Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville and South Florida are definitely capable of beating P5 teams. The rest, I'm not so sure about.

We've done it pretty recently so yeah...we can beat em. We can beat the NCSUs, UVAs, VTs, UKs, KUs, Marylands, and Minnesotas of the world.

(06-14-2013 11:00 AM)CPR Wrote:  Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville and South Florida are definitely capable of beating P5 teams. The rest, I'm not so sure about.

Every team in the American has beaten a ranked team (much less a unranked team) from a power 5 conference when they have been under dogs. This whole thread is laughable. Why would we even play football if we didn't think we could win? Memphis plays Duke the first game, who is a bowl team from the p5, and hell yeah we can win that game.

Why did you pick the teams above? Is it because they played in the mighty BE, while we all played in CUSA (sans Houston)? UConn, Houston, and USF all sucked last year and probably won't be that great this year, but they can win and no one else can? Hell, UCF will kick the **** out of most of those teams you mentioned.

(06-14-2013 11:00 AM)CPR Wrote:  Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville and South Florida are definitely capable of beating P5 teams. The rest, I'm not so sure about.

Look... The question, as phrased, is too BROAD to be intelligible. "Can AAC teams 'play' and beat 'Power 5' conference teams?" The answer obviously is "YES...but."

I maintain that ANY of the AAC teams are capable of hanging with ANY teams from the "Powe 5" conferences...ON THE LOW END OF EACH CONFERENCE. Does anyone really think that the "worst" program in the AAC is really so behind Colorado (which lost decisively to a FCS team and only won 1 game all season) or Kansas (ditto), or Indiana, or Boston College, or... EVEN MEMPHIS, TEMPLE, and (eventually) TULANE. The cellar of the AAC is comparable to the cellars of the Pac12, Big XII, Big 10, ACC, and even the SEC.

Likewise, the "middle" of the pack would, IMO, compare at least favorably to the "middle of the pack" of the "P5" teams. Not "head-and-shoulders-above" the "P5", but at least fighting odds. When a mid-level AAC program matches up against a mid-level program from the other conferences, it shouldn't be considered an "upset" when the AAC team wins, nor should it be considered damning when they lose. There is parity in the middle, just like there is parity in the middle between the "P5" conferences themselves.

Where the big gap comes is at the "top" and/or elite levels between the AAC and the "P5" conferences. The "top" AAC team likely is not an "automatic" national championship contender, whereas the "top" (sometimes the "Top 2") teams in the other conferences are legitimately "in the race." Our "top" programs have a tough time matching up against the "top" teams of the "P5" conferences. That doesn't mean that they "can't" win, but at least 2-out-of-3 times, the "top" AAC team will LOSE to the "top" teams of the P5 conferences.

Again, merely my opinion.

(06-13-2013 11:01 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 02:17 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  I would definately take Tulane/Memphis over Pitt and Cuse. Pitt can recruit, however not win games and Cuse is ... well the Cuse. However, definately not West Virginia, Missouri, or Auburn.

I think that we beat Tulane fairly easily about two years ago. For the record, we also beat Missouri and WVU last year.

Congrats - here is a gold star. Mizzou and wvu were down last year. I give Cuse credit, though, for a decent year in 2012. However, over the last 5/10 not that great of a program. Hopefully, Cuse can get back some of that old glory in the ACC.

(06-14-2013 11:00 AM)CPR Wrote:  Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville and South Florida are definitely capable of beating P5 teams. The rest, I'm not so sure about.

uhhhh what?

(06-14-2013 11:00 AM)CPR Wrote:  Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville and South Florida are definitely capable of beating P5 teams. The rest, I'm not so sure about.

Lets see. In the last few years USF has beaten:

Notre Dame @ Notre Dame
FSU @ Tallahassee
U Miami @ Miami
Auburn @ one the Plains

I would say that USF can do the job...............

Ty

(06-14-2013 11:43 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 11:00 AM)CPR Wrote:  Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville and South Florida are definitely capable of beating P5 teams. The rest, I'm not so sure about.

Look... The question, as phrased, is too BROAD to be intelligible. "Can AAC teams 'play' and beat 'Power 5' conference teams?" The answer obviously is "YES...but."

I maintain that ANY of the AAC teams are capable of hanging with ANY teams from the "Powe 5" conferences...ON THE LOW END OF EACH CONFERENCE. Does anyone really think that the "worst" program in the AAC is really so behind Colorado (which lost decisively to a FCS team and only won 1 game all season) or Kansas (ditto), or Indiana, or Boston College, or... EVEN MEMPHIS, TEMPLE, and (eventually) TULANE. The cellar of the AAC is comparable to the cellars of the Pac12, Big XII, Big 10, ACC, and even the SEC.

Likewise, the "middle" of the pack would, IMO, compare at least favorably to the "middle of the pack" of the "P5" teams. Not "head-and-shoulders-above" the "P5", but at least fighting odds. When a mid-level AAC program matches up against a mid-level program from the other conferences, it shouldn't be considered an "upset" when the AAC team wins, nor should it be considered damning when they lose. There is parity in the middle, just like there is parity in the middle between the "P5" conferences themselves.

Where the big gap comes is at the "top" and/or elite levels between the AAC and the "P5" conferences. The "top" AAC team likely is not an "automatic" national championship contender, whereas the "top" (sometimes the "Top 2") teams in the other conferences are legitimately "in the race." Our "top" programs have a tough time matching up against the "top" teams of the "P5" conferences. That doesn't mean that they "can't" win, but at least 2-out-of-3 times, the "top" AAC team will LOSE to the "top" teams of the P5 conferences.

Again, merely my opinion.

Couldn't have said it better. I agree.

(06-14-2013 09:48 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  I'm big guy, been around awhile, and can handle myself with Bragg if he chooses to return.......or just choose to ignore him.

Fair enough.

(06-14-2013 11:43 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 11:00 AM)CPR Wrote:  Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville and South Florida are definitely capable of beating P5 teams. The rest, I'm not so sure about.

Look... The question, as phrased, is too BROAD to be intelligible. "Can AAC teams 'play' and beat 'Power 5' conference teams?" The answer obviously is "YES...but."

Good post. I agree that Bragg's question was overly broad, because obviously many AAC schools have in fact beaten P5 schools. USF has beaten Notre Dame, Miami, Auburn, FSU, and Clemson just off the top of my head, and we were never more than a middling Big East football program. And I agree with you that the biggest gap between us and the P5 is at the top. In the AAC, we simply do not have anyone like Alabama, USC, Ohio State, etc. And the very worst P5 schools aren't any better than our very worst schools, at least in the AAC (the worst Sub Belt schools are surely worse than the worst P5 schools).

But I also think the middling P5 schools are better than our middling schools.

(06-14-2013 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 11:43 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 11:00 AM)CPR Wrote:  Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville and South Florida are definitely capable of beating P5 teams. The rest, I'm not so sure about.

Look... The question, as phrased, is too BROAD to be intelligible. "Can AAC teams 'play' and beat 'Power 5' conference teams?" The answer obviously is "YES...but."

Good post. I agree that Bragg's question was overly broad, because obviously many AAC schools have in fact beaten P5 schools. USF has beaten Notre Dame, Miami, Auburn, FSU, and Clemson just off the top of my head, and we were never more than a middling Big East football program. And I agree with you that the biggest gap between us and the P5 is at the top. In the AAC, we simply do not have anyone like Alabama, USC, Ohio State, etc. And the very worst P5 schools aren't any better than our very worst schools, at least in the AAC (the worst Sub Belt schools are surely worse than the worst P5 schools).

But I also think the middling P5 schools are better than our middling schools.

This is an ignorant thread in this posters opinion. Over the last two years the Big EAst has had a three way and a four way tie at the top of the league. The appointed Big East champion has gone on to not only beat, but crush the BCS representative from the SEC and ACC. Louisville beat Florida and West Virginia beat Clemson. Not only beat the team but crushed them. Last year in bowls, Cincy beat Duke, Syracuse beat Wva. Of course Pitt and Rutgers stunk up their games, but that is expected. People always marginalize the Big East other wins. In addition, I am aware that Houston put the smack on Penn State. So please, enough of the little man complex. Res Ipsa Loqutor, the facts speaks for itself.

(06-14-2013 03:09 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 11:43 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 11:00 AM)CPR Wrote:  Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville and South Florida are definitely capable of beating P5 teams. The rest, I'm not so sure about.

Look... The question, as phrased, is too BROAD to be intelligible. "Can AAC teams 'play' and beat 'Power 5' conference teams?" The answer obviously is "YES...but."

Good post. I agree that Bragg's question was overly broad, because obviously many AAC schools have in fact beaten P5 schools. USF has beaten Notre Dame, Miami, Auburn, FSU, and Clemson just off the top of my head, and we were never more than a middling Big East football program. And I agree with you that the biggest gap between us and the P5 is at the top. In the AAC, we simply do not have anyone like Alabama, USC, Ohio State, etc. And the very worst P5 schools aren't any better than our very worst schools, at least in the AAC (the worst Sub Belt schools are surely worse than the worst P5 schools).

But I also think the middling P5 schools are better than our middling schools.

This is an ignorant thread in this posters opinion. Over the last two years the Big EAst has had a three way and a four way tie at the top of the league. The appointed Big East champion has gone on to not only beat, but crush the BCS representative from the SEC and ACC. Louisville beat Florida and West Virginia beat Clemson. Not only beat the team but crushed them. Last year in bowls, Cincy beat Duke, Syracuse beat Wva. Of course Pitt and Rutgers stunk up their games, but that is expected. People always marginalize the Big East other wins. In addition, I am aware that Houston put the smack on Penn State. So please, enough of the little man complex. The record speaks for itself.

The Houston-Penn State bowl was actually 2 years ago

(06-14-2013 03:09 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 11:43 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 11:00 AM)CPR Wrote:  Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville and South Florida are definitely capable of beating P5 teams. The rest, I'm not so sure about.

Look... The question, as phrased, is too BROAD to be intelligible. "Can AAC teams 'play' and beat 'Power 5' conference teams?" The answer obviously is "YES...but."

Good post. I agree that Bragg's question was overly broad, because obviously many AAC schools have in fact beaten P5 schools. USF has beaten Notre Dame, Miami, Auburn, FSU, and Clemson just off the top of my head, and we were never more than a middling Big East football program. And I agree with you that the biggest gap between us and the P5 is at the top. In the AAC, we simply do not have anyone like Alabama, USC, Ohio State, etc. And the very worst P5 schools aren't any better than our very worst schools, at least in the AAC (the worst Sub Belt schools are surely worse than the worst P5 schools).

But I also think the middling P5 schools are better than our middling schools.

This is an ignorant thread in this posters opinion. Over the last two years the Big EAst has had a three way and a four way tie at the top of the league. The appointed Big East champion has gone on to not only beat, but crush the BCS representative from the SEC and ACC. Louisville beat Florida and West Virginia beat Clemson. Not only beat the team but crushed them.

Yes, but those teams are no longer in the AAC. They are now P5 that we will have to beat.

(06-13-2013 08:17 PM)SoonerFan123 Wrote:  People like to believe they're would beaters but I'm going to imagine the AAC OOC W-L record isn't going to look so hot this fall.

Should we be so fortunate to come out 4-0 this year, I will cordially invite you to come back and STFU.

(06-13-2013 06:03 PM)smytiger Wrote:  At least you didn't point out the 4th and 26 play against us in 2001. That still stings!!!

The more Memphis fans continue to point out the "18-12", the more tempted I will be to point that out

But, I am not there just yet

this whole thread

(06-14-2013 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 03:09 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 02:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 11:43 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 11:00 AM)CPR Wrote:  Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Louisville and South Florida are definitely capable of beating P5 teams. The rest, I'm not so sure about.

Look... The question, as phrased, is too BROAD to be intelligible. "Can AAC teams 'play' and beat 'Power 5' conference teams?" The answer obviously is "YES...but."

Good post. I agree that Bragg's question was overly broad, because obviously many AAC schools have in fact beaten P5 schools. USF has beaten Notre Dame, Miami, Auburn, FSU, and Clemson just off the top of my head, and we were never more than a middling Big East football program. And I agree with you that the biggest gap between us and the P5 is at the top. In the AAC, we simply do not have anyone like Alabama, USC, Ohio State, etc. And the very worst P5 schools aren't any better than our very worst schools, at least in the AAC (the worst Sub Belt schools are surely worse than the worst P5 schools).

But I also think the middling P5 schools are better than our middling schools.

This is an ignorant thread in this posters opinion. Over the last two years the Big EAst has had a three way and a four way tie at the top of the league. The appointed Big East champion has gone on to not only beat, but crush the BCS representative from the SEC and ACC. Louisville beat Florida and West Virginia beat Clemson. Not only beat the team but crushed them.

Yes, but those teams are no longer in the AAC. They are now P5 that we will have to beat.

You are not seeing the big picture. Those teams were only tied for the Big East Championship. Theoretically, any of those equally placed teams that are still in the league could make the same showing over the BCS representative of that conference or at the very least win a game against their "power" conference brethren.

The more I think about this conference dilemma, Aresco should try to operate under another dynamic. After reading this thread, I am very encouraged about the chance that the teams in this conference have to win games against the so called power conferences. Aresco needs to make sure that he can leverage the success into tv dollars.

(06-14-2013 08:06 PM)rosewater Wrote:  The more I think about this conference dilemma, Aresco should try to operate under another dynamic. After reading this thread, I am very encouraged about the chance that the teams in this conference have to win games against the so called power conferences. Aresco needs to make sure that he can leverage the success into tv dollars.

So, you're saying we should win more games, and try to get more TV dollars for the conference TV contract? Wow, I never considered that. You like to think outside the box obviously. I admire that.

(06-14-2013 11:31 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 08:06 PM)rosewater Wrote:  The more I think about this conference dilemma, Aresco should try to operate under another dynamic. After reading this thread, I am very encouraged about the chance that the teams in this conference have to win games against the so called power conferences. Aresco needs to make sure that he can leverage the success into tv dollars.

So, you're saying we should win more games, and try to get more TV dollars for the conference TV contract? Wow, I never considered that. You like to think outside the box obviously. I admire that.

Real cute jerk.