(06-26-2013 09:24 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:16 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:04 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 08:55 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 08:40 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  I think ULaLa and Arkansas State will continue to dominate the Sun Belt as they have for awhile now. North Texas actually did the league's first 4 years only last decade but according to some on this board that is considered ancient history, especially when it concerns North Texas! LOL!

HINT: We are fixin' to to start creating some up to date history soon and some of you on this board who know what our new variables now are in MG Country, ie, our 2'nd to none location, a stadium that even one SEC school is bragging about after a recent tour, and its just damn time for our winning cycle to come back again as some begin their losing cycles). Don't forget that SMU came into CUSA with almost a 20 football season losing streak and most would agree they turned their ship around.

And pleeeezzzzzz............don't encourage the TSU-Aquarena Springs Wuss'Cats getting on the CUSA board to discuss their humongous 2 year history and legacy as an NCAA FBS force.

well their "legacy" is that they have just as many wins last season over D1-A teams as north Texas state has over D1-A teams in their 18th season back in D1-A and Texas State has a win over Houston last year that then stomped north Texas state

Texas state was also able to actually have standing room only sold in their stadium for the first game ever as a D1-A program VS north Texas state that still has not sold out their new stadium in 2 season even with the two ponds and a bridge now in place

Texas state is also able to get 6 home games a season so far in D1-A while north Texas state still rolls with the 5 home games some seasons method of scheduling

Texas State has an equal athletics budget to north Texas state in their second season on D1-A vs the 18th season back in D1-A

and Texas State has recruited better so far as well for their time in D1-A vs north Texas state

so watch for it

TSU-Aquarene Springs should have stayed in the NCAA FCS Southland Conference. They have bitten off way more than they can chew long term. North Texas started out in NCAA Division One when it began in the early 50's and it didn't take a Time Magazine All American Abner Haynes-led Mean Green team to take a trip to the Sun Bowl.

What was TSU-Aqu.Sprngs doing in the 50's, 60's and 70's that they actually think they can do now? I rest my case on this matter.

well they are selling out their stadium at least once which is more than north Texas state can claim...they are winning the same number of D1-A games as north Texas state.....they have a river that people actually swim in VS two ponds that people stare at and the river has a bridge over it too

Texas State can claim a win over UH in the last 30 years.....not so for north Texas

Texas State actually advanced deep into the D1-AA playoffs which is something that powerful drop down to D1-AA north Texas state never did in 13 seasons

equal records last year with Texas State having the win over common opponent UH and equal budgets, better recruiting, and a better coach with more name recognition and a better overall history as a D1-A coach

Texas state is in as good or better shape after their first full year as a D1-A team than north Texas state is after 18 years being back in D1-A

And Texas Tech didn't bring any fans to your historic one and only sellout--probably for the rest of your lifetime for that matter? I'd say they probably had maybe 50% of the crowd that day?

North Texas is 4 W's and 4 L's all time series with Tech and I believe we actually won the last 2 out of 3 times we played so............TEXAS TECH WOULD NOT COME TO DENTON TO HELP UNT OPEN UP OUR STADIUM, EINSTEIN. AND I THINK THEY HAD AN INVITE TO DO SUCH! With the history of our series with the Red Raiders can you blame them? Try again, TodgeRodge, you cannot win this argument.

well sorry that north Texas state was not able to find a program besides UH that would come fill OUR stadium and instead of filling it on our own we relied on others to do so and they fell short...pretty powerful argument there for "success" of a program.....relying on others to fill the stands and other schools being able to schedule better opponents and ending the season with the same record of wins over D1-A teams and Texas state with a win over UH a common opponent VS a loss for north Texas state

and north Texas state is not projected to meet 45,000 students until LONG after 2020

the link below to the latest THECB enrollment projections shows north Texas state to be forecast at 39,589 in 2020 and Texas state at 37,792 in 2020

so that is pretty far off from 42-45,000 in the next few years because that is 7 years from now which is more than a few and 39,589 is not 42-45,000

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...6BaNDbYN6A

(06-26-2013 09:30 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:24 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:16 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:04 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 08:55 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  well their "legacy" is that they have just as many wins last season over D1-A teams as north Texas state has over D1-A teams in their 18th season back in D1-A and Texas State has a win over Houston last year that then stomped north Texas state

Texas state was also able to actually have standing room only sold in their stadium for the first game ever as a D1-A program VS north Texas state that still has not sold out their new stadium in 2 season even with the two ponds and a bridge now in place

Texas state is also able to get 6 home games a season so far in D1-A while north Texas state still rolls with the 5 home games some seasons method of scheduling

Texas State has an equal athletics budget to north Texas state in their second season on D1-A vs the 18th season back in D1-A

and Texas State has recruited better so far as well for their time in D1-A vs north Texas state

so watch for it

TSU-Aquarene Springs should have stayed in the NCAA FCS Southland Conference. They have bitten off way more than they can chew long term. North Texas started out in NCAA Division One when it began in the early 50's and it didn't take a Time Magazine All American Abner Haynes-led Mean Green team to take a trip to the Sun Bowl.

What was TSU-Aqu.Sprngs doing in the 50's, 60's and 70's that they actually think they can do now? I rest my case on this matter.

well they are selling out their stadium at least once which is more than north Texas state can claim...they are winning the same number of D1-A games as north Texas state.....they have a river that people actually swim in VS two ponds that people stare at and the river has a bridge over it too

Texas State can claim a win over UH in the last 30 years.....not so for north Texas

Texas State actually advanced deep into the D1-AA playoffs which is something that powerful drop down to D1-AA north Texas state never did in 13 seasons

equal records last year with Texas State having the win over common opponent UH and equal budgets, better recruiting, and a better coach with more name recognition and a better overall history as a D1-A coach

Texas state is in as good or better shape after their first full year as a D1-A team than north Texas state is after 18 years being back in D1-A

And Texas Tech didn't bring any fans to your historic one and only sellout--probably for the rest of your lifetime for that matter? I'd say they probably had maybe 50% of the crowd that day?

North Texas is 4 W's and 4 L's all time series with Texas Tech and I believe we actually won the last 2 out of 3 times we met so............TEXAS TECH WOULD NOT COME TO DENTON TO HELP UNT OPEN UP OUR STADIUM, EINSTEIN. AND I THINK THEY HAD AN INVITE TO DO SUCH! With the history of our series with the Red Raiders can you blame them? Try again, TodgeRodge, you cannot win this argument.

you already lost the argument. Yes, Texas Tech is scared of a 4 win UNT team, specially when the last time UNT won against Tech was 14 years ago. /s

And the last time TSU-S & M beat Texas Tech was? Touche!

T-R, I've booked an appointment for you with UNT Phd graduated Dr. Phil McGraw. I think he can help you get over your obsession with North Texas.

Bye now!

(06-26-2013 09:37 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:30 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:24 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:16 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:04 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  TSU-Aquarene Springs should have stayed in the NCAA FCS Southland Conference. They have bitten off way more than they can chew long term. North Texas started out in NCAA Division One when it began in the early 50's and it didn't take a Time Magazine All American Abner Haynes-led Mean Green team to take a trip to the Sun Bowl.

What was TSU-Aqu.Sprngs doing in the 50's, 60's and 70's that they actually think they can do now? I rest my case on this matter.

well they are selling out their stadium at least once which is more than north Texas state can claim...they are winning the same number of D1-A games as north Texas state.....they have a river that people actually swim in VS two ponds that people stare at and the river has a bridge over it too

Texas State can claim a win over UH in the last 30 years.....not so for north Texas

Texas State actually advanced deep into the D1-AA playoffs which is something that powerful drop down to D1-AA north Texas state never did in 13 seasons

equal records last year with Texas State having the win over common opponent UH and equal budgets, better recruiting, and a better coach with more name recognition and a better overall history as a D1-A coach

Texas state is in as good or better shape after their first full year as a D1-A team than north Texas state is after 18 years being back in D1-A

And Texas Tech didn't bring any fans to your historic one and only sellout--probably for the rest of your lifetime for that matter? I'd say they probably had maybe 50% of the crowd that day?

North Texas is 4 W's and 4 L's all time series with Texas Tech and I believe we actually won the last 2 out of 3 times we met so............TEXAS TECH WOULD NOT COME TO DENTON TO HELP UNT OPEN UP OUR STADIUM, EINSTEIN. AND I THINK THEY HAD AN INVITE TO DO SUCH! With the history of our series with the Red Raiders can you blame them? Try again, TodgeRodge, you cannot win this argument.

you already lost the argument. Yes, Texas Tech is scared of a 4 win UNT team, specially when the last time UNT won against Tech was 14 years ago. /s

And the last time TSU-S & M beat Texas Tech was? Touche!

T-R, I've booked an appointment for you with UNT Phd graduated Dr. Phil McGraw. I think he can help you get over your obsession with North Texas.

Bye now!

Tell me then, How are 14 year old wins relevant today? how come UNT fans, don't understand that no one cares what happened in 1999. The fact of the matter is, today, NOBODY is scared to play UNT

(06-26-2013 09:12 AM)49erlew Wrote:  As soon as the App fans find this, the smack board countdown clock will begin.

I don't know much about Texas State, but App has fulfilled the vast majority of their growth potential. I think that they will be a fine Sun Belt program, but I don't see them going very far beyond that... there's not a lot of room left to build up their campus or their stadium. Travel considerations also have scared quite a few conferences away, as Boone isn't exactly easy to get to. No matter how you slice it, you're at least a two-hour bus ride from the nearest major airport.

No. Don't know that we care that much about what posters say, do not see a big rush to this site.
Two hours to an airport? There are about six airports within just a few miles of Boone. Charlotte is the farthest one at about 1 1/2 hours. Tri-Cities Regional Airport is just over the state line in Tennessee. We have flown our football team in and out of Hickory (30 minutes away) or Tri-Cities for years. Expansion. It is costly for land in the mountains. We have two new research buildings that they are in the process of building a road to right now. That's pretty expensive. We have plenty of land if we have to we can expand out quite a bit. Even though the state has wanted us to increase enrollment above 20,000 App State has resisted for years.

(06-26-2013 09:45 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:12 AM)49erlew Wrote:  As soon as the App fans find this, the smack board countdown clock will begin.

I don't know much about Texas State, but App has fulfilled the vast majority of their growth potential. I think that they will be a fine Sun Belt program, but I don't see them going very far beyond that... there's not a lot of room left to build up their campus or their stadium. Travel considerations also have scared quite a few conferences away, as Boone isn't exactly easy to get to. No matter how you slice it, you're at least a two-hour bus ride from the nearest major airport.

No. Don't know that we care that much about what posters say, do not see a big rush to this site.
Two hours to an airport? There are about six airports within just a few miles of Boone. Charlotte is the farthest one at about 1 1/2 hours. Tri-Cities Regional Airport is just over the state line in Tennessee. We have flown our football team in and out of Hickory (30 minutes away) or Tri-Cities for years. Expansion. It is costly for land in the mountains. We have two new research buildings that they are in the process of building a road to right now. That's pretty expensive. We have plenty of land if we have to we can expand out quite a bit.

Those close-by airports are fine for football since those flights will be chartered, but most of the olympic sports teams will be flying into Charlotte on commercial flights. Flights to Charlotte are far more frequent with far more routes than anything else in the surrounding area.

Travel costs are never a concern for football because there are so few games and chartered flights can land anywhere as long as the runway is long enough.

And Lew, I don't see any issues with expansion of App's stadium other than the fact the proposed expansion looks terrible. The track can be removed, freeing up a lot of space. App could easily fit a 40-50,000 seat stadium there if the need arises.

(06-26-2013 09:54 AM)Niner National Wrote:  And Lew, I don't see any issues with expansion of App's stadium other than the fact the proposed expansion looks terrible. The track can be removed, freeing up a lot of space. App could easily fit a 40-50,000 seat stadium there if the need arises.

The only problem is if the town of Boone can handle that many people at once. It is already a mess with 26K or 27K.

I don't think either is going to "dominate" anyone but both are going to be strong FBS programs. Being located in fertile recruiting territory is no guarantee that you will dominate your peers in areas with less local talent. If that were true then FIU, FAU and UNT would have dominated the Sun Belt previously and programs like UAB, Tulane and Rice would not have struggled somewhat in their conferences.

Fertile recruiting territory vs. sparse talent, big metro vs. college town, large enrollment vs. smaller enrollment... there is no magic formula. All of those situations have pros and cons and it comes down to finding the right leadership, hiring the right coaches and getting the fans to buy in.

Oklahoma is not a recruiting hotbed but Tulsa has been one of the most consistent winners in CUSA. Similarly, USM has been one of the most successful programs in CUSA and they don't have a lot of the perceived advantages of a larger metro or being located in Texas or Florida.

Appalachian State...Because they kicked Michigan's ass in football in their so-called "big house"!!! Small enrollment...Huge heart!!!

(06-26-2013 11:33 AM)Matrix Wrote:  Appalachian State...Because they kicked Michigan's ass in football in their so-called "big house"!!! Small enrollment...Huge heart!!!

You realize this fall will make it six years since that. And they haven't won it all since 2007.

(06-26-2013 11:33 AM)Matrix Wrote:  Appalachian State...Because they kicked Michigan's ass in football in their so-called "big house"!!! Small enrollment...Huge heart!!!

I love how they get so much pub for winning a game 6 years ago while all the Michigan players were hungover

We play Michigan again next year.

(06-26-2013 09:45 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:12 AM)49erlew Wrote:  As soon as the App fans find this, the smack board countdown clock will begin.

I don't know much about Texas State, but App has fulfilled the vast majority of their growth potential. I think that they will be a fine Sun Belt program, but I don't see them going very far beyond that... there's not a lot of room left to build up their campus or their stadium. Travel considerations also have scared quite a few conferences away, as Boone isn't exactly easy to get to. No matter how you slice it, you're at least a two-hour bus ride from the nearest major airport.

No. Don't know that we care that much about what posters say, do not see a big rush to this site.
Two hours to an airport? There are about six airports within just a few miles of Boone. Charlotte is the farthest one at about 1 1/2 hours. Tri-Cities Regional Airport is just over the state line in Tennessee. We have flown our football team in and out of Hickory (30 minutes away) or Tri-Cities for years. Expansion. It is costly for land in the mountains. We have two new research buildings that they are in the process of building a road to right now. That's pretty expensive. We have plenty of land if we have to we can expand out quite a bit. Even though the state has wanted us to increase enrollment above 20,000 App State has resisted for years.

Are you sure about that?....Last time I left Charlotte to visit Boone it took me a solid 2+ hours and that was just a couple years ago.

(06-26-2013 10:02 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:54 AM)Niner National Wrote:  And Lew, I don't see any issues with expansion of App's stadium other than the fact the proposed expansion looks terrible. The track can be removed, freeing up a lot of space. App could easily fit a 40-50,000 seat stadium there if the need arises.

The only problem is if the town of Boone can handle that many people at once. It is already a mess with 26K or 27K.

Yea put people kill for game day environments like that. It makes it feel big time.

Oddly enough I think the fact that Texas State is in Texas where you have 1 SEC team, 4 B12 teams, 2 AAC teams and 4 CUSA teams hurts it because the top players in the state are all going to consider the higher rated conferences first. It will be like FAU/FIU with all the top recruits in FL going to the SEC, ACC then UCF/USF.

Appalachian State OTOH might be able to keep a lot of SBC/CUSA level guys in N.C. staying home, I can see Marshall particularly affected since they like to recruit down there and then the military academies in Virginia are nearby where they can tap into.

Also that so many SBC programs are in such a weak state right now (Idaho, NMSU, Ga St, USA) that should help both Tx St and App St to get established.

(06-26-2013 11:58 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  We play Michigan again next year.

The real issue at ASU is that they are in the midst of Chancellor Seach. Chancellor Peacock was a great supporter of athletics and the new person might not be oriented that way. The drive from Tri-Cities airport to Boone is pure hell. Anyone who says otherwise is a damn liar.

The easiest way in and out of Boone for a commerical airport is Greensboro - it's a little further than Charlotte, but you do not have to deal with Charlotte's traffic and depending on the time of day I-77 north toward Boone is at a standstill.

The real curiostiy will be to see how Sun Belt teams handle games in Boone after October 15. At that elevation Boone begins to get Lake Effect snow off Lake Michigan and it can be cold as the devil with wind.

You would think Texas State has more upside over the long term due to the huge population in Texas versus the number of FBS schools. App State will have to recruit against UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, East Carolina, Charlotte, Tennessee, Vandy, VT, UVa, Old Dominion, SC, Clemson, GT and UGa in the North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Virginia footprint.

As to ASU's stadium. The actual Town of Boone can not handle more than 35K within the Town during an event. The streets are not physically capable and the terrain of the mountains prevent any affordable fixes. Google the Town of Boone and you will see the geographic contrainsts on crowds.

First depends on where you are in Charlotte as to how long it takes you to get to Boone.
It can take over an hour to go across Charlotte during drive time. Charlotte-Douglas Airport is on the Boone side.
Someone mentioned going up I-77 to Boone, but I normally never do that. Take I-85 over to Gastonia and
then take Hwy 321 North directly to Boone. Is four or six lanes all the way except for about a mile or two that
they are working on. I have driven it in an hour from the airport to Boone, but put down an extra half hour because it
normally takes longer. Kingsport, Tennessee airport has several daily flights. Some to several Florida cities and Atlanta. Greensboro Airport is available.

Didn't read thread...Texas State hands down.

(06-26-2013 07:47 AM)THE TERMINATOR Wrote:  As long as Arky state, ULALA and Troy are in the belt they won't dominate. There is another program joining the Belt that will have an impact as well as Tx. State and Appy State and that would be Georgia Southern.

Ulala?

sounds like a musical instrument

I predict that, provided it continues its facilities improvements, within ten years Texas State will not only surpass its Sun Belt brethren but will also leapfrog North Texas and UTSA to become the next Texas invitee to either the AAC or the MWC. Why?

-- The huge and expanding enrollment (already 35,000-plus) will generate sufficient fees to maintain a respectable athletic budget.
-- The surrounding area is highly populated, growing rapidly and packed with football talent.
-- The campus, the dorms and the environs fit the traditional "college town" model.
-- The physical setting is attractive with convenient access to outdoor recreation.
-- Academics are respectable but admission standards aren't highly restrictive.
-- The brand is intrinsically appealing.
-- The Sun Belt as a whole is well-positioned to surpass CUSA in football competitiveness.

I think all of the above factors taken together put Texas State in a strong position to out-recruit the other non-P5 schools in Texas. The impact won't be immediately apparent but a few years down the road I expect to see the Bobcats emerge as the most desirable expansion target for the top Go5 conferences.

(06-26-2013 01:28 AM)10miners Wrote:  I think App State and texas state will dominate the sun belt in football . Those 2 schools are ust ready to blow up. Both of them are in good recruiting locations and Texas St is already beating utep for some recruits in football.Now that they are D1 ,they should get some quality players I think.

I don't know much about App State . All I know is they had that upset against Michigan which put them on the map. Maybe some of the fans from that area could shed some light on them. Do you think they will affect your recruiting??

Neither. The answer is Georgia Southern

No disrespect to either Texas State or App State as I think they will competing for Sun Belt championships in two to four years, but the greatest potential lies in Statesboro, Georgia.

The state of Georgia consistently produces the 4th largest number of FBS recruits in the nation. Georgia Southern is now the 4th FBS school in Georgia and will walk into FBS as the third best football team in the state because Georgia State is not very good and just joined FBS themselves.

For those geographically challenged, the City of Atlanta is in North Georgia and Georgia Southern is the only Georgia FBS school south of Atlanta. A good number of 2 star and lower ranked 3 star recruits that live in small southern Georgia towns may be attracted to playing in Statesboro, which is a small town about 50 minutes away from historic Savannah, Georgia.

Georgia Southern is known as a party school with a good academic reputation and the female talent is abundant.

The sky is the limit for Georgia Southern, in my opinion.

(06-26-2013 07:48 AM)MG61 Wrote:  Why is there an interest in who will or won't do well in the Sun Belt ?

Why not?