(08-18-2013 02:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here is why Oklahoma will not being going to the Big:

1. They are tied to Oklahoma State.

2. The Big 12 has the EXACT same Grant of Rights that the ACC has. If Oklahoma leaves, their media rights stay with the Big 12. It'd be worthless for the Big 10 to add them.

The way the media contracts are configured I believe that the Big 10 would be able to profit by all of the Oklahoma away games and 1 home game that has been reserved for tier 3 purposes. So while not necessarily advantageous it is still somewhat profitable for them to do so. And in sports waiting ten years for the GOR to expire would not be that big of a deal if you were landing a national brand.

(08-18-2013 02:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 02:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here is why Oklahoma will not being going to the Big:

1. They are tied to Oklahoma State.

2. The Big 12 has the EXACT same Grant of Rights that the ACC has. If Oklahoma leaves, their media rights stay with the Big 12. It'd be worthless for the Big 10 to add them.

The way the media contracts are configured I believe that the Big 10 would be able to profit by all of the Oklahoma away games and 1 home game that has been reserved for tier 3 purposes. So while not necessarily advantageous it is still somewhat profitable for them to do so. And in sports waiting ten years for the GOR to expire would not be that big of a deal if you were landing a national brand.

Kinda like a ND type deal(Profit wise).

(08-18-2013 02:50 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 02:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 02:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here is why Oklahoma will not being going to the Big:

1. They are tied to Oklahoma State.

2. The Big 12 has the EXACT same Grant of Rights that the ACC has. If Oklahoma leaves, their media rights stay with the Big 12. It'd be worthless for the Big 10 to add them.

The way the media contracts are configured I believe that the Big 10 would be able to profit by all of the Oklahoma away games and 1 home game that has been reserved for tier 3 purposes. So while not necessarily advantageous it is still somewhat profitable for them to do so. And in sports waiting ten years for the GOR to expire would not be that big of a deal if you were landing a national brand.

Kinda like a ND type deal(Profit wise).

Yep, and OU would still get paid whatever the rate was for home games in the Big 12. The GOR's are ironclad for remuneration, they are not a guarantee against movement. And, that movement can be expedited if the network bound to the contract also controls contractual rights at the new destination.

(08-18-2013 02:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here is why Oklahoma will not being going to the Big:

1. They are tied to Oklahoma State.

2. The Big 12 has the EXACT same Grant of Rights that the ACC has. If Oklahoma leaves, their media rights stay with the Big 12. It'd be worthless for the Big 10 to add them.

They aren't tied to Oklahoma State, they just cant make a move that harms Oklahoma State such as leaving them in a weakened Big 12 would do.

It is a misconception used by folks to try and portray a situation that is not as rigid as some would like it to be.

It is only worthless for the Big Ten if the Big 12 survives.

(08-18-2013 02:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 02:50 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 02:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 02:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here is why Oklahoma will not being going to the Big:

1. They are tied to Oklahoma State.

2. The Big 12 has the EXACT same Grant of Rights that the ACC has. If Oklahoma leaves, their media rights stay with the Big 12. It'd be worthless for the Big 10 to add them.

The way the media contracts are configured I believe that the Big 10 would be able to profit by all of the Oklahoma away games and 1 home game that has been reserved for tier 3 purposes. So while not necessarily advantageous it is still somewhat profitable for them to do so. And in sports waiting ten years for the GOR to expire would not be that big of a deal if you were landing a national brand.

Kinda like a ND type deal(Profit wise).

Yep, and OU would still get paid whatever the rate was for home games in the Big 12. The GOR's are ironclad for remuneration, they are not a guarantee against movement. And, that movement can be expedited if the network bound to the contract also controls contractual rights at the new destination.

Actually I believe the leaked Big 12 agreements spefically says that members leaving get nothing and the grant of rights doesn't change that.

Even if they did, I don't see the Big Ten or anyone else expanding without gaining the home TV rights. You are only talking 4-5 road games gaining and you are correspondingly loosing existing home games from several teams.

All of you are wrong. I just got off the phone with a guy who saw a post on Rivals who claims to have an insider source that has overheard a conversation from a reliable source that the Big 10 is looking to add Oregon and Miami. The Pac 12 is in talks with Kansas and Iowa State. It looks like Oklahoma and Texas are going independent and the Big XII is merging with Conference USA.

Stay tuned.

(08-18-2013 09:54 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  All of you are wrong. I just got off the phone with a guy who saw a post on Rivals who claims to have an insider source that has overheard a conversation from a reliable source that the Big 10 is looking to add Oregon and Miami. The Pac 12 is in talks with Kansas and Iowa State. It looks like Oklahoma and Texas are going independent and the Big XII is merging with Conference USA.

Stay tuned.

Thanks Miko

(08-18-2013 09:57 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 09:54 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  All of you are wrong. I just got off the phone with a guy who saw a post on Rivals who claims to have an insider source that has overheard a conversation from a reliable source that the Big 10 is looking to add Oregon and Miami. The Pac 12 is in talks with Kansas and Iowa State. It looks like Oklahoma and Texas are going independent and the Big XII is merging with Conference USA.

Stay tuned.

Thanks Miko

Just got another call. The Big 10 is in talks with Alabama.

With 70 pages of posts now and counting, I would say everyone is more that curious about the Longhorns...

(08-18-2013 10:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 09:57 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 09:54 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  All of you are wrong. I just got off the phone with a guy who saw a post on Rivals who claims to have an insider source that has overheard a conversation from a reliable source that the Big 10 is looking to add Oregon and Miami. The Pac 12 is in talks with Kansas and Iowa State. It looks like Oklahoma and Texas are going independent and the Big XII is merging with Conference USA.

Stay tuned.

Thanks Miko

Just got another call. The Big 10 is in talks with Alabama.

It is said that Alabama runs the SEC, so in a sense you are correct.

UMDNJ is a tough call. I think B1G was ready to move and would have taken Rutgers regardless. But that's in hindsight.

It certainly made Rutgers more attractive to the academic types, and that's important.

(08-18-2013 11:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 10:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 09:57 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 09:54 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  All of you are wrong. I just got off the phone with a guy who saw a post on Rivals who claims to have an insider source that has overheard a conversation from a reliable source that the Big 10 is looking to add Oregon and Miami. The Pac 12 is in talks with Kansas and Iowa State. It looks like Oklahoma and Texas are going independent and the Big XII is merging with Conference USA.

Stay tuned.

Thanks Miko

Just got another call. The Big 10 is in talks with Alabama.

It is said that Alabama runs the SEC, so in a sense you are correct.

'Bama is the crazy uncle you have to pander to at the family reunion. And 'Bama to the B1G would be music to Auburn's ears.

more like UGA and UF to the big 10? Of course, I am a huge fan of the big 10 jumping to 40 or 60 with 4 or 6 divisions of 10. Yet, the leagues don't want to consolidate since folks running the leagues would be out of jobs/power + you got political and culture considerations. On the other hand, in such a setup the "big 10" would basically replace the NCAA and each division would serve as a regional conference. How does the big 10 go about such a corporate raid? i think a full merge with the pac 10 would kick things off...that would bring its membership to 26 and than set sights on the best of the big 12 to jump to 31(texas, texas tech, ou, ok state, KU) throw in Missouri for 32. From that point the big 10 can move east and south. With the BTN in place such a setup = huge $$$ and structure for playoffs. THe problem is the powers that be would fight it.

(08-19-2013 07:05 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  UMDNJ is a tough call. I think B1G was ready to move and would have taken Rutgers regardless. But that's in hindsight.

It certainly made Rutgers more attractive to the academic types, and that's important.

Agreed. The line of communication between the two sides went back for years. As far back as the 90's I've heard.

Rutgers was in for that #14 spot as far back as the first potential Big XII meltdown that saw Nebraska and Colorado peel off. The question was really more of who #12 and #13 would be.

(08-19-2013 09:28 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 07:05 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  UMDNJ is a tough call. I think B1G was ready to move and would have taken Rutgers regardless. But that's in hindsight.

It certainly made Rutgers more attractive to the academic types, and that's important.

Agreed. The line of communication between the two sides went back for years. As far back as the 90's I've heard.

Rutgers was in for that #14 spot as far back as the first potential Big XII meltdown that saw Nebraska and Colorado peel off. The question was really more of who #12 and #13 would be.

After Notre Dame turned them down around '99 when that deal looked imminent, Rutgers was in the equation. The Big 10 was looking at 11, 12 and 14 team models. Missouri, Rutgers and Kansas were the schools they were looking at. They were public about that. Rutgers was apparently #12 or #13 in that plan.

(08-19-2013 10:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 09:28 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 07:05 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  UMDNJ is a tough call. I think B1G was ready to move and would have taken Rutgers regardless. But that's in hindsight.

It certainly made Rutgers more attractive to the academic types, and that's important.

Agreed. The line of communication between the two sides went back for years. As far back as the 90's I've heard.

Rutgers was in for that #14 spot as far back as the first potential Big XII meltdown that saw Nebraska and Colorado peel off. The question was really more of who #12 and #13 would be.

After Notre Dame turned them down around '99 when that deal looked imminent, Rutgers was in the equation. The Big 10 was looking at 11, 12 and 14 team models. Missouri, Rutgers and Kansas were the schools they were looking at. They were public about that. Rutgers was apparently #12 or #13 in that plan.

Yep. Everybody always tries to make Missouri look stupid over the B1G thing, but the B1G was blowing kisses at Missouri. They just left them at the alter when Missouri said "yes...I will marry you". Enter the Nebraska Cornhuskers... the new unexpected lover. Anyway, you make your own destiny, and Missouri has made theirs.

(08-19-2013 10:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 09:28 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 07:05 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  UMDNJ is a tough call. I think B1G was ready to move and would have taken Rutgers regardless. But that's in hindsight.

It certainly made Rutgers more attractive to the academic types, and that's important.

Agreed. The line of communication between the two sides went back for years. As far back as the 90's I've heard.

Rutgers was in for that #14 spot as far back as the first potential Big XII meltdown that saw Nebraska and Colorado peel off. The question was really more of who #12 and #13 would be.

After Notre Dame turned them down around '99 when that deal looked imminent, Rutgers was in the equation. The Big 10 was looking at 11, 12 and 14 team models. Missouri, Rutgers and Kansas were the schools they were looking at. They were public about that. Rutgers was apparently #12 or #13 in that plan.

They started their pursuit toward the end of the PSU matter, so in that sense, they pursued spot #12. They were considered during the rough, formative period leading to the Big XII, but that bloc was dependent/conditional on Nebraska and Colorado coming aboard first. It wasn't like Rutgers wasn't available. IIRC, the stadium fixes were a big part of their getting considered. Had Rutgers parked its football into the Meadowlands like Pitt and Temple were doing in their respective PA cities, RU's chances of getting into the Big Ten would be nestled between "slim" and "none."

The B1G seems to get the warm and fuzzies for programs with their own OCS, which is ridiculous because of just how much of a revenue loss those things can be. And I wonder what happens at UMD should they see their attendance significantly increase, is it really all that wise to potentially expand Byrd when M&T and FedEx are right around the corner, probably chomping at the bit to get some of those Big Ten games...

(08-19-2013 12:32 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 10:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 09:28 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 07:05 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  UMDNJ is a tough call. I think B1G was ready to move and would have taken Rutgers regardless. But that's in hindsight.

It certainly made Rutgers more attractive to the academic types, and that's important.

Agreed. The line of communication between the two sides went back for years. As far back as the 90's I've heard.

Rutgers was in for that #14 spot as far back as the first potential Big XII meltdown that saw Nebraska and Colorado peel off. The question was really more of who #12 and #13 would be.

After Notre Dame turned them down around '99 when that deal looked imminent, Rutgers was in the equation. The Big 10 was looking at 11, 12 and 14 team models. Missouri, Rutgers and Kansas were the schools they were looking at. They were public about that. Rutgers was apparently #12 or #13 in that plan.

Yep. Everybody always tries to make Missouri look stupid over the B1G thing, but the B1G was blowing kisses at Missouri. They just left them at the alter when Missouri said "yes...I will marry you". Enter the Nebraska Cornhuskers... the new unexpected lover. Anyway, you make your own destiny, and Missouri has made theirs.

I think that Missouri made the right call for them.

(08-18-2013 09:54 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  All of you are wrong. I just got off the phone with a guy who saw a post on Rivals who claims to have an insider source that has overheard a conversation from a reliable source that the Big 10 is looking to add Oregon and Miami. The Pac 12 is in talks with Kansas and Iowa State. It looks like Oklahoma and Texas are going independent and the Big XII is merging with Conference USA.

Stay tuned.

overheard, did he have a cup to his ear with a long string attached. Come on !! Hey, I got something, I heard a housekeeper tell a clerk at the Big 12 offices that the Big 12 is moving it's office to the same building as C-USA. Wow, is that a coincidence or what !!!!

get off the stupid rumors. Your only hurting your own reputation which is marginal to begin with. You have no idea how ridiculous your comments sound. Talk about credibility ????

(08-18-2013 02:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here is why Oklahoma will not being going to the Big:

1. They are tied to Oklahoma State.

2. The Big 12 has the EXACT same Grant of Rights that the ACC has. If Oklahoma leaves, their media rights stay with the Big 12. It'd be worthless for the Big 10 to add them.

Makes literally no sense whatsoever !!!!