(07-10-2013 06:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 06:07 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:54 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I agree. C-USA didn't seem to care about this bowl. Some of the new programs have been to this game and love the city. In the current state of college football bowl games are at a premium. There just aren't enough for everyone. That has also made the game more attractive. The geography makes sense for both C-USA and the AAC. Maybe C-USA and the AAC need to get together and start a new bowl in New Orleans. We can call it the Louisiana Bowl, or French Quarter Bowl.

It is still in the Superdome, which is a terrible place to see a football game when it is half-empty (or worse). I saw Rice play in the New Orleans Bowl, and in the Armed Forces Bowl. I much preferred the party that Fort Worth put on, and the game in TCU's beautiful on-campus stadium with the military flyovers.

I work in Fort Worth. It's a great city and TCU has a nice stadium. I hope McMurphy is right and C-USA will be playing the MWC in the Armed Forces Bowl.

Could be a shared tie in. A lot of bowls seem to be going in that direction.

(07-10-2013 06:18 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 06:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 06:07 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:54 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I agree. C-USA didn't seem to care about this bowl. Some of the new programs have been to this game and love the city. In the current state of college football bowl games are at a premium. There just aren't enough for everyone. That has also made the game more attractive. The geography makes sense for both C-USA and the AAC. Maybe C-USA and the AAC need to get together and start a new bowl in New Orleans. We can call it the Louisiana Bowl, or French Quarter Bowl.

It is still in the Superdome, which is a terrible place to see a football game when it is half-empty (or worse). I saw Rice play in the New Orleans Bowl, and in the Armed Forces Bowl. I much preferred the party that Fort Worth put on, and the game in TCU's beautiful on-campus stadium with the military flyovers.

I work in Fort Worth. It's a great city and TCU has a nice stadium. I hope McMurphy is right and C-USA will be playing the MWC in the Armed Forces Bowl.

Could be a shared tie in. A lot of bowls seem to be going in that direction.

As of now, Army and Navy have ties to it over the next few years, so unless those agreements are changed, I'd think the Armed Forces Bowl would be a shared spot for whoever signs to play the MWC.

(07-10-2013 05:48 PM)SApuro Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:41 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 04:10 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I like Banowsky's approach. He isn't saying much, and every time another bowl gets picked up by C-USA (New Mexico & Armed Forces) he looks smart for keeping quiet about it and working hard behind the scenes. If McMurphy's source believes the Armed Forces Bowl is going to C-USA, I'll believe that over Aresco, who is just stating bowls he hopes the AAC can add.

As far as the Armed Forces Bowl goes, I'd say that's the big story here.

I can't get past C-USA and the AAC fighting to win a spot in New Orleans against the Sunbelt. When we all shared C-USA, I don't think any of us particularly cared for that Bowl Game and wanted to avoid it.

I was thinking the same thing. The NO bowl has come along way from a created SB bowl to a desired bowl...ish. I'd have to say its mostly due to its central location. Plus who doesn't want to party in Nawlens.

Well, would you rather have a crappy lower-FBS bowl in

A) Boise
B) Albuquerque
C) New Orleans
D) Mobile
E) Shreveport
F) Little Rock

(07-10-2013 05:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 04:10 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I like Banowsky's approach. He isn't saying much, and every time another bowl gets picked up by C-USA (New Mexico & Armed Forces) he looks smart for keeping quiet about it and working hard behind the scenes. If McMurphy's source believes the Armed Forces Bowl is going to C-USA, I'll believe that over Aresco, who is just stating bowls he hopes the AAC can add.

Aresco does have a tendency to be overly optimistic. However, to be fair, all Aresco said was that he was talking to the Meinike and Armed Forces Bowls. That would tend to indicate that at the very least, the Armed Forces Bowl and the Mineke Car Car Bowl situations have not yet been decided. As far as the Armed Forces Bowl goes, I'd say that's the big story here.

I think McMurphy just said the opponents in his MW peice were the "expected" opponents--which may have been his guesses or his sources. It didn't say "sources said". McMurphy is an excellent source, but when it came to the opponents, he did seem to hedge his bets.

I see your point. I guess until everything is officially announced, anything is possible.

Yeah, things are still being ironed out I guess. lol...It appears that the Idaho Potato Bowl took exception to McMurphys story...Brian Murphy, the Boise beat writer, says the Potato Bowl isn't getting the bottom #6 MW pick every year. Sounds like the 3-6 MW picks are a pool and could end up in any of those bowls.


Brian Murphy ‏@murphsturph 4h
.@IDPotatoBowl says it doesn't expect to have 6th selection among MW bowl teams in future years. Expects to be part of pool of games

(07-10-2013 08:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 04:10 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I like Banowsky's approach. He isn't saying much, and every time another bowl gets picked up by C-USA (New Mexico & Armed Forces) he looks smart for keeping quiet about it and working hard behind the scenes. If McMurphy's source believes the Armed Forces Bowl is going to C-USA, I'll believe that over Aresco, who is just stating bowls he hopes the AAC can add.

Aresco does have a tendency to be overly optimistic. However, to be fair, all Aresco said was that he was talking to the Meinike and Armed Forces Bowls. That would tend to indicate that at the very least, the Armed Forces Bowl and the Mineke Car Car Bowl situations have not yet been decided. As far as the Armed Forces Bowl goes, I'd say that's the big story here.

I think McMurphy just said the opponents in his MW peice were the "expected" opponents--which may have been his guesses or his sources. It didn't say "sources said". McMurphy is an excellent source, but when it came to the opponents, he did seem to hedge his bets.

I see your point. I guess until everything is officially announced, anything is possible.

Yeah, things are still being ironed out I guess. lol...It appears that the Idaho Potato Bowl took exception to McMurphys story...Brian Murphy, the Boise beat writer, says the Potato Bowl isn't getting the bottom #6 MW pick every year. Sounds like the 3-6 MW picks are a pool and could end up in any of those bowls.


Brian Murphy ‏@murphsturph 4h
.@IDPotatoBowl says it doesn't expect to have 6th selection among MW bowl teams in future years. Expects to be part of pool of games

Yeah, I caught that also. I wonder if it means either the MW is looking at another bowl or that if the MW has its champ in the Access Bowl then that spot won't be filled? The MW only took over the WAC for this year only so, there probably isn't any interest from the rest of the conference members to be part of a bowl in Boise.

(07-11-2013 10:28 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 08:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 04:10 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I like Banowsky's approach. He isn't saying much, and every time another bowl gets picked up by C-USA (New Mexico & Armed Forces) he looks smart for keeping quiet about it and working hard behind the scenes. If McMurphy's source believes the Armed Forces Bowl is going to C-USA, I'll believe that over Aresco, who is just stating bowls he hopes the AAC can add.

Aresco does have a tendency to be overly optimistic. However, to be fair, all Aresco said was that he was talking to the Meinike and Armed Forces Bowls. That would tend to indicate that at the very least, the Armed Forces Bowl and the Mineke Car Car Bowl situations have not yet been decided. As far as the Armed Forces Bowl goes, I'd say that's the big story here.

I think McMurphy just said the opponents in his MW peice were the "expected" opponents--which may have been his guesses or his sources. It didn't say "sources said". McMurphy is an excellent source, but when it came to the opponents, he did seem to hedge his bets.

I see your point. I guess until everything is officially announced, anything is possible.

Yeah, things are still being ironed out I guess. lol...It appears that the Idaho Potato Bowl took exception to McMurphys story...Brian Murphy, the Boise beat writer, says the Potato Bowl isn't getting the bottom #6 MW pick every year. Sounds like the 3-6 MW picks are a pool and could end up in any of those bowls.


Brian Murphy ‏@murphsturph 4h
.@IDPotatoBowl says it doesn't expect to have 6th selection among MW bowl teams in future years. Expects to be part of pool of games

Yeah, I caught that also. I wonder if it means either the MW is looking at another bowl or that if the MW has its champ in the Access Bowl then that spot won't be filled? The MW only took over the WAC for this year only so, there probably isn't any interest from the rest of the conference members to be part of a bowl in Boise.

If they can, I think the MWC should move the Potato Bowl. Nobody wants to go to Boise in the winter. L. A. would be a better location, and be an easier sell to other conferences.

(07-11-2013 10:28 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 08:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 04:10 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I like Banowsky's approach. He isn't saying much, and every time another bowl gets picked up by C-USA (New Mexico & Armed Forces) he looks smart for keeping quiet about it and working hard behind the scenes. If McMurphy's source believes the Armed Forces Bowl is going to C-USA, I'll believe that over Aresco, who is just stating bowls he hopes the AAC can add.

Aresco does have a tendency to be overly optimistic. However, to be fair, all Aresco said was that he was talking to the Meinike and Armed Forces Bowls. That would tend to indicate that at the very least, the Armed Forces Bowl and the Mineke Car Car Bowl situations have not yet been decided. As far as the Armed Forces Bowl goes, I'd say that's the big story here.

I think McMurphy just said the opponents in his MW peice were the "expected" opponents--which may have been his guesses or his sources. It didn't say "sources said". McMurphy is an excellent source, but when it came to the opponents, he did seem to hedge his bets.

I see your point. I guess until everything is officially announced, anything is possible.

Yeah, things are still being ironed out I guess. lol...It appears that the Idaho Potato Bowl took exception to McMurphys story...Brian Murphy, the Boise beat writer, says the Potato Bowl isn't getting the bottom #6 MW pick every year. Sounds like the 3-6 MW picks are a pool and could end up in any of those bowls.


Brian Murphy ‏@murphsturph 4h
.@IDPotatoBowl says it doesn't expect to have 6th selection among MW bowl teams in future years. Expects to be part of pool of games

Yeah, I caught that also. I wonder if it means either the MW is looking at another bowl or that if the MW has its champ in the Access Bowl then that spot won't be filled? The MW only took over the WAC for this year only so, there probably isn't any interest from the rest of the conference members to be part of a bowl in Boise.

I guess that's possible, but most of the MW bowls are located in the home stadiums of member schools. Given that the MW now has 12 schools (rather than 10), and given that the Potato Bowl is basically another captive bowl that they pretty much could never lose, I suspect they will hang on to it. If I were them, I'd push the bowl to bump up its payoff enough so that it could either upgrade the opponent or at least increase the payoff enough to command the presence of the MAC champ. That would make it a much better bowl.

(07-10-2013 03:33 PM)billings Wrote:  The article on the armed forces bowl being a MWC bowl was from ESPN and linked on the MWC board. It was not just a poster source

And it was a "sources say", so is likely to be sketchier in the details than when the MWC is willing to go on the record, as opposed to softening the ground with anonymous inside sources. For instance, some reported tie-ins could be rotating tie-ins, some could be agreements not yet finalized that could still fall through.

(07-11-2013 12:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 10:28 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 08:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Aresco does have a tendency to be overly optimistic. However, to be fair, all Aresco said was that he was talking to the Meinike and Armed Forces Bowls. That would tend to indicate that at the very least, the Armed Forces Bowl and the Mineke Car Car Bowl situations have not yet been decided. As far as the Armed Forces Bowl goes, I'd say that's the big story here.

I think McMurphy just said the opponents in his MW peice were the "expected" opponents--which may have been his guesses or his sources. It didn't say "sources said". McMurphy is an excellent source, but when it came to the opponents, he did seem to hedge his bets.

I see your point. I guess until everything is officially announced, anything is possible.

Yeah, things are still being ironed out I guess. lol...It appears that the Idaho Potato Bowl took exception to McMurphys story...Brian Murphy, the Boise beat writer, says the Potato Bowl isn't getting the bottom #6 MW pick every year. Sounds like the 3-6 MW picks are a pool and could end up in any of those bowls.


Brian Murphy ‏@murphsturph 4h
.@IDPotatoBowl says it doesn't expect to have 6th selection among MW bowl teams in future years. Expects to be part of pool of games

Yeah, I caught that also. I wonder if it means either the MW is looking at another bowl or that if the MW has its champ in the Access Bowl then that spot won't be filled? The MW only took over the WAC for this year only so, there probably isn't any interest from the rest of the conference members to be part of a bowl in Boise.

I guess that's possible, but most of the MW bowls are located in the home stadiums of member schools. Given that the MW now has 12 schools (rather than 10), and given that the Potato Bowl is basically another captive bowl that they pretty much could never lose, I suspect they will hang on to it. If I were them, I'd push the bowl to bump up its payoff enough so that it could either upgrade the opponent or at least increase the payoff enough to command the presence of the MAC champ. That would make it a much better bowl.

Well, it could be a Sunbelt bowl with Idaho in the conference next year, so that may be a way for them to survive without the MW.
I like Side Show Joe's idea and move it to another location and perhaps it becomes a bowl in L.A. It's not like many other bowls have moved from their orginal location anyway.
But being part of a group of games where the bowl exists only for at-larges may not survive very long if its still in Boise.

(07-11-2013 01:05 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 12:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 10:28 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 08:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 05:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I see your point. I guess until everything is officially announced, anything is possible.

Yeah, things are still being ironed out I guess. lol...It appears that the Idaho Potato Bowl took exception to McMurphys story...Brian Murphy, the Boise beat writer, says the Potato Bowl isn't getting the bottom #6 MW pick every year. Sounds like the 3-6 MW picks are a pool and could end up in any of those bowls.


Brian Murphy ‏@murphsturph 4h
.@IDPotatoBowl says it doesn't expect to have 6th selection among MW bowl teams in future years. Expects to be part of pool of games

Yeah, I caught that also. I wonder if it means either the MW is looking at another bowl or that if the MW has its champ in the Access Bowl then that spot won't be filled? The MW only took over the WAC for this year only so, there probably isn't any interest from the rest of the conference members to be part of a bowl in Boise.

I guess that's possible, but most of the MW bowls are located in the home stadiums of member schools. Given that the MW now has 12 schools (rather than 10), and given that the Potato Bowl is basically another captive bowl that they pretty much could never lose, I suspect they will hang on to it. If I were them, I'd push the bowl to bump up its payoff enough so that it could either upgrade the opponent or at least increase the payoff enough to command the presence of the MAC champ. That would make it a much better bowl.

Well, it could be a Sunbelt bowl with Idaho in the conference next year, so that may be a way for them to survive without the MW.
I like Side Show Joe's idea and move it to another location and perhaps it becomes a bowl in L.A. It's not like many other bowls have moved from their orginal location anyway.
But being part of a group of games where the bowl exists only for at-larges may not survive very long if its still in Boise.

Moving it to LA is actually a pretty good idea. I missed that post. I would think that Fresno's stadium might not be a horrible location either.

(07-11-2013 04:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 01:05 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 12:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 10:28 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-10-2013 08:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yeah, things are still being ironed out I guess. lol...It appears that the Idaho Potato Bowl took exception to McMurphys story...Brian Murphy, the Boise beat writer, says the Potato Bowl isn't getting the bottom #6 MW pick every year. Sounds like the 3-6 MW picks are a pool and could end up in any of those bowls.


Brian Murphy ‏@murphsturph 4h
.@IDPotatoBowl says it doesn't expect to have 6th selection among MW bowl teams in future years. Expects to be part of pool of games

Yeah, I caught that also. I wonder if it means either the MW is looking at another bowl or that if the MW has its champ in the Access Bowl then that spot won't be filled? The MW only took over the WAC for this year only so, there probably isn't any interest from the rest of the conference members to be part of a bowl in Boise.

I guess that's possible, but most of the MW bowls are located in the home stadiums of member schools. Given that the MW now has 12 schools (rather than 10), and given that the Potato Bowl is basically another captive bowl that they pretty much could never lose, I suspect they will hang on to it. If I were them, I'd push the bowl to bump up its payoff enough so that it could either upgrade the opponent or at least increase the payoff enough to command the presence of the MAC champ. That would make it a much better bowl.

Well, it could be a Sunbelt bowl with Idaho in the conference next year, so that may be a way for them to survive without the MW.
I like Side Show Joe's idea and move it to another location and perhaps it becomes a bowl in L.A. It's not like many other bowls have moved from their orginal location anyway.
But being part of a group of games where the bowl exists only for at-larges may not survive very long if its still in Boise.

Moving it to LA is actually a pretty good idea. I missed that post. I would think that Fresno's stadium might not be a horrible location either.

Or a second bowl in Las Vegas.

The City of Boise support the Bowl well and really don't rely on traveling fans, moving it to a better location is good when there fans that travel well, that isn't the case in the MWC beside of a few teams that is..

Now Boise/USU/Wyoming will sell; out the Boise bowl.. and the others the locals put 20,000 there..

Read and article on MWC bowl affiliations this morning that stated the Hawaii bowl will pit the MWC against CUSA's #2 but that the AAC will also be affiliated with this bowl. The article did not specify whether the AAC and CUSA would rotate through this bowl or if the AAC just signed on a back up. Would think there is going to be an American / CUSA rotation through this bowl with at least one other bowl or several bowls when the contracts are signed if it is true that the AAC is going to be AFFILIATED with the bowl in Hawaii. Perhaps Navy is being offered as the bait with west coast bowls like the Poinsettia and the new rumored LA Christmas Bowl. West coast bowls and the Hawaii Bowl would make great destinations for Navy with the Navel bases in those locations. If Navy is not bowl eligible or plays in another bowl then another AAC school could be sent in its place if it is Navy's / the AAC's time in the rotation for one of those bowls. Find it rather interesting that the AAC is mentioned in the article and that Aresco has also mention the Hawaii Bowl as a possible AAC destination coupled with the mention of an AAC affiliation with the new new LA if it becomes a reality and Navy's ties to the Poinsettia.

(07-11-2013 01:05 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well, it could be a Sunbelt bowl with Idaho in the conference next year, so that may be a way for them to survive without the MW.

Though Idaho might not be bowl eligible on a regular basis.

Quote: But being part of a group of games where the bowl exists only for at-larges may not survive very long if its still in Boise.

As Fear the Frog notes, the Potato Bowl can survive independent of the traveling fans, but the prospects of getting a big crowd are much better in the MWC, taking the lower placed travelling distance school when one is available.

When taking schools from the lower rungs of bowl eligibility from two Go5 conferences, having a local base of support coming to the game as an annual local event is quite valuable.