(06-22-2013 06:59 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:17 PM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 06:00 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 05:56 PM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 05:33 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  When ODU expands the stadium, that will have a major impact on recruits. The dream and vision Wilder will be able to sell to these young men.......playing in front of a Sold Out Stadium of 35,000 - 40,000 screaming ODU fans, and even a larger expansion planned for the future (60,000). This will impact who we will retain while recruiting Virginia Football Recruits. The impact on Regional Recruits will be influenced more and more on the perception of a Program that is making a statement about the direction the University is going.

Remember the University has plans to increase enrollment to 30,000 students on or before 2017. We are connecting more and more with Eastern Virginia Medical School and there are rumblings that a merger would be the most beneficial of all alternatives for the region. ODU is one of the largest Research funded programs in the state. This would have a huge impact on the health initiative of Hampton Roads, which already has a $40 million budget/grant with ODU. The university is in the middle of capital improvements, $400 million in new construction, outside of Athletic facilities. ODU is the largest International Research Institution in the State, ahead of UVA and VA Tech, who we share a very distinguished affiliate membership in, as a Carnage Research Institution. ODU's, financial impact on the state and the region has infused over a Billion dollars back into the economy of Hampton Roads every year.

We have become more than a blimp on ESPN's target market regions. They have recognized the area as a AAA market for national and major sport event viewer destinations. Listed as one of the top 10 markets because of multiple indicators for ratings.

ODU is headed in the right direction

Aim High

Did something change with EVMC? EVMC made a big deal out of their decision to be associated with William & Mary.

Yes.........there have been reconsiderations from both sides!

Not to say what direction this will go, but there has been a new dialogue opened about ODU again.

Correct, EVMC is "trying" to merge with W&M.

"If the schools decide to proceed, a merger would require approval of the General Assembly and the governor.

"The fact that one of the oldest, most prestigious colleges in the country would consider affiliating with us speaks volumes about the groundbreaking work our faculty, staff and students are achieving every day," EVMS President Harry T. Lester said in an email to faculty, staff and students. "While we won't know for some time how this will work out, I think this is a tremendous compliment and an opportunity worth exploring." ...

The announcement drew a quick response from EVMS' neighbor in Norfolk, Old Dominion University. ODU President John Broderick sent a message to his campus that said "broadening the discussion to include Old Dominion and others would add value for the best interests of the region and the commonwealth."

He noted that in the last legislative session, Del. Johnny S. Joannou, D-Portsmouth, proposed a study, which was tabled, on the feasibility of a merger between EVMS and ODU."

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/w-m-an...a1afb.html

With money so tight in Virginia, I can't see the Commonwealth wanting to fund another school. JMHO.

By the way, I believe UVA; VA Tech and VCU have the largest research programs in the Commonwealth. What is the size in dollars compared to those major research programs. I believe UVA is the largest, VCU is number two and VA Tech is about $400 million at number 3?

Maybe for total dollars, I was referring to International.....

Thanks, we sold our property in Sand Bridge a couple of years ago so I don't keep up with the happenings in Tidewater. I started going to the area in 1972, but haven't been in the area much in the last few years. I-64 is not a fun drive anymore with the heavy traffic. I bet it must be terrible driving around the 757 area like it is in Northern VA.

(06-22-2013 07:14 PM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  Thanks, we sold our property in Sand Bridge a couple of years ago so I don't keep up with the happenings in Tidewater. I started going to the area in 1972, but haven't been in the area much in the last few years. I-64 is not a fun drive anymore with the heavy traffic. I bet it must be terrible driving around the 757 area like it is in Northern VA.

At times it is not fun!

Some info recently about EVMS/ODU......

Old Dominion University and Eastern Virginia Medical School plan to study a potential partnership to create Virginia's first school of public health.

ODU issued a request for proposals this week seeking a consultant to conduct the study, funded by a $125,000 appropriation approved by the General Assembly in February.

ODU and EVMS have operated a joint master's degree program in public health since 1999. The study will include an assessment of that program and other health-related courses and programs offered by the two Norfolk schools that could be incorporated into the proposed new school.

There are no schools of public health in Virginia. The nearest ones are at the University of North Carolina, George Washington University, the University of Maryland, Johns Hopkins University, West Virginia University and East Tennessee State University.

Creating a school would be a big leap beyond the existing joint master's degree program, leaders at ODU and EVMS said.
Proceeding on a separate track, funded by a $200,000 state appropriation, is a study of a possible merger between EVMS and the College of William & Mary.

The two schools have adopted a go-slow approach to that idea, expressing concerns about financial resources, differences in rankings between the two schools, and the lack of a "compelling vision" for a merger.

More...... http://hamptonroads.com/2013/06/odu-evms...lic-health

Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education
Carnegie Doctoral/Research Universities-Extensive
Virginia
University of Virginia
Virginia Commonwealth University
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Old Dominion University

http://www.washington.edu/tools/universities.html#V

The biggest problem with the EVMS Deal is Ralph Northam is basically a shoe in for Lt. governor and while he is a Norfolk guy, he completely stabbed the school and region in the back by personally proposing the WM Merger to the general assembly. He is an EVMS grad and wants to brag that his school is now WM. it's a conflict of interest that is going to really screw Norfolk, the taxpayers and ODU. As long as he is in politics I can't see much progress on the ODU/EVMS front, no matter hoe great it would be for all parties.

(06-22-2013 09:11 PM)monarx Wrote:  The biggest problem with the EVMS Deal is Ralph Northam is basically a shoe in for Lt. governor and while he is a Norfolk guy, he completely stabbed the school and region in the back by personally proposing the WM Merger to the general assembly. He is an EVMS grad and wants to brag that his school is now WM. it's a conflict of interest that is going to really screw Norfolk, the taxpayers and ODU. As long as he is in politics I can't see much progress on the ODU/EVMS front, no matter hoe great it would be for all parties.

Sad, but true. The best interest of the community is never served. This issue is very political, and reeks of back door politics and "PAY BACKS".

Maybe, some out cry from a Norfolk, Hampton Roads Political Consortium could lead to what is needed, and in the best interest for the people in Hampton Roads. This could be a wonderful opportunity for the Politicians to show they care about the needs of the people they represent.

Naaaaaaa........... that's the real world!

To me grabbing a kid or two from another g5 school doesn't mean anything of course it's a good recruiting start but no more than that. We have to score some uber cool victories over established bcs schools to make a statement which might not happen immediately but soon comes the time. As per the upside the school and the city with crazy football hunger with proven athletic success and incredible support with good athletic budget and good recruiting grounds is getting started I leave it to your imagination.(hint ) gonna blow your minds

(06-23-2013 09:54 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  To me grabbing a kid or two from another g5 school doesn't mean anything of course it's a good recruiting start but no more than that. We have to score some uber cool victories over established bcs schools to make a statement which might not happen immediately but soon comes the time. As per the upside the school and the city with crazy football hunger with proven athletic success and incredible support with good athletic budget and good recruiting grounds is getting started I leave it to your imagination.(hint ) gonna blow your minds

Grabbing some top talent available to the Go5 will,hopefully translate into some bowl games and victories. Then we hopefully can start stealing a few BCS level guys every now and then.

ODU has high potential. High enrollment and growing school, which means that the revenue spigot will always be running. There's community interest in their program. The market is solid. They're one of only 3 FBS schools in a pretty highly populated state.

(06-23-2013 10:21 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 09:54 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  To me grabbing a kid or two from another g5 school doesn't mean anything of course it's a good recruiting start but no more than that. We have to score some uber cool victories over established bcs schools to make a statement which might not happen immediately but soon comes the time. As per the upside the school and the city with crazy football hunger with proven athletic success and incredible support with good athletic budget and good recruiting grounds is getting started I leave it to your imagination.(hint ) gonna blow your minds

Grabbing some top talent available to the Go5 will,hopefully translate into some bowl games and victories. Then we hopefully can start stealing a few BCS level guys every now and then.

Here's to the future of the Monarchs

IMO, ODU has a great deal of potential.

I think ODU, UTSA, UTEP, and others do pose a threat to their big brother universities in their state.

UAB is a perfect example of this.

In UTEP's case, I recall during the 70's people preferred to weat Bevo wear. As soon as UTEP got a taste of a bowl, many switched interest and game viewership over. El Paso fball fans tailgated/attended the UTEP game, instead of watching the longhorns on tv.

I suspect they would know that UTSA could have the same impact on San Antonio, Houston on their city, SMU in Dallas, etc.

ODU poses this threat to the large VA schools on a large scale. Success will drive it. Success will bring following and create the large ODU fanbase. Not 100%, but enough.

I'm sure this is also a concern from the P5, which they are trying to address (market dilution) by attempting to break away.

(06-22-2013 12:36 PM)monarchman Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 11:10 AM)EagleX Wrote:  I think part if it depends on whether or not, once they get to the point that they catch the eye of UVA and VT, the internal politics in VA allow the establishment schools to hold odu down*, if they should so choose.


*see: alabama and auburn re: uab, and UM and MS re: southern miss.

It's possible, but not very likely as it's a bit more difficult to accomplish that in Virginia (UAB's situation for example), as all of the universities are independent state agencies with their own board (there are no state systems). ODU being the lone large research school and FBS program in Hampton Roads really helps our situation given the areas population. FWIW, UVA football barely registers in the Norfolk area.

I'd like to think the Commonwealth would never allow a racist crook to dictate policy and run roughshod like Paul Bryant Jr. has been allowed to do.

Yeah what's happening to UAB due to a real SOB like PB Jr is nothing short of atrocity and i have my share of concern and sympathy for our CUSA brothers from Alabama. I do not know how the heck a crook like him is in such a position and is manipulating UAB's future behind the scenes.

Getting one recruits means little.

However ODU does have as much upside as anyone in CUSA and this will not be the last recruit that picks ODU over ECU this year. That program will prove to be direct competition for the pirates for many years to come.

I think it hurts the depth of ECU. In the past they may have had the luxury of adding a Ximines as a compliment to a recruiting class but now ODU is present and ready to eat away at that. (If that's what really happened)

I'm sure ECU has plans in place to recover from this.

(06-22-2013 03:00 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  As you can see, we've got the usual "ECU messageboard defenders" chiming in on this. Just ignore these stupid comments.

Not me. I've said all along that Terry Holland helping ODU and UNCC to same conference we were in at the time was the stupidest move ever. Thankfully the AAC invite will help mitigate it some.

This was inevitable that we'd lose recruits to them. It's not like basketball where you concentrate on a select few preferred players and have tons of chance to scout them year round in a talent rich state and more coaches to players ration. Most recruits in football have to come directly from your area if nothing else a time management and cost in recruiting them and there are only so many D1 caliber recruits in this area which boils down to a number game not to mention the cost of instate out of state.

Even if they only got 1 or 2 a year each or gave scholarships to a Justin Hardy or someone like that we'd get as a preferred walk on it will have negative affect on our program. Lets just say they get 2 each which would be a small number to lose in each class, but over the course of 5 years that most players redshirt you are talking 20 players out of 85 on every roster you used to get that you don't now. Probably another few we'd get as walkons in the past that wanted to play FBS instead of take a scholarship at FCS that will now have a chance at a scholarship too.

Hopefully we got an AD now that will be a heck of a lot less friendly towards some of these area upstarts this time and I think we do.

(06-23-2013 02:32 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 03:00 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  As you can see, we've got the usual "ECU messageboard defenders" chiming in on this. Just ignore these stupid comments.

Not me. I've said all along that Terry Holland helping ODU and UNCC to same conference we were in at the time was the stupidest move ever. Thankfully the AAC invite will help mitigate it some.

This was inevitable that we'd lose recruits to them. It's not like basketball where you concentrate on a select few preferred players and have tons of chance to scout them year round in a talent rich state and more coaches to players ration. Most recruits in football have to come directly from your area if nothing else a time management and cost in recruiting them and there are only so many D1 caliber recruits in this area which boils down to a number game not to mention the cost of instate out of state.

Even if they only got 1 or 2 a year each or gave scholarships to a Justin Hardy or someone like that we'd get as a preferred walk on it will have negative affect on our program. Lets just say they get 2 each which would be a small number to lose in each class, but over the course of 5 years that most players redshirt you are talking 20 players out of 85 on every roster you used to get that you don't now. Probably another few we'd get as walkons in the past that wanted to play FBS instead of take a scholarship at FCS that will now have a chance at a scholarship too.

Hopefully we got an AD now that will be a heck of a lot less friendly towards some of these area upstarts this time and I think we do.

Justin Hardy is a bad example, his only offer was Elizabeth City State. No one not even ODU saw him.

Bodenhimer, Wornick, Derrek Harris, Drake etc

There are walk on's every year that work their way on the depth chart. Those are the kind of guys I think we take the biggest hit on as all these other new schools try to fill out rosters. If we were still playing in the same conference what would have been their incentive to come to ECU when they could have played CUSA ball and had their education paid for. They'll cut into our base in several ways but Holland had set it up to be real bad.

(06-23-2013 06:35 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Bodenhimer, Wornick, Derrek Harris, Drake etc

There are walk on's every year that work their way on the depth chart. Those are the kind of guys I think we take the biggest hit on as all these other new schools try to fill out rosters. If we were still playing in the same conference what would have been their incentive to come to ECU when they could have played CUSA ball and had their education paid for. They'll cut into our base in several ways but Holland had set it up to be real bad.

Derreck Harris was an out of state JUCO transfer, that wanted to come here because of his bother. Wornick? He had what 4 good quarters of actual playing time, UAB when DD was hurt and in the Military bowl? Outside of that he was just on the roster, plus they have better QB now. Drake??? we didn't sign out of HS, he transferred from Marshall. Bodie is the only one that could be an argument over, but a limited one.

There are more FBS level recruits than spots on FBS teams. Every year FBS level players go to FCS teams, App St and ODU, JMU, Montana and many others are proof of this. The quality of recruits in 3-2 star range gets better. There are enough recruits to go around.

Then there is ECU's pipelines that run up down the east coast and through the south to Texas. I'm not worried.

The point is there are valuable walk on's like this every year not to mention they are going to beat us on real recruits we want as well and offer scholarships. If you think they aren't going to negatively affect us and would have worse if we were still in CUSA then you really don't have a clue. Holland helped motivate them to move up quicker and get to the same point we were until the BE split and that was a disastrous plan we were fortunate to get out of. Rumor is he was forced out because of it too. I said this would happen years ago when Holland started preaching his App love and getting ready to help set up as many of these FCS/Start ups around us as he could. Everyone said it was all just lip service. If he had his complete way App would be in CUSA as well with ODU and UNCC. They will all still hurt us some but thankfully not as much.