(07-04-2013 08:58 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 07:42 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I don't think the remorse is about taking Louisville instead of WVU, I think it is about taking Louisville as well as WVU. That means someone else would have had to be taken though.

Personally for me, I don't think they need three teams in that area. I think a program like USF down in Florida has more upside for the Big 12 than Cinci does. Some success in the Big 12 would then put them on the same level as the other Florida schools.

That would work too...if anyone goes to 16 (looking at you ACC or B1G) then the B12 might be boxed out for a long time.

The B12 taking USF/UCF would be a nice counter move. I know these P5 conferences are going to want to fill in gaps...I see 16 teams coming within 5 years.

Sixteen is real difficult right now. These conferences will have to be given some seriously large figures by the Networks in order to expand downwards further into the pool of Mid-Majors.

You are probably right about the five year period but how we get there, is still too much up in the air. Some big things need to happen first.

The comments by the Longhorn folks is very telling though. Trying to say they were supportive of Louisville getting in? Either they are saying they were supportive of Louisville being paired up with FSU/Notre Dame or they are covering their tracks because they realize their past policy of just sitting back only causes them to miss out.

If anything, the ACC is aggressive. The conference will act aggressively to survive and be one of the last conferences standing at the top. If the Big 12 continues with how they have been previously acting in regards to expansion, I don't see how they end up at that table when it's all over.

Perhaps now Texas realizes how much of a folly their policy has been in the past. Either they are purposefully holding back expansion so that getting out of the Big 12 is easier or they are a bunch of blundering idiots that are watching the bus pass them by.

(07-04-2013 09:35 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 08:58 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 07:42 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I don't think the remorse is about taking Louisville instead of WVU, I think it is about taking Louisville as well as WVU. That means someone else would have had to be taken though.

Personally for me, I don't think they need three teams in that area. I think a program like USF down in Florida has more upside for the Big 12 than Cinci does. Some success in the Big 12 would then put them on the same level as the other Florida schools.

That would work too...if anyone goes to 16 (looking at you ACC or B1G) then the B12 might be boxed out for a long time.

The B12 taking USF/UCF would be a nice counter move. I know these P5 conferences are going to want to fill in gaps...I see 16 teams coming within 5 years.

Sixteen is real difficult right now. These conferences will have to be given some seriously large figures by the Networks in order to expand downwards further into the pool of Mid-Majors.

You are probably right about the five year period but how we get there, is still too much up in the air. Some big things need to happen first.

The comments by the Longhorn folks is very telling though. Trying to say they were supportive of Louisville getting in? Either they are saying they were supportive of Louisville being paired up with FSU/Notre Dame or they are covering their tracks because they realize their past policy of just sitting back only causes them to miss out.

If anything, the ACC is aggressive. The conference will act aggressively to survive and be one of the last conferences standing at the top. If the Big 12 continues with how they have been previously acting in regards to expansion, I don't see how they end up at that table when it's all over.

Perhaps now Texas realizes how much of a folly their policy has been in the past. Either they are purposefully holding back expansion so that getting out of the Big 12 is easier or they are a bunch of blundering idiots that are watching the bus pass them by.

B.Y.U., Cincinnati, and to a lesser extent Connecticut are the only schools left out there that move a needle and that only slightly. So He1nous that is yet another reason that Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Texas Tech are looking so much more attractive.

I don't think any of the top 64 want to go to 80. They might go to a number in between 64 & 72 inclusive of 72 at the outer range.

That is why I still think the Big 12 is on the menu. Obviously Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas are attractive to all of the conferences. West Virginia has value for perhaps two. Then as markets go the state schools named above offer competitiveness, decent attendance at events, and new markets to the conferences that don't have their big brothers.

T.C.U. and Baylor are not without strong points over the remainder of the field either.

The best way for this to end is in a brokered deal with some compromise on behalf of the Big 10 and SEC towards the PAC. The ACC is almost set and has several options to 16 either including or not including Notre Dame as a full member.

Anyway they've got plenty of time to work it out prior to the expiration/renewal period for the GOR if that's what they want to do.

(07-04-2013 01:48 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I'll say it again and again, Louisville fans will never get over the fact they got rejected by the Big XII. I completely understand, rejection is hard to swallow by most human beings and that rejection will sting for a long time even though the ACC is the "best thing" that ever happened to Louisville according to its fans. It's too early to tell what league got it right but five years from now it will be a good metric to say which league got the best school.

I don't think it is Big 12 specific. I think the general "lack of value" that the major conferences showed Louisville (up until the ACC took us) is what Louisville fans hold on to. The Big 12 story is the easiest framework in which to see this case but I don't think Louisville fans hold on to any hate for the Big 12.

(07-04-2013 10:04 AM)ULdave Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 01:48 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I'll say it again and again, Louisville fans will never get over the fact they got rejected by the Big XII. I completely understand, rejection is hard to swallow by most human beings and that rejection will sting for a long time even though the ACC is the "best thing" that ever happened to Louisville according to its fans. It's too early to tell what league got it right but five years from now it will be a good metric to say which league got the best school.

I don't think it is Big 12 specific. I think the general "lack of value" that the major conferences showed Louisville (up until the ACC took us) is what Louisville fans hold on to. The Big 12 story is the easiest framework in which to see this case but I don't think Louisville fans hold on to any hate for the Big 12.

You have some that hold a "grudge" against Dodds...but that is countered by the absolute giddiness bout going 2 the ACC...

(07-04-2013 03:32 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 02:29 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 01:48 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  It's widely known here in Dallas OU wanted Louisville and Bevo wanted West Virginia but at the end of the day even if those two wanted Louisville, WVU or both, it was the TV networks that said WVU brought more value to the Big XII. Louisville wasn't too far removed from the Kragthorpe (sp?) years and WVU was the best and highest profile football program in the Big East so I'm sure that played a big factor for the networks in choosing WVU over UL.

I'll say it again and again, Louisville fans will never get over the fact they got rejected by the Big XII. I completely understand, rejection is hard to swallow by most human beings and that rejection will sting for a long time even though the ACC is the "best thing" that ever happened to Louisville according to its fans. It's too early to tell what league got it right but five years from now it will be a good metric to say which league got the best school.

Actually we are over it....trust me...and for our needs while @ the time in 2011 we wanted in the Big XII this in regards to Academic Profile for the school, Football Competitivenes & Natural Recruiting Base, Basketball and flat out accessibility to games makes the Big XII Rejection a Delayed Blessing for Louisville.

Football it is to our advantage because it made us a bigger player in our recruiting areas of Georgia & especially Florida. Also you might not know this we are much more familar with FSU, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt & Notre Dame for the simple readon we have been in conferences with each of those schools. As of right now not one league could pry us out of the ACC...not even the B1G or SEC...the fan base prefers the ACC but more importantly our President has ties to both Duke & UNC.

While we are a decent Football school our bread and butter is hoops...it is much better to play UNC, Syracuse, Duke, Pitt, ND & NC State then in regards in the Big XII with just KU. In Football it is easier to be very competitive and the overall Bowl Lineup is more attractive for Louisville fans then the Big XII Bowls. Nothing wrong with the Big XII Bowls just.from our perspective more attractive destinations & easier to reach.

We are just laughing about the remorse articles coming out of the Big XII now...this one we knew OU wanted us...but what Dodds said is laughable.

I'm not disagreeing with you (except the part where not even the B1G or SEC could pry you out of the ACC). But that's the impression I get from some Louisville fans whether it's correct or not.

It's like the hot chick (Louisville) who got rejected by a guy on a date. That guy (Big XII) marries another hot girl (WVU) and moves on. So does the rejected hot chick and eventually she marries a nice guy with a good paying job and lives in a nice house in a wealthy neighborhood (ACC). The other guy and his trophy wife live in the same wealthy neighborhood and sometimes that guy wonders what if he had married her (UL) instead of his wife (WVU) but that doesn't necessarily means he made a mistake. It just one of those "what if" scenarios we all have but not one of doubt. OTOH, that hot chick (UL) makes sure she tells everyone (message boards) how happy her life is and how great her husband is and how she was lucky she married him (ACC) instead of the other guy (Big XII) and how he screwed himself by marrying the other girl (WVU), etc, etc, etc. Probably that's the case and she means it but she comes across as being either insecure and that's the reason for all the bragging or maybe she never got over the fact that guy (Big XII) rejected her in the first place because at that time he got other or perhaps better options. Most people around her think it's the latter not the former even thought she will never admit it.

That's how I see Louisville, West Virginia, the Big XII and the ACC. But at the end of the day, everybody is happy where they're at, right? Except if you're in the MWC, C-USA, MAC, AAC and Sun Belt.

Actually, the analogy I would draw is that Louisville was always the girl down the street with a cute personality and okay figure but who also had a slightly jacked up grill, and those things held her back.

Well, over time she got into great shape, got her nosed fixed, got some orthodontal work done and came out of things looking SMOKING hot. She's not perfect by any means. She's still not the sharpest knife in the drawer but she's not stupid either and she is back in school and committed to earning her degree.

West Virginia was an okay looking girl who was long been a party girl and was always DTF and would let you stick that thing anywhere you wanted. She has a couple of kids already from previous relationships and can be a little psychotic but when she's on her meds she can be a lot of fun, if a little batschitt crazy at times.

The B12 opted for the slutty girl and so far everyone is happy. Let's see if that remains the case 10-20 years from now?

Objections or no objections from the powerless B12 North schools, the B12 should have taken the long term view instead of the short term strategy they opted for. They should have taken the Ohio Valley triumvirate of West Virginia, Louisville and Cincinnati and called it a day. Instead they got greedy and tried to wait for Clemson, Florida State, etc.

If everyone needs to play games in Texas for recruiting's sake, then dimply don't align the divisions geographically. That would not have been a remotely difficult adjustment for everyone to make. Also, put Oklahoma and Texas in opposite divisions but obviously keep the Red River Rivalry.

Here is one alignment I came up with after thinking about it for approximately 10 seconds.

B12 A / B (permanent rival)
Oklahoma / Texas
Oklahoma State / Iowa State
West Virginia / Texas Tech
Baylor / Texas Christian
Louisville / Cincinnati
Kansas / Kansas State

The B12 definitely miscalculated here and there's no two ways about it. That's all Castiglione is saying and frankly, it's impossible to disagree with his analysis.

The real question to me is why West Virginia didn't take advantage of its unique leverage and insist to the B12 that they be able to take two partners with them? They are the ones who lost the most, IMHO when the ACC chose Louisville and then signed its GOR.

(07-04-2013 02:35 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  The real question to me is why West Virginia didn't take advantage of its unique leverage and insist to the B12 that they be able to take two partners with them? They are the ones who lost the most, IMHO when the ACC chose Louisville and then signed its GOR.

A. Because they were so happy to get out of the Big East that Oliver Luck didn't push for, or even consider, making demands on who might go with them.

B. Because the additions of West Virginia and T.C.U. were just temporary measures to maintain what was then the current contracted television revenue for the Big 12 and Texas and Oklahoma wanted to keep their options open ended. 10 teams accomplished that and they didn't want the responsibility of more.

Uhm... I'll take "B".

And, your assessment of what it means for W.V.U. is dead on the money.

(07-04-2013 02:35 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  West Virginia was an okay looking girl who was long been a party girl and was always DTF and would let you stick that thing anywhere you wanted.

(07-03-2013 10:55 AM)jam2112 Wrote:  Maybe the ACC takes West Virginia...

Uh no, the ACC would never take WVU......

(07-04-2013 02:35 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  West Virginia was an okay looking girl who was long been a party girl and was always DTF and would let you stick that thing anywhere you wanted.

WVU wanted out of The BEast. All our rivals had already left, or were about to...

(07-04-2013 05:48 PM)Otacon Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 10:55 AM)jam2112 Wrote:  Maybe the ACC takes West Virginia...

Uh no, the ACC would never take WVU......

I know a lot of people believe that, and it may be true, but would be good for the ACC and West Virginia. Too much travel for WVU. Eastern rivalries would work out better also. ACC schools would enjoy the location and rivalries with WVU.

(07-04-2013 05:48 PM)Otacon Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 10:55 AM)jam2112 Wrote:  Maybe the ACC takes West Virginia...

Uh no, the ACC would never take WVU......

Never say never. I didn't think Louisville would get invited either. I am thrilled to be wrong. With apologies to the UConn fans, if the ACC goes to 16 + ND, I would think WVU and Cinci would round out the conference best. WVU has a ton of history with Pitt, Cuse, and VT. Cinci brings a better mix of recruiting area and all around athletics. UConn brings better academics, and an alumni base in the NYC area. If Kevin Ollie turns out to be the second coming of Jim Calhoun, the comment about UC bringing better athletics may not be valid. Right now, Ollie has to prove himself. Those are mighty big shoes he is trying to fill. With the $2 billion the state is investing in UConn, it seems to me they are angling for a B1G invite down the line.

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(07-04-2013 03:32 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I'll say it again and again, Louisville fans will never get over the fact they got rejected by the Big XII. I completely understand, rejection is hard to swallow by most human beings and that rejection will sting for a long time even though the ACC is the "best thing" that ever happened to Louisville according to its fans. It's too early to tell what league got it right but five years from now it will be a good metric to say which league got the best school.

If by "never get over" it you mean "will be eternally grateful that we got rejected," then you are 100% correct. There's not a UofL fan alive who would prefer the Big 12 to the ACC, and the idea that we might end up in the Big 12 was causing division within the fan base. We have never been more united than now that we're headed east and not west.

Nothing against anybody in the Big 12. We just don't belong there and we knew it all along. We just didn't want to be left standing when the music stopped.

(07-03-2013 10:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 09:55 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  you're funny although I don't think you're doing it on purpose though

BYU football championships: 1

UNLV basketball championships: 1

WVU football championships: 0

WVU basketball championships: 0

hardy har har

using your analogy, Minnesota is a better football program than WVU since they have won a national championship and UTEP is a better basketball program since they've won a national championship

hardy har har

(07-04-2013 05:48 PM)Otacon Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 10:55 AM)jam2112 Wrote:  Maybe the ACC takes West Virginia...

Uh no, the ACC would never take WVU......

I guess the real question is who does the ACC hate less...WVU or UCONN?
If Louisville got that Big 12 invite a year and a half ago, who does the ACC add to replace Maryland?

Maybe they take the lesser of all evils and go with Cincy!?

(07-03-2013 09:49 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 09:42 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 09:38 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I think Louisville was thought of by the XII as a school they believed would be available to them forever and all the XII had to do was find a 12th (or more) to go with them. That's why I think there's some "remorse" articles coming out now. If OU and Texas truly wanted Louisville over WVU, they would have been invited to the conference ahead of WVU. I think these articles coming out now are nice for Louisville's image, but are really indicative of nothing more than Louisville being a clear #11 for them.

I agree I think they thought Louisville would be there as the obvious 11 for a while until they could agree on who 12 would be. No one really foresaw the Rutgers/Maryland moves. Had those not happened maybe BYU would have greatly softened their demands and it would have been UL and BYU 11 and 12, but it's pretty clear that the B12 doesn't currently have enough support to add 2 more members of what's available.

UL and BYU would have been a perfect 11 and 12. BYU was the first school the B12 looked at before settling on TCU, in large part due to BYU's difficult demands. It could have seen BYU as football only, thereby eliminating a variety of scheduling headaches. UL would have been a perfect "bridge" to WVU, uniting the conference geographically and bringing one of the best athletic programs in the country. However, the B12 was indecisive about going to 12. Now Cincinnati appears to be the only alternative to take the slot that could have gone to UL.

The real edge that WVU had over UL for the tenth slot was its willingness to shoot its way out of the Big East. The B12 needed someone to start immediately so that it could fulfill its television commitments. UL was not willing to aggressively attack the Big East the way WVU was. They probably figured that an invite to be number 11 would come in due time.

How would BYU be perfect? BYU from the start has refused to part with it's TV network and has repeatedly stated they do not want to join the Big 12. If they join any league, I'm guessing it would be the PAC 12.

Cincinnati would be a much better choice over BYU. IT would allow the Big 12 access to Ohio and it's 110 plus division one recruits each year, allow access into the Ohio TV market dominated by Ohio State, Cincinnati would be a willing partner not going into the league with regrets like BYU. Cincinnati has won more football and basketball games, and more football league titles than BYU in the last five years. Not to mention, Cincinnati basketball is much more established as a winning, NCAA tourney program than BYU.

I think the Big 12 will expand in the next two years or be robbed of a couple schools. At either note, they will look towards Cincinnati. I also think that behind the scenes, Cincinnati is angling for a BIG invite. Consider it this way. Many states surrounding Ohio already have two schools, Illinois has two schools including Northwestern and Illinois, Indiana has two schools including Purdue and Indiana, Michigan has two schools including Michigian State and Michigan and the only reason Ohio does not have two schools is Ohio State dominance in every area throughout Ohio football. Cincinnati is the second largest school in Ohio in enrollment and just about every other area academically. Cincinnati could be swooped up by another conference, a conference that BIG or Ohio State may not want in the state (for instance would it not be better to have Cincinnati in BIG rather than another conference like the ACC or Big 12?) Does Cincinnati pose a threat to BIG TV markets if it joins another league. Not to mention with the exception of the AAU status, Cincinnati academically is on par with many BIG institutions in the areas of enrollment, research and research revenues and would be in the middle of the pack on BIG academically. The only area in which Cincinnati would be behind is the small football stadium. That is changing. Cincinnati also has it's eyes on the AAU and gained 17 points in the last US News rating, the largest gain of any state institution in the country. I would imagine that this trend will continue. I see it as a dog fight for a BIG invite between Cincinnati and UConn.

I actually hope Cincinnati gets nowhere near the ACC. I don't want to compete in the south and don't want to be in a league with Notre Dame again. With Notre Dame taking bowl priorities and keeping all of it's bowl money for itself lends me to believe the school is running over everyone in the ACC. Somehow the league and it's members have been convinced Notre Dame will help the league. Not sure how that will happen with ND keeping all the bowl money and taking bowl games over other ACC schools. I want no part of the ACC.

You know good and well that Notre Dame with their agreement with the ACC share all Non CFP Bowl Money-(Capitol One Bowl, Gator Bowl/Music City Bowl, Russell Athletic Bowl, Sun Bowl etc, etc) with the other league members. They only keep the Orange Bowl-(in a completely separate deal with the Orange Bowl that takes no $$$ out of the ACC Pocket) or if they make the Playoffs or earns access to the Peach Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or Cotton Bowl that they keep that Bowl Revenue.

But you can keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better...

The ACC was the end game for the Louisville administration from the moment realignment started in 2003 with Miami and Virginia Tech leaving The Big East. Dr. Ramsey joined UofL in 2002 with experience of working at UNC as a vice chancellor. While Jurich worked to improve athletics, Ramsey worked on academics. Jurich professed Louisville's desire to join The Big East while UofL was a member of CUSA.

Once Louisville joined The Big East UofL was content until Pitt and Syracuse left. In August 2011 when rumors that The Big 12 was interested in Louisville, Jurich kindly said "Thanks but No Thanks" to The Big 12. Once Syracuse and Pitt left Jurich went back to The Big 12 but it was too late WVU was in the picture. That's where everything stood until Maryland announced they were leaving The ACC. Apart from an occasional phone call to his long time friend Kevin White at Duke, there was little to no communication with The ACC.

While Jurich was working athletics, Ramsey pushed academic improvements. He increased standards for in coming freshman three times since joining UofL. Beginning in 2011 all incoming freshman had to live on campus unless they were married of lived with parents. Ramsey also stayed in touch with his friends at UNC. When Georgia canceled the Louisville game, ESPN put together the UNC game. That game gave Ramsey an opportunity to show off UofL to his old friends from UNC.

Keep in mind that Jurich didn't even know The ACC would have an opening until Pat Forde called him and asked him to comment about it on the Saturday morning before Thanksgiving. After Forde called Jurich went to work. He immediately called an athletics meeting and they didn't stop working until the Wednesday after Thanksgiving.

Make no mistake, if The Big 12 had invited UofL, they would have accepted the invite after Syracuse and Pitt left The Big East. Louisville would have gladly accepted a Big 12 invite and be ecstatic to get it. With it working out that Louisville got an ACC invite, Louisville, the university, the city, the fans are excited beyond excited. Louisville would never consider leaving The ACC.
CJ

(07-05-2013 04:50 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 09:49 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 09:42 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 09:38 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I think Louisville was thought of by the XII as a school they believed would be available to them forever and all the XII had to do was find a 12th (or more) to go with them. That's why I think there's some "remorse" articles coming out now. If OU and Texas truly wanted Louisville over WVU, they would have been invited to the conference ahead of WVU. I think these articles coming out now are nice for Louisville's image, but are really indicative of nothing more than Louisville being a clear #11 for them.

I agree I think they thought Louisville would be there as the obvious 11 for a while until they could agree on who 12 would be. No one really foresaw the Rutgers/Maryland moves. Had those not happened maybe BYU would have greatly softened their demands and it would have been UL and BYU 11 and 12, but it's pretty clear that the B12 doesn't currently have enough support to add 2 more members of what's available.

UL and BYU would have been a perfect 11 and 12. BYU was the first school the B12 looked at before settling on TCU, in large part due to BYU's difficult demands. It could have seen BYU as football only, thereby eliminating a variety of scheduling headaches. UL would have been a perfect "bridge" to WVU, uniting the conference geographically and bringing one of the best athletic programs in the country. However, the B12 was indecisive about going to 12. Now Cincinnati appears to be the only alternative to take the slot that could have gone to UL.

The real edge that WVU had over UL for the tenth slot was its willingness to shoot its way out of the Big East. The B12 needed someone to start immediately so that it could fulfill its television commitments. UL was not willing to aggressively attack the Big East the way WVU was. They probably figured that an invite to be number 11 would come in due time.

How would BYU be perfect? BYU from the start has refused to part with it's TV network and has repeatedly stated they do not want to join the Big 12. If they join any league, I'm guessing it would be the PAC 12.

Cincinnati would be a much better choice over BYU. IT would allow the Big 12 access to Ohio and it's 110 plus division one recruits each year, allow access into the Ohio TV market dominated by Ohio State, Cincinnati would be a willing partner not going into the league with regrets like BYU. Cincinnati has won more football and basketball games, and more football league titles than BYU in the last five years. Not to mention, Cincinnati basketball is much more established as a winning, NCAA tourney program than BYU.

I think the Big 12 will expand in the next two years or be robbed of a couple schools. At either note, they will look towards Cincinnati. I also think that behind the scenes, Cincinnati is angling for a BIG invite. Consider it this way. Many states surrounding Ohio already have two schools, Illinois has two schools including Northwestern and Illinois, Indiana has two schools including Purdue and Indiana, Michigan has two schools including Michigian State and Michigan and the only reason Ohio does not have two schools is Ohio State dominance in every area throughout Ohio football. Cincinnati is the second largest school in Ohio in enrollment and just about every other area academically. Cincinnati could be swooped up by another conference, a conference that BIG or Ohio State may not want in the state (for instance would it not be better to have Cincinnati in BIG rather than another conference like the ACC or Big 12?) Does Cincinnati pose a threat to BIG TV markets if it joins another league. Not to mention with the exception of the AAU status, Cincinnati academically is on par with many BIG institutions in the areas of enrollment, research and research revenues and would be in the middle of the pack on BIG academically. The only area in which Cincinnati would be behind is the small football stadium. That is changing. Cincinnati also has it's eyes on the AAU and gained 17 points in the last US News rating, the largest gain of any state institution in the country. I would imagine that this trend will continue. I see it as a dog fight for a BIG invite between Cincinnati and UConn.

I actually hope Cincinnati gets nowhere near the ACC. I don't want to compete in the south and don't want to be in a league with Notre Dame again. With Notre Dame taking bowl priorities and keeping all of it's bowl money for itself lends me to believe the school is running over everyone in the ACC. Somehow the league and it's members have been convinced Notre Dame will help the league. Not sure how that will happen with ND keeping all the bowl money and taking bowl games over other ACC schools. I want no part of the ACC.

Wow. Really? Really?

(07-04-2013 02:35 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 03:32 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 02:29 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-04-2013 01:48 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  It's widely known here in Dallas OU wanted Louisville and Bevo wanted West Virginia but at the end of the day even if those two wanted Louisville, WVU or both, it was the TV networks that said WVU brought more value to the Big XII. Louisville wasn't too far removed from the Kragthorpe (sp?) years and WVU was the best and highest profile football program in the Big East so I'm sure that played a big factor for the networks in choosing WVU over UL.

I'll say it again and again, Louisville fans will never get over the fact they got rejected by the Big XII. I completely understand, rejection is hard to swallow by most human beings and that rejection will sting for a long time even though the ACC is the "best thing" that ever happened to Louisville according to its fans. It's too early to tell what league got it right but five years from now it will be a good metric to say which league got the best school.

Actually we are over it....trust me...and for our needs while @ the time in 2011 we wanted in the Big XII this in regards to Academic Profile for the school, Football Competitivenes & Natural Recruiting Base, Basketball and flat out accessibility to games makes the Big XII Rejection a Delayed Blessing for Louisville.

Football it is to our advantage because it made us a bigger player in our recruiting areas of Georgia & especially Florida. Also you might not know this we are much more familar with FSU, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt & Notre Dame for the simple readon we have been in conferences with each of those schools. As of right now not one league could pry us out of the ACC...not even the B1G or SEC...the fan base prefers the ACC but more importantly our President has ties to both Duke & UNC.

While we are a decent Football school our bread and butter is hoops...it is much better to play UNC, Syracuse, Duke, Pitt, ND & NC State then in regards in the Big XII with just KU. In Football it is easier to be very competitive and the overall Bowl Lineup is more attractive for Louisville fans then the Big XII Bowls. Nothing wrong with the Big XII Bowls just.from our perspective more attractive destinations & easier to reach.

We are just laughing about the remorse articles coming out of the Big XII now...this one we knew OU wanted us...but what Dodds said is laughable.

I'm not disagreeing with you (except the part where not even the B1G or SEC could pry you out of the ACC). But that's the impression I get from some Louisville fans whether it's correct or not.

It's like the hot chick (Louisville) who got rejected by a guy on a date. That guy (Big XII) marries another hot girl (WVU) and moves on. So does the rejected hot chick and eventually she marries a nice guy with a good paying job and lives in a nice house in a wealthy neighborhood (ACC). The other guy and his trophy wife live in the same wealthy neighborhood and sometimes that guy wonders what if he had married her (UL) instead of his wife (WVU) but that doesn't necessarily means he made a mistake. It just one of those "what if" scenarios we all have but not one of doubt. OTOH, that hot chick (UL) makes sure she tells everyone (message boards) how happy her life is and how great her husband is and how she was lucky she married him (ACC) instead of the other guy (Big XII) and how he screwed himself by marrying the other girl (WVU), etc, etc, etc. Probably that's the case and she means it but she comes across as being either insecure and that's the reason for all the bragging or maybe she never got over the fact that guy (Big XII) rejected her in the first place because at that time he got other or perhaps better options. Most people around her think it's the latter not the former even thought she will never admit it.

That's how I see Louisville, West Virginia, the Big XII and the ACC. But at the end of the day, everybody is happy where they're at, right? Except if you're in the MWC, C-USA, MAC, AAC and Sun Belt.

Actually, the analogy I would draw is that Louisville was always the girl down the street with a cute personality and okay figure but who also had a slightly jacked up grill, and those things held her back.

Well, over time she got into great shape, got her nosed fixed, got some orthodontal work done and came out of things looking SMOKING hot. She's not perfect by any means. She's still not the sharpest knife in the drawer but she's not stupid either and she is back in school and committed to earning her degree.

West Virginia was an okay looking girl who was long been a party girl and was always DTF and would let you stick that thing anywhere you wanted. She has a couple of kids already from previous relationships and can be a little psychotic but when she's on her meds she can be a lot of fun, if a little batschitt crazy at times.

The B12 opted for the slutty girl and so far everyone is happy. Let's see if that remains the case 10-20 years from now?

Objections or no objections from the powerless B12 North schools, the B12 should have taken the long term view instead of the short term strategy they opted for. They should have taken the Ohio Valley triumvirate of West Virginia, Louisville and Cincinnati and called it a day. Instead they got greedy and tried to wait for Clemson, Florida State, etc.

If everyone needs to play games in Texas for recruiting's sake, then dimply don't align the divisions geographically. That would not have been a remotely difficult adjustment for everyone to make. Also, put Oklahoma and Texas in opposite divisions but obviously keep the Red River Rivalry.

Here is one alignment I came up with after thinking about it for approximately 10 seconds.

B12 A / B (permanent rival)
Oklahoma / Texas
Oklahoma State / Iowa State
West Virginia / Texas Tech
Baylor / Texas Christian
Louisville / Cincinnati
Kansas / Kansas State

The B12 definitely miscalculated here and there's no two ways about it. That's all Castiglione is saying and frankly, it's impossible to disagree with his analysis.

The real question to me is why West Virginia didn't take advantage of its unique leverage and insist to the B12 that they be able to take two partners with them? They are the ones who lost the most, IMHO when the ACC chose Louisville and then signed its GOR.

So West Virginia is the slutty girl who is always DTF.
That's sweet coming from a Pitt fan.

Yeah Terry, He is seriously misguided on the bowl revenue stream...and I bet 95% of Cincy Fans would take the ACC over the B12.