattern until the next round of TV negotiations. The AAC may see some sort of bump in pay between now and then, but I think everyone is waiting to see what happens when the current TV contracts are up. Will realignment and expansion 2.0 occur or are things really settled? If things are settle and the AAC has proven its self in ratings and on the field they will be a power conference.

Look at the Group "A" schools that NBC specified in the TV contract and get back to me...

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's the league only market in that area

LOLOLOL, more like the TV networks covet those schools the most and we ALL know they dictate conference realignment.

(07-01-2014 10:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 09:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 09:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 08:54 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:59 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  The fact that you consider Temple "worthy" over some other institutions renders your post worthless.

I think the AAC is in a position to prove itself. Both in terms of ratings/revenue and in competitiveness. I think everyone is in a holding pattern until the next round of TV negotiations. The AAC may see some sort of bump in pay between now and then, but I think everyone is waiting to see what happens when the current TV contracts are up. Will realignment and expansion 2.0 occur or are things really settled? If things are settle and the AAC has proven its self in ratings and on the field they will be a power conference.

Look at the Group "A" schools that NBC specified in the TV contract and get back to me...

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's the league only market in that area

Even if so, there's no denying that group "A" indicates which schools are most valuable from a TV perspective. Sucks that USF isn't in that group and that the other two leftovers are but it is a reality check. We have lots of work to do to build our brand.

All it indicates is a stipulation in a contract with a network that undervalued us and ultimately did not get our contract. Until you have statements confirming your opinion from the attorneys that represented the league, those schools and nbc, it really doesnt mean anything more.

Huh? First, like it or not, NBC is a media company, and if they "undervalued us" than ESPN did too because they signed the same contract for the same money and the same A/B clause.

Second, my "opinion" needs no confirmation from lawyers, etc. because the plain meaning is obvious: If a contract divides a conference into group A and B members, and if the contract can be abrogated entirely by the media company if two A members leave, or an A and a B leave, but it cannot be abrogated but only renegotiated if two B members leave, than that plainly and obviously means that the group A members are regarded by the media company as the more valuable members.

Silly to deny this.

(07-01-2014 11:22 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 09:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 08:54 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:59 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:49 AM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Who cares if the AAC is knocking on the door??? It is not like the P5 is ever going to open it.

Really only UConn, BYU and Cincinnati are worthy. UCF, Houston and Temple would be next after those...

The fact that you consider Temple "worthy" over some other institutions renders your post worthless.

I think the AAC is in a position to prove itself. Both in terms of ratings/revenue and in competitiveness. I think everyone is in a holding pattern until the next round of TV negotiations. The AAC may see some sort of bump in pay between now and then, but I think everyone is waiting to see what happens when the current TV contracts are up. Will realignment and expansion 2.0 occur or are things really settled? If things are settle and the AAC has proven its self in ratings and on the field they will be a power conference.

Look at the Group "A" schools that NBC specified in the TV contract and get back to me...

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's the league only market in that area

LOLOLOL, more like the TV networks covet those schools the most and we ALL know they dictate conference realignment.

ok pack your bags then.

(07-02-2014 08:25 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:22 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 09:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 08:54 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 11:59 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  The fact that you consider Temple "worthy" over some other institutions renders your post worthless.

I think the AAC is in a position to prove itself. Both in terms of ratings/revenue and in competitiveness. I think everyone is in a holding pattern until the next round of TV negotiations. The AAC may see some sort of bump in pay between now and then, but I think everyone is waiting to see what happens when the current TV contracts are up. Will realignment and expansion 2.0 occur or are things really settled? If things are settle and the AAC has proven its self in ratings and on the field they will be a power conference.

Look at the Group "A" schools that NBC specified in the TV contract and get back to me...

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's the league only market in that area

LOLOLOL, more like the TV networks covet those schools the most and we ALL know they dictate conference realignment.

ok pack your bags then.

Cincy is in a tough spot. They do have a third-tier kind of football and basketball brand (meaning: a better brand than USF and most other AAC schools), such that it makes sense that it would be a tough blow to our media company to lose them, but their geography seems to severely limit their upside potential and hence their ultimate value to a P5 conference. They are just hemmed in on all sides, by the B1G to the north and west, SEC to the south, and now even the ACC via Louisville.

They are caught in a P5 box, 100 miles from Columbus, 100 from Louisville, 120 from Bloomington, and 80 from Lexington. Not much space to grow there, and Cincinatti isn't it's own massive world, like say Houston or Philly is.

Well after meeting our new AD personally I have no doubts that USF is going to surprise many on how fast it improves in all sports but specially football and basketball. This guy is not settling for mediocrity as proven by his quick changes and hirings in basketball and baseball.

I'm really excited for the future of USF athletics it's been a long time since I felt we had a leader that had a plan.