So we going to play the MAC and Sunbelt now?

Ugh. Not good to hear. What are remaining options? Tampa bowl vs. PAC 12?

(07-23-2013 09:01 AM)kardphan Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If I were Aresco I'd move the basketball tournament from Memphis and make it clear it was never going to be in Memphis. Yeah that's punishing the University of Memphis for the Liberty Bowl's decision, but oh well according to many of them their presence alone was supposed to "deliver" the Liberty Bowl to this league.

Come on man be realistic. Aresco isn't petty he may not be the best commish but he isnt drunk. No other city or school would go balls out to support that tourney than Memphis. The best facility and everything is right there and the fans will support it. Im sure UConn and cincy would be good hosts as well but he wont pull that tourney from Memphis. That would just be beyond idiotic. The liberty bowl situation was out of the schools control they don't "own" the bowl. Not sure punishing Memphis for being pissed is going to solve anything. Memphis bid and won the tourney fair and square.

That's a very realistic solution. Punish the city, Memphis fans boycott the sponsors of the bowl, and hurt the city and the bowl where it hurts, their wallets, and maybe next time they change their minds. I'm all ears for a better idea.

I mean for American champ...

(07-23-2013 08:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  [quote='b0ndsj0ns' pid='9518464' dateline='1374587252']
If I were Aresco I'd move the basketball tournament from Memphis and make it clear it was never going to be in Memphis. Yeah that's punishing the University of Memphis for the Liberty Bowl's decision, but oh well according to many of them their presence alone was supposed to "deliver" the Liberty Bowl to this league.

Memphis is a great place for the basketball tourney. That would be cutting off nose to spite the face.

There are other good places for the basketball tournament. Cincinnati, Connecticut, Philly, Tampa, or Orlando. I'd move the thing and I'd let the city know exactly why it's moved. If you don't like the outcome of something you hit them where it hurts, their wallets.
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While Tampa and Orlando are good location that doesn't mean they are going to be good "host" and the locals come out and support. In sorry but no one in Tampa or Orlando are coming out in full force to see the AAC tourney. Philly has a trash facility so good luck with that. Being pissed about the situation and trying to deny Memphis the tourney is not the solution. It just sounds like foolish anyway you spin this

(07-23-2013 08:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If I were Aresco I'd move the basketball tournament from Memphis and make it clear it was never going to be in Memphis. Yeah that's punishing the University of Memphis for the Liberty Bowl's decision, but oh well according to many of them their presence alone was supposed to "deliver" the Liberty Bowl to this league.

Memphis is a great place for the basketball tourney. That would be cutting off nose to spite the face.

There are other good places for the basketball tournament. Cincinnati, Connecticut, Philly, Tampa, or Orlando. I'd move the thing and I'd let the city know exactly why it's moved. If you don't like the outcome of something you hit them where it hurts, their wallets.

While Tampa and Orlando are good location that doesn't mean they are going to be good "host" and the locals come out and support. In sorry but no one in Tampa or Orlando are coming out in full force to see the AAC tourney. Philly has a trash facility so good luck with that. Being pissed about the situation and trying to deny Memphis the tourney is not the solution. It just sounds like foolish anyway you spin this

At this point why even worry about playing a team from the P5? It would be a 9th or 10th place team with 6 wins anyway. Is that really a reward for the league champion?

The P5 is going to win. It's inevitable. They have colluded to playing only each other in bowl games and they are working on doing it in the regular season.

There isn't much Aresco or anybody else can do about it.

I'm looking forward to spending more time with my family this holiday season. I will not watch any bowl game that involves a P5 team unless UC is playing them.

Pizza Bowl isn't a bad bowl game if its somewhere around our 6th pick. It would basically be the game for a 6 or 7 win Cincinnati team that doesn't deserve any better. People dog the MAC but I would rather play that conference than what is left in C-USA outside of Southern Miss and Marshall. Toledo, Ohio, Kent State and Northern Illinois were actually better than a lot of power conference schools last season.

(07-23-2013 08:56 AM)kardphan Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:50 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Liberty is no longer part of the American. In all fairness, it really only was once anyway, with the potential of being part of it this season.

Aresco spinning in the press what was never going to be for his conference, part XVII...

I agree which is why i always take aresco with a grain of salt. How many times has he been on the radio in every AAC city blowing smoke and painting the perfect scenario. I'd much rather just hear it straight with no bs.

I think most seen the SEC as a threat to take the spot opposite the big 12 in the liberty. Its one of those situations now that aresco needs to now get that aresco bowl on the fast track with a decent opponent. The AAC champion will more than likely be a top 20 team. The champ deserves a good reward for winning the league. He needs to right the ship.

That's the biggest problem: What P5 conference is willing to commit a "decent" school to play in our bowl? Consequently, we are realistically looking at the MAC, CUSA, or SBC champ. This isn't looking good at all....

still not formally announced ?-

lions bowl
military
st pete
birmingham
independance
new orleans

2nd little caesars?
new tampa?

(07-23-2013 09:06 AM)kardphan Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If I were Aresco I'd move the basketball tournament from Memphis and make it clear it was never going to be in Memphis. Yeah that's punishing the University of Memphis for the Liberty Bowl's decision, but oh well according to many of them their presence alone was supposed to "deliver" the Liberty Bowl to this league.

Memphis is a great place for the basketball tourney. That would be cutting off nose to spite the face.

There are other good places for the basketball tournament. Cincinnati, Connecticut, Philly, Tampa, or Orlando. I'd move the thing and I'd let the city know exactly why it's moved. If you don't like the outcome of something you hit them where it hurts, their wallets.

While Tampa and Orlando are good location that doesn't mean they are going to be good "host" and the locals come out and support. In sorry but no one in Tampa or Orlando are coming out in full force to see the AAC tourney. Philly has a trash facility so good luck with that. Being pissed about the situation and trying to deny Memphis the tourney is not the solution. It just sounds like foolish anyway you spin this

I'm all ears for a better idea, but I'm not hearing one. I'm offering a suggestion, hurt the city of Memphis over this decision. It's not going to help this bowl period, but might help the next. Petty sometimes works. Hurting someones pockets works. You don't get someone to change a decision you don't like unless you make it real clear that it's unacceptable and hurt them over that decision.

(07-23-2013 09:09 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  still not formally announced ?-

lions bowl
military
st pete
birmingham
independance
new orleans

2nd little caesars?
new tampa?

What about Miami? Any hope for LA's bowl game.

(07-23-2013 09:08 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:56 AM)kardphan Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:50 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Liberty is no longer part of the American. In all fairness, it really only was once anyway, with the potential of being part of it this season.

Aresco spinning in the press what was never going to be for his conference, part XVII...

I agree which is why i always take aresco with a grain of salt. How many times has he been on the radio in every AAC city blowing smoke and painting the perfect scenario. I'd much rather just hear it straight with no bs.

I think most seen the SEC as a threat to take the spot opposite the big 12 in the liberty. Its one of those situations now that aresco needs to now get that aresco bowl on the fast track with a decent opponent. The AAC champion will more than likely be a top 20 team. The champ deserves a good reward for winning the league. He needs to right the ship.

That's the biggest problem: What P5 conference is willing to commit a "decent" school to play in our bowl? Consequently, we are realistically looking at the MAC, CUSA, or SBC champ. This isn't looking good at all....

I hear ya but i thought a PAC pick was tossed around. They still haven't filled all their slots. I think the location should help with the aresco bowl. So he has that card to play.

(07-23-2013 09:10 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 09:06 AM)kardphan Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If I were Aresco I'd move the basketball tournament from Memphis and make it clear it was never going to be in Memphis. Yeah that's punishing the University of Memphis for the Liberty Bowl's decision, but oh well according to many of them their presence alone was supposed to "deliver" the Liberty Bowl to this league.

Memphis is a great place for the basketball tourney. That would be cutting off nose to spite the face.

There are other good places for the basketball tournament. Cincinnati, Connecticut, Philly, Tampa, or Orlando. I'd move the thing and I'd let the city know exactly why it's moved. If you don't like the outcome of something you hit them where it hurts, their wallets.

While Tampa and Orlando are good location that doesn't mean they are going to be good "host" and the locals come out and support. In sorry but no one in Tampa or Orlando are coming out in full force to see the AAC tourney. Philly has a trash facility so good luck with that. Being pissed about the situation and trying to deny Memphis the tourney is not the solution. It just sounds like foolish anyway you spin this

I'm all ears for a better idea, but I'm not hearing one. I'm offering a suggestion, hurt the city of Memphis over this decision. It's not going to help this bowl period, but might help the next. Petty sometimes works. Hurting someones pockets works. You don't get someone to change a decision you don't like unless you make it real clear that it's unacceptable and hurt them over that decision.

I'm all for making your voice heard in any form or fashion. Whether its hurting ones pockets or etc. I just believe this was a situation that was out of the universities hands and aresco. The SEC always had first dibs on the liberty which is why they were willing to wait. I just personally felt there was no need to punish the university. They had no hand in the pot in this one. Now if the university tried to sabotage the deal then i would agree with your stance. I just don't see where the battle is to be had with this one. Its like attacking a unarmed midget.

(07-23-2013 09:06 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  At this point why even worry about playing a team from the P5? It would be a 9th or 10th place team with 6 wins anyway. Is that really a reward for the league champion?
The P5 is going to win. It's inevitable. They have colluded to playing only each other in bowl games and they are working on doing it in the regular season.

There isn't much Aresco or anybody else can do about it.

I'm looking forward to spending more time with my family this holiday season. I will not watch any bowl game that involves a P5 team unless UC is playing them.

My sentiments exactly. There is no reward for having a conf. champion play against the lowest of the low P5 conference.
You may beat FSU who turns out to be the ACC champion, but then you get to play Duke as a reward. The attention was already made by beating the ACC champion, no attention is paid to beating Duke in a bowl game. (especially against an AAC champ that'll likely blow out the team anyway)

(07-23-2013 09:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 09:01 AM)kardphan Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If I were Aresco I'd move the basketball tournament from Memphis and make it clear it was never going to be in Memphis. Yeah that's punishing the University of Memphis for the Liberty Bowl's decision, but oh well according to many of them their presence alone was supposed to "deliver" the Liberty Bowl to this league.

Come on man be realistic. Aresco isn't petty he may not be the best commish but he isnt drunk. No other city or school would go balls out to support that tourney than Memphis. The best facility and everything is right there and the fans will support it. Im sure UConn and cincy would be good hosts as well but he wont pull that tourney from Memphis. That would just be beyond idiotic. The liberty bowl situation was out of the schools control they don't "own" the bowl. Not sure punishing Memphis for being pissed is going to solve anything. Memphis bid and won the tourney fair and square.

That's a very realistic solution. Punish the city, Memphis fans boycott the sponsors of the bowl, and hurt the city and the bowl where it hurts, their wallets, and maybe next time they change their minds. I'm all ears for a better idea.

When things don't work out as they should, you're pretty entertaining to watch.

(07-23-2013 09:21 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 09:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 09:01 AM)kardphan Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If I were Aresco I'd move the basketball tournament from Memphis and make it clear it was never going to be in Memphis. Yeah that's punishing the University of Memphis for the Liberty Bowl's decision, but oh well according to many of them their presence alone was supposed to "deliver" the Liberty Bowl to this league.

Come on man be realistic. Aresco isn't petty he may not be the best commish but he isnt drunk. No other city or school would go balls out to support that tourney than Memphis. The best facility and everything is right there and the fans will support it. Im sure UConn and cincy would be good hosts as well but he wont pull that tourney from Memphis. That would just be beyond idiotic. The liberty bowl situation was out of the schools control they don't "own" the bowl. Not sure punishing Memphis for being pissed is going to solve anything. Memphis bid and won the tourney fair and square.

That's a very realistic solution. Punish the city, Memphis fans boycott the sponsors of the bowl, and hurt the city and the bowl where it hurts, their wallets, and maybe next time they change their minds. I'm all ears for a better idea.

When things don't work out as they should, you're pretty entertaining to watch.

I'm offering a solution. Offer something in rebuttal that you think this league can do and I'll gladly consider it. Why should this league bring millions into the city of Memphis when the cities bowl game just slapped the entire league in the face?

I've got it. The Bourbon Bowl in Lexington, KY. At least if we can't play anyone good we can all get tanked on the Trail.

(07-23-2013 09:18 AM)kardphan Wrote:  I'm all for making your voice heard in any form or fashion. Whether its hurting ones pockets or etc. I just believe this was a situation that was out of the universities hands and aresco.

Bonds's idea is a bad one, but not because the situation was out of Aresco's hands (god, is that the excuse every time something goes wrong?), it's because it's just not a smart idea. Memphis is a great place for the basketball tourney and leaving it will do absolutely nothing to harm the SEC, the Big 12, or the Liberty Bowl. It will only harm us.

(07-23-2013 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 09:18 AM)kardphan Wrote:  I'm all for making your voice heard in any form or fashion. Whether its hurting ones pockets or etc. I just believe this was a situation that was out of the universities hands and aresco.

Bonds's idea is a bad one, but not because the situation was out of Aresco's hands (god, is that the excuse every time something goes wrong?), it's because it's just not a smart idea. Memphis is a great place for the basketball tourney and leaving it will do absolutely nothing to harm the SEC, the Big 12, or the Liberty Bowl. It will only harm us.

It will harm the city of Memphis, and you take money out of their pockets and maybe they pressure the bowl to next time around have the AAC. I don't think it's a great idea but I'm not seeing better ones being offered.