(07-29-2013 04:56 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I think schools like ECU, Southern Miss, and Houston deserve to be included as well. Maybe 2-3 others

I agree. They've had enough success on the field and/or fan support to merit inclusion.

(07-29-2013 05:40 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  No G5 leagues will be included in the eventual split. The whole point is to separate from them so the playoff can be all P5 conferences with no G5 conferences whining for an AQ spot for their champ.

Now if any individual G5 team can meet some basic standards like 50k actual attendance per year and is willing to pay the players the stipends (BYU, ECU) then they can join as independents and compete for one of the 3 AL slots in the playoff.

I beg to differ the G5, Big East, WCC, and maybe the A10. The Iowa States of the world need a way to get bowl eligible. And Florida needs someone to fill in those eight home games. (150-160 teams in the New Division).

http://www.ubbullrun.com/2013/7/30/45653...on-members

For the powerful schools like Alabama and USC there is the desire to play 8 home games. The Millions of dollars per home game made at the gate, the concessions stand, and in the parking lot are too good to pass up. By some estimates Ohio State pulls in about five million dollars per home game they sell out.

The Buckeye's are going to sell out opening week games no matter who the opponent is so why not buy a game against UB and earn four million or so after the payout? It's the same thing the mid majors do with FCS teams just on a bigger scale.

The more modest P5 football programs need home games against mid majors to go bowling every once in a while. A power school like Texas sitting home happens once in a blue moon. For some of the lesser P5 schools a bowl is really something special and usually it's owned to at least one win against the G5.

Just look at Iowa State. The Cyclones have been in just three bowl games since 2005. Each of those years (2009, 2011, 2012) the Cyclones finished the season at 6-6. In 2009 they beat North Dakota (FCS), Kent (MAC), and Army. In 2011 they owed their sixth win to North Dakota State (FCS), then last season they beat Tulsa (CUSA) and Western Illinois (FCS).

As an aside their 2009 Bowl Win came over a 6-6 Minnesota team who needed to beat Air Force (MWC), and South Dakota State (FCS).

(07-29-2013 09:39 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I think you're worrying too much about being left behind. The Go5 and Big 5 wouldn't have just signed a 12 year CFP agreement if they were planning on cutting out the Go5.

The Big 5 ideally would like to call all the shots; and maybe they will. But it's far more likely they pair down Division 1 to 150 or so schools and let each division govern themselves. The FBS members and top of the FCS who are fighting to be competitive will move up. Those just skating along will get dropped to Division 2. The dividing line will be similar voting to the Big 5 for things like stipends, revised recruiting rules and desire for change in NCAA governance.

So really we may have a calling up of 20-35 FCS schools into the new division 1. That will be a lot more fun to talk about. Who makes the cut instead of who's left behind.

You are spot on. The idea of the top 60 teams or so splitting off is not likely but I see why people's brains go there if they haven't been really following along.

(07-30-2013 05:37 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(07-29-2013 08:04 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I never cease to be amazed at folks who post about UConn or West Va eventually joining the ACC as if the conferences were somehow these democratic entities with no past history. UConn will NEVER be able to overcome the 4 vote blackball to join the ACC as long as FSU, Clemson, GT, NC State, and BC are in the league. Those five will not vote for UConn, have no reason to vote for UConn and expansion takes votes. The ACC has 15 members. 75% of the membership has to vote to add you, abstentions don't help. It takes 12 votes to get in - 4 no votes blackball you. UConn nor West Va will overcome this hurdle.

What do those 5 schools have against UConn? I get BC due to the rivalry, and maybe FSU and Clemson due to UConn's lack of football prowess. But why would NC State and GT blackball UConn? I mean, what reasons does NC State and GT have to blackball UConn that Wake, VT, etc do not have?

It's lack of FB prowess. I think a lot of people do not believe UCONN has the ability to stick around long term as a competitive FB school. It's not in a good location for CFB, and with BC and Syracuse basically up there as well, it's most likely that only 2 of the 3 can survive up there. But I think the blackball is more than just those 5 schools. I would wager that VT wants no part of UCONN either since it is a FB first school. I also believe that Syracuse would blackball UCONN too due to their close proximity. I think the only schools in the ACC that would approve of UCONN outright are UNC, Duke and WF. I think the 7 schools of FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, BC, NCSU and Syracuse. The rest are likely up in the air and could go either way.