Omaha is a fine city.

(07-02-2013 07:07 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Omaha is a fine city.

Yup. And they love their Jays. It's the best fit.

(07-01-2013 08:27 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

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(07-01-2013 02:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

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(07-01-2013 02:10 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  But what's that opinion even worth? It's just quibbling over what sounds like what made the most sense. This thing was all over the place, and there was a time when it seemed like the C7 presidents had their plan, and then a point where the network partner had theirs. Especially when Dayton's factored...they went from #8 to...12-14?

That doesn't sound like good instinct. In fact, to those on the A10 side, while a lot of people suspected Xavier and Butler were history, there were those who thought by getting Butler, Xavier (and Butler) were happy enough to stay in the A10 (at least for Butler's sake...what they would pay in buyouts and fees, etc.). And maybe that's where Dayton's candidacy was strengthened. A lot of speculation...

With Creighton, it sounded like a chance encounter between their people and Marquette's. And Marquette smelled a winner...a school that is rabid about its team, and one that outdraws many of its future conference-mates. Win-win.

Dayton was never considered the first team in. Butler beating Indiana the same weekend all but assured them of that spot. Xavier was also considered a lock from day one. 10 or 12 were always the only options, anything saying more or less than that was never a real option.

Don't overestimate the impact of a single regular season game. Butler could have crapped the bed in that game and, with back-to-back Final Fours, it wouldn't have made any difference. XAvier had a down year, it's not like anyone raised that as an objection.

Well my point was just that the day after they announced they were leaving Butler beat the #1 team in the country on national TV. Their past accomplishments got them in, but that game really solidified them in everyones minds as the #1 team to add. You know everyone in the C7 at the very least saw the outcome of that game and said "wow".

True, but Xavier is the school that's been on the radar for ten years as the target addition in the event of a split between football and basketball in the Big East. Butler actually duplicates Notre Dame in the Indianapolis TV market (ND does local team level ratings in Indy and Chicago), so until ND left, Butler was not a priority.

As long as Brad Stevens stays at Butler, they'll be relevant. Stevens became Butler's head basketball coach in 2007, and won 30 games in his first season. He led Butler to the 2010 National Championship game (61-59 loss to Duke), and again the following year (53-41 loss to UConn). In his first 4 years at Butler, he led them to 2 Final Fours, and 2 National Championship games (losing both). He's since had 22-15 (2nd round CBI: 68-62 OT loss to Pitt[/i]) and 27-9 (2nd round NCAA: 74-72 loss to Marquette) records. He needs prove he can recruit the players who'll sustain Butler's success in Big East play...

Butler's location gives them coverage in both Indianapolis and Chicago markets. If they're good, people will watch...

(07-02-2013 12:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 08:27 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 02:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 02:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 02:18 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Dayton was never considered the first team in. Butler beating Indiana the same weekend all but assured them of that spot. Xavier was also considered a lock from day one. 10 or 12 were always the only options, anything saying more or less than that was never a real option.

Don't overestimate the impact of a single regular season game. Butler could have crapped the bed in that game and, with back-to-back Final Fours, it wouldn't have made any difference. XAvier had a down year, it's not like anyone raised that as an objection.

Well my point was just that the day after they announced they were leaving Butler beat the #1 team in the country on national TV. Their past accomplishments got them in, but that game really solidified them in everyones minds as the #1 team to add. You know everyone in the C7 at the very least saw the outcome of that game and said "wow".

True, but Xavier is the school that's been on the radar for ten years as the target addition in the event of a split between football and basketball in the Big East. Butler actually duplicates Notre Dame in the Indianapolis TV market (ND does local team level ratings in Indy and Chicago), so until ND left, Butler was not a priority.

As long as Brad Stevens stays at Butler, they'll be relevant. Stevens became Butler's head basketball coach in 2007, and won 30 games in his first season. He led Butler to the 2010 National Championship game (61-59 loss to Duke), and again the following year (53-41 loss to UConn). In his first 4 years at Butler, he led them to 2 Final Fours, and 2 National Championship games (losing both). He's since had 22-15 (2nd round CBI: 68-62 OT loss to Pitt[/i]) and 27-9 (2nd round NCAA: 74-72 loss to Marquette) records. He needs prove he can recruit the players who'll sustain Butler's success in Big East play...

Butler's location gives them coverage in both Indianapolis and Chicago markets. If they're good, people will watch...

Coach Stevens has moved on. As much as I don't like Butler, it doesn't change the fact they're a great fit.

The Creighton story underlines a factor not much discussed in realignment, at least not directly. Relationships matter. Indirectly the AAU status is partly relationships. But if the Creighton AD didn't know any of the Big East presidents, there's a good chance someone else was #10.

(07-07-2013 08:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  The Creighton story underlines a factor not much discussed in realignment, at least not directly. Relationships matter. Indirectly the AAU status is partly relationships. But if the Creighton AD didn't know any of the Big East presidents, there's a good chance someone else was #10.

Well I think the President of Creighton sitting on the board at Marquette was a much more important relationship. haha

(07-07-2013 07:24 PM)LouPower Wrote:  

(07-02-2013 12:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 08:27 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 02:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 02:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Don't overestimate the impact of a single regular season game. Butler could have crapped the bed in that game and, with back-to-back Final Fours, it wouldn't have made any difference. XAvier had a down year, it's not like anyone raised that as an objection.

Well my point was just that the day after they announced they were leaving Butler beat the #1 team in the country on national TV. Their past accomplishments got them in, but that game really solidified them in everyones minds as the #1 team to add. You know everyone in the C7 at the very least saw the outcome of that game and said "wow".

True, but Xavier is the school that's been on the radar for ten years as the target addition in the event of a split between football and basketball in the Big East. Butler actually duplicates Notre Dame in the Indianapolis TV market (ND does local team level ratings in Indy and Chicago), so until ND left, Butler was not a priority.

As long as Brad Stevens stays at Butler, they'll be relevant. Stevens became Butler's head basketball coach in 2007, and won 30 games in his first season. He led Butler to the 2010 National Championship game (61-59 loss to Duke), and again the following year (53-41 loss to UConn). In his first 4 years at Butler, he led them to 2 Final Fours, and 2 National Championship games (losing both). He's since had 22-15 (2nd round CBI: 68-62 OT loss to Pitt[/i]) and 27-9 (2nd round NCAA: 74-72 loss to Marquette) records. He needs prove he can recruit the players who'll sustain Butler's success in Big East play...

Butler's location gives them coverage in both Indianapolis and Chicago markets. If they're good, people will watch...

Coach Stevens has moved on. As much as I don't like Butler, it doesn't change the fact they're a great fit.

I noticed that myself. It wasn't long after I made that post that the announcement that Stevens had agreed to terms with the Celtics was made. Talk about perfect timing...

(07-07-2013 08:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 08:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  The Creighton story underlines a factor not much discussed in realignment, at least not directly. Relationships matter. Indirectly the AAU status is partly relationships. But if the Creighton AD didn't know any of the Big East presidents, there's a good chance someone else was #10.

Well I think the President of Creighton sitting on the board at Marquette was a much more important relationship. haha

And being a classmate with DePaul's President at Harvard. Also having the daughter of Seton Halls President as a current student. Also being academically Ranked 1st in their Region. Also recent success in basketball and going to be ranked in the top 25 this upcoming season. Strike while the Irons hot.

Fr Lannon wasn't even aware that Dr Esteban's daughter was attending CU. LOL but he certainly should be applauded for his proactive approach.

From the article:

"Lannon made a round of calls to the Catholic 7 presidents just to make sure they were aware of Creighton's interest.

He phoned DePaul's Holtschneider, talking up the success of CU's basketball program and the energy of its fan base. The two men knew each other well, having gotten their doctorates together at Harvard.

Lannon was less familiar with other presidents. In fact, he was a little embarrassed to discover that the president of Seton Hall had a daughter who was a first-year medical student at Creighton. Shame on us for not knowing that, Lannon said. He checked to make sure she was doing OK."