when will the madness stop?

I'm trying to distill the first mention of this.

This information isn't originating with the Dude of WV, but that doesn't mean he isn't hopping on the band wagon.

The players appear to be two SEPARATE insiders that frequent the OSU scout board.

Then, there are insiders on the Ohio State 247 board also claiming to be privy to the Big Ten/Texas talks.

I know one of the Scout insiders is as credible as an insider could be on a message board (which means everything he says should be looked at really critically and with a healthy dose of skepticism!).

It could be that the Dennis Dodd article emboldened some of these people, or that they use it as an excuse to foment certain rumors.

(08-04-2013 08:51 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  If B1G expands from the Big 12, no one will want the Big 12 leftovers. Their options will be limited. They could:

1) remain together in an 8 school conference,
2) join the AAC,
3) join the MWC.

No one wanted them in the early stages of this overall big picture. Everyone was trying to get the best combination of schools possible.

All of that changes though a soon as we have this new division. Suddenly these conferences will be able to push through new rules that they have been wanting for years.

They are going to be looking for expansion options due to the vast amount of money that will suddenly be right in front of them. When that happens, programs that appeared to not be valuable enough will be valuable in light of these new capabilities for these conferences.

They couldn't take those programs until this New Division happens. I know not everyone is going to understand that, perhaps folks do not understand the true difference between the old system and this new one that we are on the precipice of but its a big deal.

(08-04-2013 08:25 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Man, I stay away for a day or two and only to return to this bombshell..

I tend to think more along the lines of JRSec's thinking in that Texas likely using this B1G negotiations to manipulate ESPN. ESPN does not want to lose Texas to FOX.

What will likely happen is one of:

a) Texas is ACC member #16 with an "ND arrangement", or

b) Texas is ACC member #16 with an "ND arrangement" along with Kansas joining the ACC in all sports. This is something I have heard before. Boy, the timing of that recent ESPN announcement that they purchased Kansas' tier-3 basketball rights is something, ain't it?

Never discount the connection of North Carolina basketball and Kansas basketball.

And, if Texas is concerned about one of its in-state fellows, the ACC can easily absorb Baylor, who would fit right in with private-school culture of league.

Somewhere, John Swofford is preparing his "ninja" gear to make another shocking move...

I would have to think this scenario would immediately put the ACC higher up the Power Conference ranks. In football, every school would play either ND or TX every year. Meaning every other year, you'd play one of them at home. In basketball that gives the ACC, what, 5 of the Top 8 all time basketball programs in one conference. (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...es/count/1)

On top of that, the Long Horn Network could easily morph into the ACC Network.

(08-04-2013 08:51 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  If B1G expands from the Big 12, no one will want the Big 12 leftovers. Their options will be limited. They could:

1) remain together in an 8 school conference,
2) join the AAC,
3) join the MWC.

or cherry pick the AAC and MWC.

(08-04-2013 08:08 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 03:14 AM)GoCougars Wrote:  Houston to the PAC 12. Better market and academics than Tech.

LOL. With that huge TV market, how much is UH earning in the AAC? How much are they earning on their Tier 3 deals? How are UH's graduation rates?

Thanks for playing.

Says a lottery winner.

(08-04-2013 09:47 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 08:51 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  If B1G expands from the Big 12, no one will want the Big 12 leftovers. Their options will be limited. They could:

1) remain together in an 8 school conference,
2) join the AAC,
3) join the MWC.

or cherry pick the AAC and MWC.

This would seem more likely. Everyone has heard the rumors that FOX has wanted content in Florida. This scenario would give them opportunity with UCF/USF backfilling OU/UT. Obviously UCF/USF don't equal the loss of an OU/UT, but it does create potential, and opportunity with FOX. Add Cincy and Memphis/ECU to this and you create an interesting opportunity. Big12 brand name is obviously better than the AAC and the MWC, at the moment. Or, maybe Big12 and AAC work a merger?

(08-04-2013 09:43 AM)krux Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 08:25 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Man, I stay away for a day or two and only to return to this bombshell..

I tend to think more along the lines of JRSec's thinking in that Texas likely using this B1G negotiations to manipulate ESPN. ESPN does not want to lose Texas to FOX.

What will likely happen is one of:

a) Texas is ACC member #16 with an "ND arrangement", or

b) Texas is ACC member #16 with an "ND arrangement" along with Kansas joining the ACC in all sports. This is something I have heard before. Boy, the timing of that recent ESPN announcement that they purchased Kansas' tier-3 basketball rights is something, ain't it?

Never discount the connection of North Carolina basketball and Kansas basketball.

And, if Texas is concerned about one of its in-state fellows, the ACC can easily absorb Baylor, who would fit right in with private-school culture of league.

Somewhere, John Swofford is preparing his "ninja" gear to make another shocking move...

I would have to think this scenario would immediately put the ACC higher up the Power Conference ranks. In football, every school would play either ND or TX every year. Meaning every other year, you'd play one of them at home. In basketball that gives the ACC, what, 5 of the Top 8 all time basketball programs in one conference. (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...es/count/1)

On top of that, the Long Horn Network could easily morph into the ACC Network.

Do you really think that Texas will give up the Long Horn Network that easily? There will have to be some bargaining on the ACC's part should this ever happen.

(08-04-2013 09:58 AM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 09:43 AM)krux Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 08:25 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Man, I stay away for a day or two and only to return to this bombshell..

I tend to think more along the lines of JRSec's thinking in that Texas likely using this B1G negotiations to manipulate ESPN. ESPN does not want to lose Texas to FOX.

What will likely happen is one of:

a) Texas is ACC member #16 with an "ND arrangement", or

b) Texas is ACC member #16 with an "ND arrangement" along with Kansas joining the ACC in all sports. This is something I have heard before. Boy, the timing of that recent ESPN announcement that they purchased Kansas' tier-3 basketball rights is something, ain't it?

Never discount the connection of North Carolina basketball and Kansas basketball.

And, if Texas is concerned about one of its in-state fellows, the ACC can easily absorb Baylor, who would fit right in with private-school culture of league.

Somewhere, John Swofford is preparing his "ninja" gear to make another shocking move...

I would have to think this scenario would immediately put the ACC higher up the Power Conference ranks. In football, every school would play either ND or TX every year. Meaning every other year, you'd play one of them at home. In basketball that gives the ACC, what, 5 of the Top 8 all time basketball programs in one conference. (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...es/count/1)

On top of that, the Long Horn Network could easily morph into the ACC Network.

Do you really think that Texas will give up the Long Horn Network that easily? There will have to be some bargaining on the ACC's part should this ever happen.

Maybe not easily. I'm just saying, it's a transitional option. You never know, the ACC Network could have 2 sub channels. You could have the main ACC Network and then something like ACCN Shamrock and ACCN Long Horn.

You could set it up to where ND and UT get the revenue of the conference but the ACC Network gets naming rights. That would be a good marketing strategy to drive viewers to the main station IMO.

Could one way out of the Big 12's GOR be to simply find everyone a home and dissolve the conference?

Maybe Texas knows that if they go to the B1G or ACC with either KU or OU, that school X and Y will immediately go to Conference Z and at that point school A and B will join Conference C. Leaving only 4 teams in the Big 12 and which no longer qualifies as a conference no GOR to break.

(08-04-2013 09:05 AM)john01992 Wrote:  at the end of the day a pac 16 would have been nice. but i think larry scott would have been perfectly happy to settle with utah/colorado. both have under rated academics, a great football history thats over looked, and are flagship land grants with large cities in their footprints. plus these two schools are such natural partners that i dont think any other conference added a pair of schools that compliment each other so well the way these two do.

the pac got its ccg, a huge tv contract. and added a bunch of schools that were not too far removed from its pacific roots. colorado was more of a pac school than a b12 school. their alumni is based on the west coast, most of their out of state students are from the west coast, and they recruit out of the west coast.

the pac 12 expanded, got rich, an didnt have to sell its traditional heritage the way the b10, b12, & acc did

at the end of the day theres no way larry scott is losing sleep over this.

The University of Colorado is not a land grant school. Colorado State is the land grant school for Colorado. The same for Utah. Utah State is land grant. UU is not.

(08-04-2013 09:43 AM)krux Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 08:25 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Man, I stay away for a day or two and only to return to this bombshell..

I tend to think more along the lines of JRSec's thinking in that Texas likely using this B1G negotiations to manipulate ESPN. ESPN does not want to lose Texas to FOX.

What will likely happen is one of:

a) Texas is ACC member #16 with an "ND arrangement", or

b) Texas is ACC member #16 with an "ND arrangement" along with Kansas joining the ACC in all sports. This is something I have heard before. Boy, the timing of that recent ESPN announcement that they purchased Kansas' tier-3 basketball rights is something, ain't it?

Never discount the connection of North Carolina basketball and Kansas basketball.

And, if Texas is concerned about one of its in-state fellows, the ACC can easily absorb Baylor, who would fit right in with private-school culture of league.

Somewhere, John Swofford is preparing his "ninja" gear to make another shocking move...

I would have to think this scenario would immediately put the ACC higher up the Power Conference ranks. In football, every school would play either ND or TX every year. Meaning every other year, you'd play one of them at home. In basketball that gives the ACC, what, 5 of the Top 8 all time basketball programs in one conference. (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...es/count/1)

On top of that, the Long Horn Network could easily morph into the ACC Network.

Yeah, the ACC schools would all get Texas and Notre Dame on their schedules, but wouldn't they actually have to win some of those games to move up higher in the power conference ranks? They haven't been very good at that lately . . . or ever.

In the mean time SEC teams are preparing to continue the dominance.

(08-04-2013 10:07 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 09:05 AM)john01992 Wrote:  at the end of the day a pac 16 would have been nice. but i think larry scott would have been perfectly happy to settle with utah/colorado. both have under rated academics, a great football history thats over looked, and are flagship land grants with large cities in their footprints. plus these two schools are such natural partners that i dont think any other conference added a pair of schools that compliment each other so well the way these two do.

the pac got its ccg, a huge tv contract. and added a bunch of schools that were not too far removed from its pacific roots. colorado was more of a pac school than a b12 school. their alumni is based on the west coast, most of their out of state students are from the west coast, and they recruit out of the west coast.

the pac 12 expanded, got rich, an didnt have to sell its traditional heritage the way the b10, b12, & acc did

at the end of the day theres no way larry scott is losing sleep over this.

The University of Colorado is not a land grant school. Colorado State is the land grant school for Colorado. The same for Utah. Utah State is land grant. UU is not.

Not only that, but it has to be a first when 2 schools 500 miles apart are described as "natural partners". Or when a school like Colorado, 1200 miles from SanFrancisco and 1000 miles from LA, is described as "not too far removed from its Pacific roots".

Oh well, I guess that's realignment talk in college sports.

Ok, I just read the thread in question. It's literally all surrounding the Dude's tweets. The "trusted OSU insider" only posted once in the thread and it was "I'm out of town, I'll put in a call though."

Here's the link. http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Board/120...20319191/1

(08-04-2013 09:38 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 08:51 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  If B1G expands from the Big 12, no one will want the Big 12 leftovers. Their options will be limited. They could:

1) remain together in an 8 school conference,
2) join the AAC,
3) join the MWC.

No one wanted them in the early stages of this overall big picture. Everyone was trying to get the best combination of schools possible.

All of that changes though a soon as we have this new division. Suddenly these conferences will be able to push through new rules that they have been wanting for years.

They are going to be looking for expansion options due to the vast amount of money that will suddenly be right in front of them. When that happens, programs that appeared to not be valuable enough will be valuable in light of these new capabilities for these conferences.

They couldn't take those programs until this New Division happens. I know not everyone is going to understand that, perhaps folks do not understand the true difference between the old system and this new one that we are on the precipice of but its a big deal.

Ok , I have just a few questions about this for you. First of all, would it not be Oklahoma that would go with Texas to the B1G It is the next strongest brand out there and would reunite Oklahoma and Nebraska . This would seem to be the best option all around and the west side of the B1G would look alot like the old Big 12. Do you think the B1G would expand past sixteen? I just can't see it going past that number , too many schools and too long a ladder for the lower schools in the conference to climb . What would become of the rest of the conference ? I do not see Kansas and Iowa St. as either SEC or Pac12 schools ,I can see either Oak ST. or Texas Tech in the west ,but not both . The other add to the SEC would have to come from the east and I just do not see WV in that level . There just seems to be too a large geographical divide between the majority of current Pac 12 schools and the states left over in the B12 . I can see The ACC adding WV and UCONN to get to sixteen but would there still not be a large threat of the SEC going after a school like VT or NCST? Where would they backfill the next school from?

(08-04-2013 10:39 AM)FUB Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 09:38 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 08:51 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  If B1G expands from the Big 12, no one will want the Big 12 leftovers. Their options will be limited. They could:

1) remain together in an 8 school conference,
2) join the AAC,
3) join the MWC.

No one wanted them in the early stages of this overall big picture. Everyone was trying to get the best combination of schools possible.

All of that changes though a soon as we have this new division. Suddenly these conferences will be able to push through new rules that they have been wanting for years.

They are going to be looking for expansion options due to the vast amount of money that will suddenly be right in front of them. When that happens, programs that appeared to not be valuable enough will be valuable in light of these new capabilities for these conferences.

They couldn't take those programs until this New Division happens. I know not everyone is going to understand that, perhaps folks do not understand the true difference between the old system and this new one that we are on the precipice of but its a big deal.

Ok , I have just a few questions about this for you. First of all, would it not be Oaklahoma that would go with Texas to the B1G It is the next strongest brand out there and would reunite Oaklahoma and Nebraska . This would seem to be the best option all around and the west side of the B1G would look alot like the old Big 12. Do you think the B1G would expand past sixteen? I just can't see it going past that number , too many schools and too long a ladder for the lower schools in the conference to climb . What would become of the rest of the conference ? I do not see Kansas and Iowa St. as either SEC or Pac12 schools ,I can see either Oak ST. or Texas Tech in the west ,but not both . The other add to the SEC would have to come from the east and I just do not see WV in that level . There just seems to be too a large geographical divide between the majority of current Pac 12 schools and the states left over in the B12 . I can see The ACC adding WV and UCONN to get to sixteen but would there still not be a large threat of the SEC going after a school like VT or NCST? Where would they backfill the next school from?

WTF is "Oaklahoma?"

Did you mean Oklahoma?

That said, where's the Texas insider news here? Chip Brown? Chuck Carlton? Where are their reports?

(08-04-2013 08:08 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 03:14 AM)GoCougars Wrote:  Houston to the PAC 12. Better market and academics than Tech.

LOL. With that huge TV market, how much is UH earning in the AAC? How much are they earning on their Tier 3 deals? How are UH's graduation rates?

Thanks for playing.

Lol. The same amount mighty Tech would earn if they were in the AAC. Get back to me when you win a football championship. Whats it been, nearly 40 years?

(08-04-2013 10:46 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 10:39 AM)FUB Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 09:38 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-04-2013 08:51 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  If B1G expands from the Big 12, no one will want the Big 12 leftovers. Their options will be limited. They could:

1) remain together in an 8 school conference,
2) join the AAC,
3) join the MWC.

No one wanted them in the early stages of this overall big picture. Everyone was trying to get the best combination of schools possible.

All of that changes though a soon as we have this new division. Suddenly these conferences will be able to push through new rules that they have been wanting for years.

They are going to be looking for expansion options due to the vast amount of money that will suddenly be right in front of them. When that happens, programs that appeared to not be valuable enough will be valuable in light of these new capabilities for these conferences.

They couldn't take those programs until this New Division happens. I know not everyone is going to understand that, perhaps folks do not understand the true difference between the old system and this new one that we are on the precipice of but its a big deal.

Ok , I have just a few questions about this for you. First of all, would it not be Oklahoma that would go with Texas to the B1G It is the next strongest brand out there and would reunite Oklahoma and Nebraska . This would seem to be the best option all around and the west side of the B1G would look alot like the old Big 12. Do you think the B1G would expand past sixteen? I just can't see it going past that number , too many schools and too long a ladder for the lower schools in the conference to climb . What would become of the rest of the conference ? I do not see Kansas and Iowa St. as either SEC or Pac12 schools ,I can see either Oak ST. or Texas Tech in the west ,but not both . The other add to the SEC would have to come from the east and I just do not see WV in that level . There just seems to be too a large geographical divide between the majority of current Pac 12 schools and the states left over in the B12 . I can see The ACC adding WV and UCONN to get to sixteen but would there still not be a large threat of the SEC going after a school like VT or NCST? Where would they backfill the next school from?

WTF is "Oaklahoma?"

Did you mean Oklahoma?

That said, where's the Texas insider news here? Chip Brown? Chuck Carlton? Where are their reports?

WTF difference does it make if I fat finger the typing of the school ,it does not change the fact they are the next best option. Thanks for looking out for me though I will go back and edit for you

Oklahomo