Kind of like how you thought Notre Dame would forevermore remain truly Independent in football.

Instead we see they have joined the ACC and given up the privilage of playing in their Championship game in return for still having Some control over it's scheduling. Part of it's scheduling is in the hands of the ACC. True Independence is gone. Who would have ever thought such a day would come, yet here it is.

(06-22-2013 06:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 04:16 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 07:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The Big 12's line up can satisfy all the other Major Conferences while the ACC's really only satisfies three.

This is where I think the whole debate jumps the shark. At the end of the day leagues will decide how big they want to go, not some idealistic 4x16 model. So while the B12 dissolution might make the theories nice and mathematically even, it doesn't make one bit of difference in practical application.

To me anything that tries to force the future to fit that model is suspect and ignores the fact that every postseason model has molded to the leagues, not the other way around. Nobody is forcing ANYONE past current membership unwillingly and I don't see teams other than UT, OU, and MAYBE ku or WVU getting bids elsewhere without UT or OU dragging them.

Lets give the decent scenario.

Texoma4 to PAC
KU+UConn to B1G

SEC not at 16
ACC not at 16
Dubious odds of ISU, KSU, BU, and TCU getting ACC or SEC bids from there.
WVU is attractive for those two but who is a partner that makes it worth it money wise?

I don't see 4x16 as likely even WITH a B12 dissolution. So any idea that 4x16 matters is dubious to me.

That is your opinion that it is the only decent scenario. Myself and others disagree. Considering you are a Baylor fan, it is not too far for me to say you are quite biased in your decision making of what is and what isn't a "Decent" scenario.

I didn't intend to imply its the only decent scenario. My point is that odds are against the Big 12 breakup leading to 4x16. The scenario I laid out above is the most likely outcome other than the (IMO) more likely six teams left out scenario.

The scenarios that I have seen tossed around on the 4x16 front to me are far fetched and involve leagues making likely revenue reducing moves simply expanding to hit a membership number instead of their per school revenue number.

As for my BU fandom, it's irrelevant here. My opinion here isn't on the strength of or league or estmating my program's strength. The opinion here has more to do with whether combos of schools are likely to be attractive once Texoma4 are hypothetically gone. Green and gold goggles don't influence this one. The ACC, SEC, and B1G had little to no interest before and I doubt they have it now for TCU, WVU, ku, bu, KSU, or ISU.

I honestly struggle to see a scenario for 4x16. Even the borderline scenarios in a p16 world (IMO) like WVU+KU to SEC or ACC or KU+MU to b1g with WVU replacing MU only get you halfway there.

(06-22-2013 06:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Kind of like how you thought Notre Dame would forevermore remain truly Independent in football.

Instead we see they have joined the ACC and given up the privilage of playing in their Championship game in return for still having Some control over it's scheduling. Part of it's scheduling is in the hands of the ACC. True Independence is gone. Who would have ever thought such a day would come, yet here it is.

I didn't make this personal. But, now that you mention it, more like you incorrectly were certain the Big Ten was going to 20 schools and an intra conference playoff by feasting on ACC schools.

(06-22-2013 06:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Kind of like how you thought Notre Dame would forevermore remain truly Independent in football.

Instead we see they have joined the ACC and given up the privilage of playing in their Championship game in return for still having Some control over it's scheduling. Part of it's scheduling is in the hands of the ACC. True Independence is gone. Who would have ever thought such a day would come, yet here it is.

I didn't make this personal. But, now that you mention it, more like you incorrectly were certain the Big Ten was going to 20 schools and an intra conference playoff by feasting on ACC schools.

Certain? No, I was certain of Maryland as they were the only consistant aspect of any of my realignment scenario possibilities. The one with the Big Ten going to 20 with schools from the ACC was just the most likely of any possibilities that were being tossed around.

Nice try though. I see you did not deny that Notre Dame is no longer truly Independent. That is called deflection.

I wasn't being personal by the way. I was talking about Notre Dame, not you. You chose to make it personal and then you tried making me take it personal by spinning my personal reflections on possibilities into me making prognostications on what will absolutely happen as if I was The Dude. I wasn't out making a blog or trying to bring attention to myself. I was just chatting on a forum about possible scenario's. That is hardly me saying anything is a certainty jsut like I am not saying the Big 12 breaking up is a certainty. I am just listing it as a possibility, because it is.

(06-22-2013 06:42 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 04:16 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 07:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The Big 12's line up can satisfy all the other Major Conferences while the ACC's really only satisfies three.

This is where I think the whole debate jumps the shark. At the end of the day leagues will decide how big they want to go, not some idealistic 4x16 model. So while the B12 dissolution might make the theories nice and mathematically even, it doesn't make one bit of difference in practical application.

To me anything that tries to force the future to fit that model is suspect and ignores the fact that every postseason model has molded to the leagues, not the other way around. Nobody is forcing ANYONE past current membership unwillingly and I don't see teams other than UT, OU, and MAYBE ku or WVU getting bids elsewhere without UT or OU dragging them.

Lets give the decent scenario.

Texoma4 to PAC
KU+UConn to B1G

SEC not at 16
ACC not at 16
Dubious odds of ISU, KSU, BU, and TCU getting ACC or SEC bids from there.
WVU is attractive for those two but who is a partner that makes it worth it money wise?

I don't see 4x16 as likely even WITH a B12 dissolution. So any idea that 4x16 matters is dubious to me.

That is your opinion that it is the only decent scenario. Myself and others disagree. Considering you are a Baylor fan, it is not too far for me to say you are quite biased in your decision making of what is and what isn't a "Decent" scenario.

I didn't intend to imply its the only decent scenario. My point is that odds are against the Big 12 breakup leading to 4x16. The scenario I laid out above is the most likely outcome other than the (IMO) more likely six teams left out scenario.

The scenarios that I have seen tossed around on the 4x16 front to me are far fetched and involve leagues making likely revenue reducing moves simply expanding to hit a membership number instead of their per school revenue number.

As for my BU fandom, it's irrelevant here. My opinion here isn't on the strength of or league or estmating my program's strength. The opinion here has more to do with whether combos of schools are likely to be attractive once Texoma4 are hypothetically gone. Green and gold goggles don't influence this one. The ACC, SEC, and B1G had little to no interest before and I doubt they have it now for TCU, WVU, ku, bu, KSU, or ISU.

I honestly struggle to see a scenario for 4x16. Even the borderline scenarios in a p16 world (IMO) like WVU+KU to SEC or ACC or KU+MU to b1g with WVU replacing MU only get you halfway there.

So you think that the ACC would have little to no interest in Texas? You think Texas wouldn't use their leverage with the help of ESPN to bring along a friend or two so that they face less heat at home in the State of Texas? I think it is pretty clear that such a move is right up the Longhorn's alley.

In the end it is all about how much money is dangled in front of these conferences in terms of going along with the overall picture.

(06-22-2013 07:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:42 PM)S11 Wrote:  .

I honestly struggle to see a scenario for 4x16. Even the borderline scenarios in a p16 world (IMO) like WVU+KU to SEC or ACC or KU+MU to b1g with WVU replacing MU only get you halfway there.

So you think that the ACC would have little to no interest in Texas? You think Texas wouldn't use their leverage with the help of ESPN to bring along a friend or two so that they face less heat at home in the State of Texas? I think it is pretty clear that such a move is right up the Longhorn's alley.

In the end it is all about how much money is dangled in front of these conferences in terms of going along with the overall picture.

My point isn't even arguing that. My point is that there are few if any realistic scenarios to get us to 4x16. If Texas goes east the PAC likely stays at 12 and I doubt more than two go to 16. If Texoma goes west we end up with the weak scenarios I outlined earlier.

(06-22-2013 07:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:42 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 04:16 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 07:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The Big 12's line up can satisfy all the other Major Conferences while the ACC's really only satisfies three.

This is where I think the whole debate jumps the shark. At the end of the day leagues will decide how big they want to go, not some idealistic 4x16 model. So while the B12 dissolution might make the theories nice and mathematically even, it doesn't make one bit of difference in practical application.

To me anything that tries to force the future to fit that model is suspect and ignores the fact that every postseason model has molded to the leagues, not the other way around. Nobody is forcing ANYONE past current membership unwillingly and I don't see teams other than UT, OU, and MAYBE ku or WVU getting bids elsewhere without UT or OU dragging them.

Lets give the decent scenario.

Texoma4 to PAC
KU+UConn to B1G

SEC not at 16
ACC not at 16
Dubious odds of ISU, KSU, BU, and TCU getting ACC or SEC bids from there.
WVU is attractive for those two but who is a partner that makes it worth it money wise?

I don't see 4x16 as likely even WITH a B12 dissolution. So any idea that 4x16 matters is dubious to me.

That is your opinion that it is the only decent scenario. Myself and others disagree. Considering you are a Baylor fan, it is not too far for me to say you are quite biased in your decision making of what is and what isn't a "Decent" scenario.

I didn't intend to imply its the only decent scenario. My point is that odds are against the Big 12 breakup leading to 4x16. The scenario I laid out above is the most likely outcome other than the (IMO) more likely six teams left out scenario.

The scenarios that I have seen tossed around on the 4x16 front to me are far fetched and involve leagues making likely revenue reducing moves simply expanding to hit a membership number instead of their per school revenue number.

As for my BU fandom, it's irrelevant here. My opinion here isn't on the strength of or league or estmating my program's strength. The opinion here has more to do with whether combos of schools are likely to be attractive once Texoma4 are hypothetically gone. Green and gold goggles don't influence this one. The ACC, SEC, and B1G had little to no interest before and I doubt they have it now for TCU, WVU, ku, bu, KSU, or ISU.

I honestly struggle to see a scenario for 4x16. Even the borderline scenarios in a p16 world (IMO) like WVU+KU to SEC or ACC or KU+MU to b1g with WVU replacing MU only get you halfway there.

So you think that the ACC would have little to no interest in Texas? You think Texas wouldn't use their leverage with the help of ESPN to bring along a friend or two so that they face less heat at home in the State of Texas? I think it is pretty clear that such a move is right up the Longhorn's alley.

In the end it is all about how much money is dangled in front of these conferences in terms of going along with the overall picture.

I don't think that Texas to the ACC in any capacity has a snowball's chance either.

(06-22-2013 07:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I don't think that Texas to the ACC in any capacity has a snowball's chance either.

I'll give it a snowball in about a decade, but I don't think that it would happen before that.

Also, if it did, it would be a partial member situation.

Honestly though, I would rather Penn State. ND, PSU, SU, Pitt, BC, UMD, and WVU need to be in the same conference. I think that the ship has sailed on UMD and WVU, but I do think that there's a snowball's shot that PSU, SU, Pitt, ND, and BC might end up together someday.

(06-22-2013 07:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 07:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:42 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 04:16 PM)S11 Wrote:  This is where I think the whole debate jumps the shark. At the end of the day leagues will decide how big they want to go, not some idealistic 4x16 model. So while the B12 dissolution might make the theories nice and mathematically even, it doesn't make one bit of difference in practical application.

To me anything that tries to force the future to fit that model is suspect and ignores the fact that every postseason model has molded to the leagues, not the other way around. Nobody is forcing ANYONE past current membership unwillingly and I don't see teams other than UT, OU, and MAYBE ku or WVU getting bids elsewhere without UT or OU dragging them.

Lets give the decent scenario.

Texoma4 to PAC
KU+UConn to B1G

SEC not at 16
ACC not at 16
Dubious odds of ISU, KSU, BU, and TCU getting ACC or SEC bids from there.
WVU is attractive for those two but who is a partner that makes it worth it money wise?

I don't see 4x16 as likely even WITH a B12 dissolution. So any idea that 4x16 matters is dubious to me.

That is your opinion that it is the only decent scenario. Myself and others disagree. Considering you are a Baylor fan, it is not too far for me to say you are quite biased in your decision making of what is and what isn't a "Decent" scenario.

I didn't intend to imply its the only decent scenario. My point is that odds are against the Big 12 breakup leading to 4x16. The scenario I laid out above is the most likely outcome other than the (IMO) more likely six teams left out scenario.

The scenarios that I have seen tossed around on the 4x16 front to me are far fetched and involve leagues making likely revenue reducing moves simply expanding to hit a membership number instead of their per school revenue number.

As for my BU fandom, it's irrelevant here. My opinion here isn't on the strength of or league or estmating my program's strength. The opinion here has more to do with whether combos of schools are likely to be attractive once Texoma4 are hypothetically gone. Green and gold goggles don't influence this one. The ACC, SEC, and B1G had little to no interest before and I doubt they have it now for TCU, WVU, ku, bu, KSU, or ISU.

I honestly struggle to see a scenario for 4x16. Even the borderline scenarios in a p16 world (IMO) like WVU+KU to SEC or ACC or KU+MU to b1g with WVU replacing MU only get you halfway there.

So you think that the ACC would have little to no interest in Texas? You think Texas wouldn't use their leverage with the help of ESPN to bring along a friend or two so that they face less heat at home in the State of Texas? I think it is pretty clear that such a move is right up the Longhorn's alley.

In the end it is all about how much money is dangled in front of these conferences in terms of going along with the overall picture.

I don't think that Texas to the ACC in any capacity has a snowball's chance either.

Texas to the PAC-12/16 with Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State when super conferences realign or if and when they realign.

(06-22-2013 07:28 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Kind of like how you thought Notre Dame would forevermore remain truly Independent in football.

Instead we see they have joined the ACC and given up the privilage of playing in their Championship game in return for still having Some control over it's scheduling. Part of it's scheduling is in the hands of the ACC. True Independence is gone. Who would have ever thought such a day would come, yet here it is.

I didn't make this personal. But, now that you mention it, more like you incorrectly were certain the Big Ten was going to 20 schools and an intra conference playoff by feasting on ACC schools.

Certain? No, I was certain of Maryland as they were the only consistant aspect of any of my realignment scenario possibilities. The one with the Big Ten going to 20 with schools from the ACC was just the most likely of any possibilities that were being tossed around.

Nice try though. I see you did not deny that Notre Dame is no longer truly Independent. That is called deflection.

I wasn't being personal by the way. I was talking about Notre Dame, not you. You chose to make it personal and then you tried making me take it personal by spinning my personal reflections on possibilities into me making prognostications on what will absolutely happen as if I was The Dude. I wasn't out making a blog or trying to bring attention to myself. I was just chatting on a forum about possible scenario's. That is hardly me saying anything is a certainty jsut like I am not saying the Big 12 breaking up is a certainty. I am just listing it as a possibility, because it is.

You sure that you (bold intended) did not make it personal in the original post above?

(06-23-2013 09:00 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 07:28 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Kind of like how you thought Notre Dame would forevermore remain truly Independent in football.

Instead we see they have joined the ACC and given up the privilage of playing in their Championship game in return for still having Some control over it's scheduling. Part of it's scheduling is in the hands of the ACC. True Independence is gone. Who would have ever thought such a day would come, yet here it is.

I didn't make this personal. But, now that you mention it, more like you incorrectly were certain the Big Ten was going to 20 schools and an intra conference playoff by feasting on ACC schools.

Certain? No, I was certain of Maryland as they were the only consistant aspect of any of my realignment scenario possibilities. The one with the Big Ten going to 20 with schools from the ACC was just the most likely of any possibilities that were being tossed around.

Nice try though. I see you did not deny that Notre Dame is no longer truly Independent. That is called deflection.

I wasn't being personal by the way. I was talking about Notre Dame, not you. You chose to make it personal and then you tried making me take it personal by spinning my personal reflections on possibilities into me making prognostications on what will absolutely happen as if I was The Dude. I wasn't out making a blog or trying to bring attention to myself. I was just chatting on a forum about possible scenario's. That is hardly me saying anything is a certainty jsut like I am not saying the Big 12 breaking up is a certainty. I am just listing it as a possibility, because it is.

You sure that you (bold intended) did not make it personal in the original post above?

Everyone thought that Notre Dame would remain an actual Independent entity in football. Who would have ever thought that Notre Dame would sign over some of it's scheduling rights to another entity other than itself?

If you take that personal then ok guess I did.

The big difference is, I didn't do any spin like you did.

(06-23-2013 09:05 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 09:00 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 07:28 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Kind of like how you thought Notre Dame would forevermore remain truly Independent in football.

Instead we see they have joined the ACC and given up the privilage of playing in their Championship game in return for still having Some control over it's scheduling. Part of it's scheduling is in the hands of the ACC. True Independence is gone. Who would have ever thought such a day would come, yet here it is.

I didn't make this personal. But, now that you mention it, more like you incorrectly were certain the Big Ten was going to 20 schools and an intra conference playoff by feasting on ACC schools.

Certain? No, I was certain of Maryland as they were the only consistant aspect of any of my realignment scenario possibilities. The one with the Big Ten going to 20 with schools from the ACC was just the most likely of any possibilities that were being tossed around.

Nice try though. I see you did not deny that Notre Dame is no longer truly Independent. That is called deflection.

I wasn't being personal by the way. I was talking about Notre Dame, not you. You chose to make it personal and then you tried making me take it personal by spinning my personal reflections on possibilities into me making prognostications on what will absolutely happen as if I was The Dude. I wasn't out making a blog or trying to bring attention to myself. I was just chatting on a forum about possible scenario's. That is hardly me saying anything is a certainty jsut like I am not saying the Big 12 breaking up is a certainty. I am just listing it as a possibility, because it is.

You sure that you (bold intended) did not make it personal in the original post above?

Everyone thought that Notre Dame would remain an actual Independent entity in football. Who would have ever thought that Notre Dame would sign over some of it's scheduling rights to another entity other than itself?

If you take that personal then ok guess I did.

The big difference is, I didn't do any spin like you did.

Going to end this here but your post began with "Kind of how YOU thought...."

(06-23-2013 09:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 09:05 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 09:00 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 07:28 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I didn't make this personal. But, now that you mention it, more like you incorrectly were certain the Big Ten was going to 20 schools and an intra conference playoff by feasting on ACC schools.

Certain? No, I was certain of Maryland as they were the only consistant aspect of any of my realignment scenario possibilities. The one with the Big Ten going to 20 with schools from the ACC was just the most likely of any possibilities that were being tossed around.

Nice try though. I see you did not deny that Notre Dame is no longer truly Independent. That is called deflection.

I wasn't being personal by the way. I was talking about Notre Dame, not you. You chose to make it personal and then you tried making me take it personal by spinning my personal reflections on possibilities into me making prognostications on what will absolutely happen as if I was The Dude. I wasn't out making a blog or trying to bring attention to myself. I was just chatting on a forum about possible scenario's. That is hardly me saying anything is a certainty jsut like I am not saying the Big 12 breaking up is a certainty. I am just listing it as a possibility, because it is.

You sure that you (bold intended) did not make it personal in the original post above?

Everyone thought that Notre Dame would remain an actual Independent entity in football. Who would have ever thought that Notre Dame would sign over some of it's scheduling rights to another entity other than itself?

If you take that personal then ok guess I did.

The big difference is, I didn't do any spin like you did.

Going to end this here but your post began with "Kind of how YOU thought...."

Guess you want to end it because you are avoiding the counter of you going overboard from this supposed "personal slight" by me. Guess the fact that Notre Dame is no longer Independent in football truly does bother you.

You lied, you spun and I simply told a truth that you didn't like reading so you went overboard. End of Story.

I think there is a very small chance a solo texas with or without football could join the acc. I think there is no chance the acc would take other texas school's, too much dilution. I think the concept of the 4x16 model is more important than an exact match of the 4x16. The concept is to create 4 paths for the playoffs which i don't' think means having everybody the same, 4 leagues at 16. Right now there are 5 top leagues with the mwc and aac a notch below but could put up top 4 teams if things bounced there way + 2 indy school's, nd and byu, who could crack the top 4. I think its possible that could get trimmed to 4 leagues with some movements but you will still have a few school's outside the 4 major league pool. Of course, if the playoff gets expanded to 8, than having the 4 funnels isn't a big deal and leagues might want to get smaller. THe problem with leagues getting smaller is conference networks need markets and content so the big 10, pac 10, sec, maybe acc don't want to go to 10 + throw in champ games which become meaningless as the playoff gets bigger. Thus, you got a tug of war going on. Right now the big 12 looks like the weakest league and could be carved up.

If i was carving it up, i'd probably send texas, texas tech, ou and ok state to the pac, KU and missouri to the big with wvu going the sec. The remaining 4 big 12 teams go to the aac with say uconn, cincy and gtown joining the acc. Thus, you would have the big and pac at 16, the sec at 14 and acc at 16/18 with the mwc and aac still being in the picture.

(06-23-2013 09:10 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 09:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 09:05 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 09:00 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 07:28 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Certain? No, I was certain of Maryland as they were the only consistant aspect of any of my realignment scenario possibilities. The one with the Big Ten going to 20 with schools from the ACC was just the most likely of any possibilities that were being tossed around.

Nice try though. I see you did not deny that Notre Dame is no longer truly Independent. That is called deflection.

I wasn't being personal by the way. I was talking about Notre Dame, not you. You chose to make it personal and then you tried making me take it personal by spinning my personal reflections on possibilities into me making prognostications on what will absolutely happen as if I was The Dude. I wasn't out making a blog or trying to bring attention to myself. I was just chatting on a forum about possible scenario's. That is hardly me saying anything is a certainty jsut like I am not saying the Big 12 breaking up is a certainty. I am just listing it as a possibility, because it is.

You sure that you (bold intended) did not make it personal in the original post above?

Everyone thought that Notre Dame would remain an actual Independent entity in football. Who would have ever thought that Notre Dame would sign over some of it's scheduling rights to another entity other than itself?

If you take that personal then ok guess I did.

The big difference is, I didn't do any spin like you did.

Going to end this here but your post began with "Kind of how YOU thought...."

Guess you want to end it because you are avoiding the counter of you going overboard from this supposed "personal slight" by me. Guess the fact that Notre Dame is no longer Independent in football truly does bother you.

You lied, you spun and I simply told a truth that you didn't like reading so you went overboard. End of Story.

I am happy with ND's status.

I think it is the best of both worlds.

If ND ends up a full member of the ACC, I will adapt to that.

Any result, in my view, is or would be better than ND ending up in the Big Ten.

That was always my worst case scenario to be avoided at all costs.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...T9BFPvLi3M

At any rate, it is my opinion that 4 X 16 or larger conferences and intra conference playoffs are pie in the sky ideas with too many parochial interests lined up against them to occur.

We just disagree on that and always will until one or the other is proven right.

I still think the GoR might be the mechanism that allows UT and OU to leave TTU/OSU/Baylor behind. For the sake of argument, say OU and UT, through a deal with FOX and ESPN, are able to purchase back their media rights and get out of the GoR 4 years early, while the other BigXii teams are stuck. What would be the cascade of events that would follow up to the point of the GoR expiration?

A Realistic Scenario of How the Big 12 Could Die By Dissolution.

...........

Texas and Oklahoma make the worst decision ever and leave an auto-bid league to play second fiddle in another.

Let's face it expansion nuts. We are going to be pretty calm for a long time.

WHY WOULD TEXAS AND OU GIVE UP A GOLDEN TICKET TO THE CRYSTAL FOOTBALL DANCE?

(06-23-2013 04:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  A Realistic Scenario of How the Big 12 Could Die By Dissolution.

...........

Texas and Oklahoma make the worst decision ever and leave an auto-bid league to play second fiddle in another.

Let's face it expansion nuts. We are going to be pretty calm for a long time.

WHY WOULD TEXAS AND OU GIVE UP A GOLDEN TICKET TO THE CRYSTAL FOOTBALL DANCE?

More money!!

(06-23-2013 03:42 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  I still think the GoR might be the mechanism that allows UT and OU to leave TTU/OSU/Baylor behind. For the sake of argument, say OU and UT, through a deal with FOX and ESPN, are able to purchase back their media rights and get out of the GoR 4 years early, while the other BigXii teams are stuck. What would be the cascade of events that would follow up to the point of the GoR expiration?

Much of the assumptions, speculation and postureing on the Big12 breaking up seems to be based on OU and UT wanting to leave the Big12.

Guys from my perspective, and from all of the chatter, here in the heart of Big12 country, it seems very plain that OU and UT are very, very happy in the Big12 and have no desire what so ever to leave.

(06-23-2013 04:22 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 03:42 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  I still think the GoR might be the mechanism that allows UT and OU to leave TTU/OSU/Baylor behind. For the sake of argument, say OU and UT, through a deal with FOX and ESPN, are able to purchase back their media rights and get out of the GoR 4 years early, while the other BigXii teams are stuck. What would be the cascade of events that would follow up to the point of the GoR expiration?

Much of the assumptions, speculation and postureing on the Big12 breaking up seems to be based on OU and UT wanting to leave the Big12.

Guys from my perspective, and from all of the chatter, here in the heart of Big12 country, it seems very plain that OU and UT are very, very happy in the Big12 and have no desire what so ever to leave.

Yep, OU and UT have a sweetheart deal with their current setup, especially UT, with LHN. All the Big12 teams have great payouts, which are amongst the highest in CFB, and they do not have to win a CCG to get to the dance. No way they (OU/UT) leave, and the Big12 will only expand when/if a rule comes out that says a conference must have 12 teams to qualify for the playoffs.

The real argument is will the other conferences complain about the easier path that the Big12 schools have to the upcoming playoffs? Once a Big12 wins a national title without the CCG, I think you'll see this argument gain speed. Just one person's opinion of course.