(06-11-2013 03:26 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:23 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:16 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:14 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  So FIU has been flirting with APR problems but CUSA still pulled the trigger on them? Interesting that market that you already filled with FAU was more important than this.

FIU got invited before FAU. So no "market was filled already".

FIU4 is correct, you got us reversed PG.

I thought y'all were the same time. But then the question goes, if FIU has all these issues, why were they invited first?

What are "all these issues" you speak of?

(06-11-2013 03:27 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:26 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:23 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:16 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:14 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  So FIU has been flirting with APR problems but CUSA still pulled the trigger on them? Interesting that market that you already filled with FAU was more important than this.

FIU got invited before FAU. So no "market was filled already".

FIU4 is correct, you got us reversed PG.

I thought y'all were the same time. But then the question goes, if FIU has all these issues, why were they invited first?

What are "all these issues" you speak of?

APR. That is pretty big.

UAB scored a 756 in football for 06-07, and a 732 in MBB the same year. You see how that much turnover hurt our programs. It got worse when some of Mike Davis' recruits left in 08-09.

UAB applied for an appeal in 2010 and won, but our president went to the NCAA personally citing coaching changes causing attrition. http://blog.al.com/offthevine/2010/06/ua...o_avo.html
She personally promised changes in our admission standards and extra academic programs for athletes.

Football: The case for the football team centered on the improvement from a 756 in 2006-07 to 931 in 2007-08 to 961 in 2008-09, and an expected score of approximately 950 in 2009-10.

Basketball: had a four ­year overall APR of approximately 823, was more difficult. Its four-year overall APR will go down from 863 last year, largely because of the 732 recorded in 2008-09. That 732 is the lowest score in the period that currently counts. Still Jonesing if you are reading this, this is why Mike Davis was fired you stupid tool. We just had to wait on a losing season.

You may want to send that article to your president ;-) good luck to FIU in getting over this issue. It is a pain and it is now 2013 and UAB is still barely recovered from it.

(06-11-2013 03:20 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  That'd be pretty crazy. If FIU doesn't already, they should use the loophole where you give walk-ons scholarships. It counterbalances others who leave early and don't finish terms. Syracuse does this.

Or just make up some no-show classes and give everyone A's like Carolina:

http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/e-mail...hill/61621

(06-11-2013 03:31 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  UAB scored a 756 in football for 06-07, and a 732 in MBB the same year. You see how that much turnover hurt our programs. It got worse when some of Mike Davis' recruits left in 08-09.

UAB applied for an appeal in 2010 and won, but our president went to the NCAA personally citing coaching changes causing attrition. http://blog.al.com/offthevine/2010/06/ua...o_avo.html
She personally promised changes in our admission standards and extra academic programs for athletes.

Football: The case for the football team centered on the improvement from a 756 in 2006-07 to 931 in 2007-08 to 961 in 2008-09, and an expected score of approximately 950 in 2009-10.

Basketball: had a four ­year overall APR of approximately 823, was more difficult. Its four-year overall APR will go down from 863 last year, largely because of the 732 recorded in 2008-09. That 732 is the lowest score in the period that currently counts. Still Jonesing if you are reading this, this is why Mike Davis was fired you stupid tool. We just had to wait on a losing season.

You may want to send that article to your president ;-) good luck to FIU in getting over this issue. It is a pain and it is now 2013 and UAB is still barely recovered from it.

Thanks Dracorex, Coach Thomas turned out to be a bigger gamble than even the most pessimistic fan could imagine. When he was fired, APR was given as the reason, we just didn't know how bad it was at the time.

Kind of crazy the NCAA is enforcing things like this when they essentially turned a blind eye to UNC and their disgusting tactics of cheating demonstrated for years and years....

(06-11-2013 03:31 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  Still Jonesing...you stupid tool.

APR news and not-so-news (basketball postseason ban)

The NCAA made official Tuesday what's been anticipated for almost a year: FIU men's basketball will be banned from postseason play in 2013-14 and face a limitation on practice time because of a low multi-year APR.

The only FIU team under 900 over the four academic years from 2008-2012 logged an abysmal 858 multi-year APR after a 750 -- that's right, 750 -- APR for the 2011-12 school year. Nobody at Camp Mitch registers surprise. I'd heard some kids kamikaze'd their classes after Isiah Thomas' firing in April. Whether they did or not, the two main factors in that move were weak numbers in both wins and APR, which was 833 for the 2010-11 season. So with the transfers and academic nosedives after Thomas' firing, you knew this number would be ugly.

The basketball team won't participate in the Conference USA tournament and is limited to five days and 16 hours of countable activity during the week. New coach Anthony Evans overcame similar limitations at Norfolk State to have a strong season.

At the other end, golf and women's basketball each put up single season APRs of 1,000. Swimming and tennis had the highest multi-year APRs, 992 and 986, respectively.

By the way, football came in at 932 for 2011-12 with a 930 multi-year APR. The concern at Camp Mitch is what those numbers will look like a year from now.

Four women's sports with heavy international representation leading the APR parade at FIU. Aside from basketball, the lowest single-season APR was baseball, 867, and football had the lowest multi-year APR aside from men's basketball. What, do they not have a men's restroom at the SAAC?

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fiusports...rylink=cpy

Better get it up or next year will be bad bad news for FIU.

(06-11-2013 02:21 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  Twitter is abuzz right now about the academic performance or lack thereof with FIU. Rumor is that they could face the stiffest penalty of having their memebership restricted where they enitre athletics department would be penalized and not be considered part of Division1.

"IF" this were to happen what would this mean for their CUSA membership and CUSA moving forward?

Wow....not good for FIU. If they are forced down a level, who does CUSA bring in to replace them?

Fiu panther let's not use nsu as a benchmark. They too are in trouble.

I guess this is why the big push for jmu. If fiu goes down jmu can move in. Don't like that but it would make sense.

(06-11-2013 05:44 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Wow....not good for FIU. If they are forced down a level, who does CUSA bring in to replace them?

How about Keiser University in Fort Lauderdale. Just north of Miami, so they could be FAU's travel partner. Not sure if they actually have any athletic programs yet . . . but it is in a great market!

http://www.keiseruniversity.edu/fort-lauderdale.php

(06-11-2013 02:47 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  Here is the conversation from Kurtenbach.

@dkurtenbach: 36 mins ago
FIU is in trouble -- if mbball doesn't pull its four-year APR average above 900 (890 now) the school could be placed on "restricted membership"

@JWhidden3: 33mins ago
How many years have they been under 900 before this year?

@dkurtenbach: 3:13pm
a lot. I think 5/8 years. Don't have numbers in front of me right now.

@dkurtenbach 3:05pm
Restricted mgr: "The school's entire athletics program is penalized and will not be considered part of Division I"

Never thought I'd see my Twitter on the CUSA message board. Awesome!

This is awkward.......

Ouch. pretty shocking its gotten to this point

uab also raised its admission requirements for athletes across the board we have had more than a few recruits turned away that ended up playing against us

(06-11-2013 04:27 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  Better get it up or next year will be bad bad news for FIU.

That's what she said.

Ha!

I don't think the NCAA would actually make FIU move down to D-II. What I think they mean is that FIU wouldn't be eligible for postseason play in ALL sports, couldn't host any postseason events for D-I sports, can't receive money from postseason events, wouldn't count as a D-I opponent on other schools' schedules (RPI purposes in basketball, bowl-counter opponent in football), etc.

Now, there may or may not be anything in C-USA's bylaws that gives them the opportunity to remove a member placed on this type of restriction, but even if there was I don't see C-USA exercising that option. Seems like a competent AD would be able to right the ship within a few years and booting a school you just invited to invite some other school from the same conference you plucked the school you just booted seems like a bunch of unneeded hassle.

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Hopefully this means Garcia is fired. Whatever good he's overseen at FIU he seems to have overseen a lot of fail, too.

If FIU closed down their bball program for a few years would that erase the stain, so all their programs don't get downgraded?