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RE: WVU to make $80 million over 12 years re Tier 3 rights
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(07-14-2013 09:24 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-14-2013 06:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Call me when all of UNC's players are taking a real class. You can nitpick to your heart's content after that...


I just rang and you didn't pick up. It's not nitpicking when you start touting all of this money you're making and it's way off. I'm merely pointing out the discrepancies.

Don't start about UNC players taking a real class. Academically you guys can't hold UNC's jock strap.

Really? You are going to tout UNC's academics after the scandal? That's like a PSU fan after the Sandusky scandal denigrating some other school because of PSU's higher ethics.

Though I hate my school is dealing with this garbage, even the most elite schools deal with this every now and then. You guys make it seem like it's all over the place, but it only affects a very small subset of the students.

Maybe you guys forgot this just happened at Harvard last year:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...unts-hoops

I don't hear a single person questioning their academics.
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RE: WVU to make $80 million over 12 years re Tier 3 rights
(07-15-2013 05:55 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-14-2013 11:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-14-2013 09:24 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-14-2013 06:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Call me when all of UNC's players are taking a real class. You can nitpick to your heart's content after that...


I just rang and you didn't pick up. It's not nitpicking when you start touting all of this money you're making and it's way off. I'm merely pointing out the discrepancies.

Don't start about UNC players taking a real class. Academically you guys can't hold UNC's jock strap.

Really? You are going to tout UNC's academics after the scandal? That's like a PSU fan after the Sandusky scandal denigrating some other school because of PSU's higher ethics.

Though I hate my school is dealing with this garbage, even the most elite schools deal with this every now and then. You guys make it seem like it's all over the place, but it only affects a very small subset of the students.

Maybe you guys forgot this just happened at Harvard last year:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...unts-hoops

I don't hear a single person questioning their academics.

Denial. Students cheating is one course is dramatically different than faculty setting up fictional courses over a decade.

What's worse with UNC is that they set these courses up for athletes and then allowed non-athletes in. Anyone looking at an application from someone with a recent African-American Studies degree from UNC is going to have serious doubts about that candidate. The integrity of a degree from UNC has been compromised.
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RE: WVU to make $80 million over 12 years re Tier 3 rights
(07-15-2013 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 05:55 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-14-2013 11:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-14-2013 09:24 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-14-2013 06:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Call me when all of UNC's players are taking a real class. You can nitpick to your heart's content after that...


I just rang and you didn't pick up. It's not nitpicking when you start touting all of this money you're making and it's way off. I'm merely pointing out the discrepancies.

Don't start about UNC players taking a real class. Academically you guys can't hold UNC's jock strap.

Really? You are going to tout UNC's academics after the scandal? That's like a PSU fan after the Sandusky scandal denigrating some other school because of PSU's higher ethics.

Though I hate my school is dealing with this garbage, even the most elite schools deal with this every now and then. You guys make it seem like it's all over the place, but it only affects a very small subset of the students.

Maybe you guys forgot this just happened at Harvard last year:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...unts-hoops

I don't hear a single person questioning their academics.

Denial. Students cheating is one course is dramatically different than faculty setting up fictional courses over a decade.

What's worse with UNC is that they set these courses up for athletes and then allowed non-athletes in. Anyone looking at an application from someone with a recent African-American Studies degree from UNC is going to have serious doubts about that candidate. The integrity of a degree from UNC has been compromised.


Then you don't know much about the issue. It's only one program--African American Studies....of which most students don't even take a class. Though I agree the integrity of a degree has been compromised, but only for those who received a degree in AFAM or who took more than 1 or 2 courses.
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RE: WVU to make $80 million over 12 years re Tier 3 rights
(07-15-2013 10:04 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 05:55 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-14-2013 11:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-14-2013 09:24 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I just rang and you didn't pick up. It's not nitpicking when you start touting all of this money you're making and it's way off. I'm merely pointing out the discrepancies.

Don't start about UNC players taking a real class. Academically you guys can't hold UNC's jock strap.
Really? You are going to tout UNC's academics after the scandal? That's like a PSU fan after the Sandusky scandal denigrating some other school because of PSU's higher ethics.
Though I hate my school is dealing with this garbage, even the most elite schools deal with this every now and then. You guys make it seem like it's all over the place, but it only affects a very small subset of the students.

Maybe you guys forgot this just happened at Harvard last year:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...unts-hoops

I don't hear a single person questioning their academics.
Denial. Students cheating is one course is dramatically different than faculty setting up fictional courses over a decade.

What's worse with UNC is that they set these courses up for athletes and then allowed non-athletes in. Anyone looking at an application from someone with a recent African-American Studies degree from UNC is going to have serious doubts about that candidate. The integrity of a degree from UNC has been compromised.
Then you don't know much about the issue. It's only one program--African American Studies....of which most students don't even take a class. Though I agree the integrity of a degree has been compromised, but only for those who received a degree in AFAM or who took more than 1 or 2 courses.
Don't forget all the help the coach's nanny gave...
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RE: WVU to make $80 million over 12 years re Tier 3 rights
(07-15-2013 10:29 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:04 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 05:55 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-14-2013 11:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  Really? You are going to tout UNC's academics after the scandal? That's like a PSU fan after the Sandusky scandal denigrating some other school because of PSU's higher ethics.
Though I hate my school is dealing with this garbage, even the most elite schools deal with this every now and then. You guys make it seem like it's all over the place, but it only affects a very small subset of the students.

Maybe you guys forgot this just happened at Harvard last year:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...unts-hoops

I don't hear a single person questioning their academics.
Denial. Students cheating is one course is dramatically different than faculty setting up fictional courses over a decade.

What's worse with UNC is that they set these courses up for athletes and then allowed non-athletes in. Anyone looking at an application from someone with a recent African-American Studies degree from UNC is going to have serious doubts about that candidate. The integrity of a degree from UNC has been compromised.
Then you don't know much about the issue. It's only one program--African American Studies....of which most students don't even take a class. Though I agree the integrity of a degree has been compromised, but only for those who received a degree in AFAM or who took more than 1 or 2 courses.
Don't forget all the help the coach's nanny gave...

That's minor compared to the rest. Besides, that kind of stuff goes on every where.
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RE: WVU to make $80 million over 12 years re Tier 3 rights
(07-15-2013 10:41 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:29 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:04 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 05:55 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Though I hate my school is dealing with this garbage, even the most elite schools deal with this every now and then. You guys make it seem like it's all over the place, but it only affects a very small subset of the students.

Maybe you guys forgot this just happened at Harvard last year:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...unts-hoops

I don't hear a single person questioning their academics.
Denial. Students cheating is one course is dramatically different than faculty setting up fictional courses over a decade.

What's worse with UNC is that they set these courses up for athletes and then allowed non-athletes in. Anyone looking at an application from someone with a recent African-American Studies degree from UNC is going to have serious doubts about that candidate. The integrity of a degree from UNC has been compromised.
Then you don't know much about the issue. It's only one program--African American Studies....of which most students don't even take a class. Though I agree the integrity of a degree has been compromised, but only for those who received a degree in AFAM or who took more than 1 or 2 courses.
Don't forget all the help the coach's nanny gave...

That's minor compared to the rest. Besides, that kind of stuff goes on every where.

It's the sum of the incidents that makes Chapel Hill look like it's lost control over its athletics. And by no means does "that kind of stuff goes on everywhere". That is nonsense. Sure, it happens, but certainly not everywhere. That's the thing though, as a native North Carolinian, I respected Chapel Hill's academics, but not anymore. People had this myth of Chapel Hill being a "public ivy" That myth is now destroyed. Clearly, "The Carolina Way" now represents all that is wrong with college athletics, and not some superiority complex from a bygone era.
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RE: WVU to make $80 million over 12 years re Tier 3 rights
(07-15-2013 10:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:41 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:29 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:04 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  Denial. Students cheating is one course is dramatically different than faculty setting up fictional courses over a decade.

What's worse with UNC is that they set these courses up for athletes and then allowed non-athletes in. Anyone looking at an application from someone with a recent African-American Studies degree from UNC is going to have serious doubts about that candidate. The integrity of a degree from UNC has been compromised.
Then you don't know much about the issue. It's only one program--African American Studies....of which most students don't even take a class. Though I agree the integrity of a degree has been compromised, but only for those who received a degree in AFAM or who took more than 1 or 2 courses.
Don't forget all the help the coach's nanny gave...

That's minor compared to the rest. Besides, that kind of stuff goes on every where.

It's the sum of the incidents that makes Chapel Hill look like it's lost control over its athletics. And by no means does "that kind of stuff goes on everywhere". That is nonsense. Sure, it happens, but certainly not everywhere. That's the thing though, as a native North Carolinian, I respected Chapel Hill's academics, but not anymore. People had this myth of Chapel Hill being a "public ivy" That myth is now destroyed. Clearly, "The Carolina Way" now represents all that is wrong with college athletics, and not some superiority complex from a bygone era.

I'm sorry but one rogue program doesn't destroy the academics at UNC. I've been around long enough to know that no one school is without spot. UNC is still one of the top public schools in the nation.
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RE: WVU to make $80 million over 12 years re Tier 3 rights
(07-15-2013 11:13 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:41 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:29 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:04 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Then you don't know much about the issue. It's only one program--African American Studies....of which most students don't even take a class. Though I agree the integrity of a degree has been compromised, but only for those who received a degree in AFAM or who took more than 1 or 2 courses.
Don't forget all the help the coach's nanny gave...

That's minor compared to the rest. Besides, that kind of stuff goes on every where.

It's the sum of the incidents that makes Chapel Hill look like it's lost control over its athletics. And by no means does "that kind of stuff goes on everywhere". That is nonsense. Sure, it happens, but certainly not everywhere. That's the thing though, as a native North Carolinian, I respected Chapel Hill's academics, but not anymore. People had this myth of Chapel Hill being a "public ivy" That myth is now destroyed. Clearly, "The Carolina Way" now represents all that is wrong with college athletics, and not some superiority complex from a bygone era.

I'm sorry but one rogue program doesn't destroy the academics at UNC. I've been around long enough to know that no one school is without spot. UNC is still one of the top public schools in the nation.

Maybe so, but the school no longer holds this pristine reputation it previously held. Most Chapel Hill alums I talk to are embarrased by their schools actions. It's the bandwagon fans that see no wrong.
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RE: WVU to make $80 million over 12 years re Tier 3 rights
(07-15-2013 11:17 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 11:13 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:41 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:29 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Don't forget all the help the coach's nanny gave...

That's minor compared to the rest. Besides, that kind of stuff goes on every where.

It's the sum of the incidents that makes Chapel Hill look like it's lost control over its athletics. And by no means does "that kind of stuff goes on everywhere". That is nonsense. Sure, it happens, but certainly not everywhere. That's the thing though, as a native North Carolinian, I respected Chapel Hill's academics, but not anymore. People had this myth of Chapel Hill being a "public ivy" That myth is now destroyed. Clearly, "The Carolina Way" now represents all that is wrong with college athletics, and not some superiority complex from a bygone era.

I'm sorry but one rogue program doesn't destroy the academics at UNC. I've been around long enough to know that no one school is without spot. UNC is still one of the top public schools in the nation.

Maybe so, but the school no longer holds this pristine reputation it previously held. Most Chapel Hill alums I talk to are embarrased by their schools actions. It's the bandwagon fans that see no wrong.

True. The reputation is damaged and it will take some time to repair it. However, I do believe the damage isn't as severe as some want to believe.
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RE: WVU to make $80 million over 12 years re Tier 3 rights
(07-15-2013 11:21 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 11:17 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 11:13 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:41 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  That's minor compared to the rest. Besides, that kind of stuff goes on every where.
It's the sum of the incidents that makes Chapel Hill look like it's lost control over its athletics. And by no means does "that kind of stuff goes on everywhere". That is nonsense. Sure, it happens, but certainly not everywhere. That's the thing though, as a native North Carolinian, I respected Chapel Hill's academics, but not anymore. People had this myth of Chapel Hill being a "public ivy" That myth is now destroyed. Clearly, "The Carolina Way" now represents all that is wrong with college athletics, and not some superiority complex from a bygone era.
I'm sorry but one rogue program doesn't destroy the academics at UNC. I've been around long enough to know that no one school is without spot. UNC is still one of the top public schools in the nation.
Maybe so, but the school no longer holds this pristine reputation it previously held. Most Chapel Hill alums I talk to are embarrased by their schools actions. It's the bandwagon fans that see no wrong.
True. The reputation is damaged and it will take some time to repair it. However, I do believe the damage isn't as severe as some want to believe.
With all the UNC grads in positions of responsibility with organizations regulating the NCAA, that's not all that surprising. UNC gets away with stuff that other schools can't, for obvious reasons...
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RE: WVU to make $80 million over 12 years re Tier 3 rights
(07-15-2013 11:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 11:21 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 11:17 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 11:13 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 10:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  It's the sum of the incidents that makes Chapel Hill look like it's lost control over its athletics. And by no means does "that kind of stuff goes on everywhere". That is nonsense. Sure, it happens, but certainly not everywhere. That's the thing though, as a native North Carolinian, I respected Chapel Hill's academics, but not anymore. People had this myth of Chapel Hill being a "public ivy" That myth is now destroyed. Clearly, "The Carolina Way" now represents all that is wrong with college athletics, and not some superiority complex from a bygone era.
I'm sorry but one rogue program doesn't destroy the academics at UNC. I've been around long enough to know that no one school is without spot. UNC is still one of the top public schools in the nation.
Maybe so, but the school no longer holds this pristine reputation it previously held. Most Chapel Hill alums I talk to are embarrased by their schools actions. It's the bandwagon fans that see no wrong.
True. The reputation is damaged and it will take some time to repair it. However, I do believe the damage isn't as severe as some want to believe.
With all the UNC grads in positions of responsibility with organizations regulating the NCAA, that's not all that surprising. UNC gets away with stuff that other schools can't, for obvious reasons...

Too many conspiracy theories...what has UNC gotten away with? We're on probation now because of the football team. There was a bowl ban, reduction in scholarships...what else do you want??
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