(06-08-2013 09:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-08-2013 10:17 PM)CK42NC Wrote:  As for SC, what were they before Spurrier got there again? They SUCKED.

The same thing they will do when the old ball coach retires!!
Nothing!

But they are willing and capable of spending $4+ million a year on a head coach. Chances are they'll get a pretty good coach to replace Spurrier.

(06-06-2013 08:02 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 07:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 05:23 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  We aren't even having this discussion if either Miami or UNC played FSU last year instead of GT.

Miami and UNC shouldn't have cheated then.

However, it's not like either of them are huge draws in football to begin with.

Miami is still a huge draw. CCG is in Charlotte. UNC would have packed the place.

You sure about that one?

(06-09-2013 09:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 08:02 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 07:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 05:23 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  We aren't even having this discussion if either Miami or UNC played FSU last year instead of GT.

Miami and UNC shouldn't have cheated then.

However, it's not like either of them are huge draws in football to begin with.

Miami is still a huge draw. CCG is in Charlotte. UNC would have packed the place.

You sure about that one?

Anyone can take pictures of the sections of the stadium without many fans. Miami IS a big draw and this season will see our average upwards of 50,000 probably. That first [AND THIRD...] picture was from our mid-afternoon opener against Bethune Cookman. Note that all of those games were mid-afternoon and also note that fans ALWAYS sit on behind the home team more than anywhere else at Miami. This year they're adjusting the seating layout so it will be more balanced but still. Don't be a hater.

From last year...

Miami hardly ever has huge crowds at home. It's that way even in national championship years. However, Miami is a big draw on the road and on TV. Networks love Miami.

(06-09-2013 10:20 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(06-09-2013 09:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 08:02 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 07:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 05:23 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  We aren't even having this discussion if either Miami or UNC played FSU last year instead of GT.

Miami and UNC shouldn't have cheated then.

However, it's not like either of them are huge draws in football to begin with.

Miami is still a huge draw. CCG is in Charlotte. UNC would have packed the place.

You sure about that one?

Anyone can take pictures of the sections of the stadium without many fans. Miami IS a big draw and this season will see our average upwards of 50,000 probably. That first [AND THIRD...] picture was from our mid-afternoon opener against Bethune Cookman. Note that all of those games were mid-afternoon and also note that fans ALWAYS sit on behind the home team more than anywhere else at Miami. This year they're adjusting the seating layout so it will be more balanced but still. Don't be a hater.

From last year...

Those were pictures of huge portions of the stadium without fans, not a random cluster of empty seats.

Also, if that's from last season then it must be the FSU game where a huge portion of the crowd was FSU fans, like always. It's the only game Miami regularly does well with. Four of your other 5 home games had ANNOUNCED attendances of less than 40,000 and those were more likely in the 25,000-30,000 range for who actually went.

(06-10-2013 05:41 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Miami hardly ever has huge crowds at home. It's that way even in national championship years. However, Miami is a big draw on the road and on TV. Networks love Miami.

We already went over why their attendance was lower in 2001 than 2000 and 2002.

We also already went over how they only "love" Miami when Miami is good and that Miami has won more than 8 games just once since ~2006.

(06-11-2013 11:13 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-10-2013 05:41 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Miami hardly ever has huge crowds at home. It's that way even in national championship years. However, Miami is a big draw on the road and on TV. Networks love Miami.

We already went over why their attendance was lower in 2001 than 2000 and 2002.

We also already went over how they only "love" Miami when Miami is good and that Miami has won more than 8 games just once since ~2006.

Yep we did and we also talked about how most analysts are picking them to win the coastal. I can hear the rise in ratings now.

I like having Charlotte as the host, the media deal makes money off the naming rights of the game and the championship campaign with Dr Pepper.

Keep it in Charlotte ... but drop ticket prices. Make it so that the fan of other ACC schools wants to attend if it isn't a sellout.

---------- Opening Price ---- 72 Hour Liquidation Price
Club Level: $75, $45
Lower Sideline: $50, $30
Lower Endzone: $35, $20
Upper Sideline: $20, $10
Upper Endzone: $10, $5

(06-07-2013 10:15 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 10:02 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 11:41 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  A little note on the UNC football fan base. Will Stewart from techsideline.com posted a blog about page views and ratings of polls in articles a few years ago and the one statistical abnormality that stood out (There were others but were expected) was a UNC vs. VT preview that was suspiciously rated near 1 out of 5. It was a preview of a Butch Davis lead UNC team and the article was pretty VT centric, not giving UNC much of a chance. Will checked the IP addresses of the poll and tons of readers from North Carolina had weighed in to give the poll a rounded off 1 rating. There are a lot of UNC football fans and they care a lot for their team. When BD was there, expectations were high and the fans came out of the woodwork for things like online polls on an opponents website. I have to believe they would show up well if they'd won the division out right or had the possibility of a 10 or more win season or a chance at the CFP.

I'm no UNC fan, root against them at pretty much any opportunity. But UNC is really the difference maker for ACC football. They are a program that has been pretty much a non-entity forever (save a Mack Brown year) but has everything needed to be a perennial top 10 team. They are the flagship, largest fan base in a big state, tons of money, brand name, talent rich area.

UNC, more than any other ACC school in my mind, can be our conference's Oregon. Look at Oregon's records from 1960 to about 1993. And look at what they've been the last 12 years.

We all think FSU, Clemson, Miami and VT can potentially be regular top 10 teams and annual national championship contenders, although obviously they won't all be up at the same time. Many other schools in the ACC should be able to make runs from time to time when everything lines up perfectly.

But UNC is the one school that really can and should be a "reloading" type football program every bit as much as FSU and Clemson should be.

I lived in North Carolina during the Mack Brown success, and I think football success will garner plenty of support again.

I don't know if it's just a matter of landing the right coach, or making the moves behind the scenes, or what, but the ACC won't reach it's full potential with UNC bouncing between 4 and 8 wins every year.

Excellent post and I agree. To this outsider, the two cornerstone blocks of the ACC should be FSU and UNC. Both have excellent all around athletic programs, usually Top 10 in Director's Cup standings. UNC needs to get their football act together and if they do, the sky is the limit for this conference.

Btw, I also root against the Heels but my best friend and best man at my wedding is a TarHeel fan. Not sure how that happened.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
It's Tar Heel, not TarHeel.

Lance