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How did we get on Ohio?

The American has a meager TV pie and plenty of mouths to feed aleady. It needs teams that help make the TV contract bigger. And help with bowls.

Assuming BYU is out of the picture, Army and Air Force are about the only schools out there that help us on both the bowl and TV front.

Not UMass. Not Old Dominion. Not Ohio. Not Southern Miss.

It's either Air Force/Army or bust. Which means it may be bust. The secret would be Army. Get them to join Navy, and I think AF would follow.
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One thing that has marked this round of realignment has been a strong "I don't want to be with them" sentiment.

Schools are avoiding adding anyone very nearby foregoing the regional rivalry concept that drove the MWC creation.

Taking that sentiment into account. I'd say you can eliminate the following schools (without bothering to analyze whether they would even be on radar otherwise):
UMass, FIU, FAU, Miami (OH), Ball State, Middle Tennessee State, Arkansas State, Southern Miss, ULM, La.Tech, Louisiana, Texas State, Texas-San Antonio, North Texas. Probably can also eliminate Toledo, Akron, Kent, Ohio, and Bowling Green.

14 works best if two are football only so one offsets Navy. I would think Air Force is highly unlikely. They weren't interested when the then Big East was projecting a larger TV deal.

My guess would be Army football only, Northern Illinois all sports.
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(09-09-2013 10:33 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Why UAB?, bowl game- get espn to work sec tie, easy access with airport, geography works, city school with history to some of the other school's.
UAB needs an on-campus stadium first.

Unless a school has Southern Cal-type of national following, I suspect that an OCS will be an absolute requirement for the AAC from here on out.
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(09-09-2013 01:58 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The American has a meager TV pie and plenty of mouths to feed aleady. It needs teams that help make the TV contract bigger. And help with bowls.

TV money is not everything. Seeking ONLY Tv money was a flawed part of the BE expansion.
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I don't think anything, certainly not just Army joining the American, will prompt AFA to leave the MWC. AFA would not join the former Big East back before all the last round of defections... and they get to play Army and Navy every year anyway.
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The only reason to expand would be if you knew ahead of time that you were going to be in the new D4 and that the powers that be asked you to specifically add in certain teams. The money is spread very thin already - and that's a big reason why people are questioning the adds of Tulane, Tulsa, and Navy.
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(09-09-2013 02:52 PM)Bull Wrote:  I don't think anything, certainly not just Army joining the American, will prompt AFA to leave the MWC. AFA would not join the former Big East back before all the last round of defections... and they get to play Army and Navy every year anyway.

IIRC their resistance was due to what would happen to their other sports. Now that the WAC no longer sponsors football, it may not be as big an issue.

That said, in order for that to work, you have to do some other things. Perhaps a full 16 team league with 2 or 3 other western teams (2 if Army comes along, 3 if not). And that causes other problems because I think for expansion to be beneficial, the league needs to look beyond trying to add teams with slightly below average football results, and see what else is out there that could make money.
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(09-09-2013 02:53 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The only reason to expand would be if you knew ahead of time that you were going to be in the new D4 and that the powers that be asked you to specifically add in certain teams. The money is spread very thin already - and that's a big reason why people are questioning the adds of Tulane, Tulsa, and Navy.

Then they won't expand because the D4 breakaway is fantasy.

The talk right now is changing the structure to give all conferences a vote and an elite group (to be determined whether it will be P5, FBS, or FBS + some top hoop leagues) will have veto power over anything enacted.
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(09-09-2013 03:15 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 02:53 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The only reason to expand would be if you knew ahead of time that you were going to be in the new D4 and that the powers that be asked you to specifically add in certain teams. The money is spread very thin already - and that's a big reason why people are questioning the adds of Tulane, Tulsa, and Navy.

Then they won't expand because the D4 breakaway is fantasy.

The talk right now is changing the structure to give all conferences a vote and an elite group (to be determined whether it will be P5, FBS, or FBS + some top hoop leagues) will have veto power over anything enacted.

Agree with you there.

Also think that with the 12 million base payout for each G5 conference that you aren't going to find much rationale for expanding a conference beyond 12.

CUSA jumped the gun and moved to 14 in error. The MAC was already up a creek with Temple's membership and that needed balancing which ultimately got them stuck with UMass and 13 again. If UMass could just move its act to the SBC that would solve realignment for 2 G5 conferences.
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(09-09-2013 02:09 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  One thing that has marked this round of realignment has been a strong "I don't want to be with them" sentiment.

Schools are avoiding adding anyone very nearby foregoing the regional rivalry concept that drove the MWC creation.

Taking that sentiment into account. I'd say you can eliminate the following schools (without bothering to analyze whether they would even be on radar otherwise):
UMass, FIU, FAU, Miami (OH), Ball State, Middle Tennessee State, Arkansas State, Southern Miss, ULM, La.Tech, Louisiana, Texas State, Texas-San Antonio, North Texas. Probably can also eliminate Toledo, Akron, Kent, Ohio, and Bowling Green.

14 works best if two are football only so one offsets Navy. I would think Air Force is highly unlikely. They weren't interested when the then Big East was projecting a larger TV deal.

My guess would be Army football only, Northern Illinois all sports.

I've thrown a few names around here but my guess since the AAC has to balance its membership geographically and after a strong FB/BB fan base the next school in is probably Rice due to academics. Athletically it doesn't make the most sense but this is classically how the AAC thinks about expansion.

Northern Illinois wouldn't be a bad move since they could fit into the Central Timezone along with Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, SMU and Houston but I'm afraid with that lower academic profile and paltry attendance (especially in basketball) it might scare off the AAC.
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(09-09-2013 01:55 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 01:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 01:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 11:44 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 11:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I wonder for Aresco what he's looking for- is it primarily football or basketball? If it's basketball but respectable in football, I think that knocks out NIU and even UMass. I think Ohio would become a huge factor.

The problem with Ohio is fan support. They've got their crap together on the field and court though. Another question is would they leave the MAC?

They have decent fan support. Their football stadium only holds 24K and they sell close to capacity. They have shattered their basketball attendance records the past couple seasons. IIRC they led the MAC in both footbal and basketball.

I don't see any reason for them to leave the MAC however unless the American got a huge pay raise. All of their current opponents are within a bus ride of the team and fans which keep costs down. They are not going to end in some cases a century of playing certain schools to play schools in Texas, Oklahoma or Florida.

I think they would leave in an instant. The money more than doubles what the MAC makes. But the kicker would be---all their football games on national tv (ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPN-U/ESPN-News/CBS-Sports) and virtually every home conference basketball game broadcast nationally on those same networks. That exposure is worth it all by itself even if the earned the exact same money. That exposure would become a very nice recruiting advantage for Ohio and would be a big deal in growing their fan base.

As an Ohio Bobcat expert, I can say that any TV deal would have to be able to offset 1.2 million dollars of increased travel costs for leaving a bus league AND be enough to support raising the salaries of Ohio FB/BB coaches from 800k a year to the 2.8 million range expected in the AAC.

Its my opinion that the time to join the AAC isn't right now for Ohio....the time is in 2020 once the AAC builds up a war chest of basketball money from runs in the NCAAs. Ohio is scheduled to complete a basketball practice facility by that date and would be ready to roll in the AAC.

The Ohio campus is also getting a major upgrade in dormitory housing over the next 5 years which should make the school a real gem.

Of course by 2020 though what will AAC membership look like? Will Cincinnati still be there? Does it matter at that point?

Some of my thinking here is that once UC and UConn head for $$$ pastures that the AAC may reload in the East with Ohio, Buffalo and UMass. Given that Ohio is FB rivals with Buffalo and UMass plus Temple from their days in the MAC I can see a lot of interest in trying to reload with Ohio.

The AAC teams get a bit over 2 million a year. Right now, the media money for Ohio is about 100K. That probably take care of the travel budget issues right there. Additionally, the new BCS deal will put another million in Ohio's budget. At worst its break even. As for coaching salaries, each school pays their coach what they want to pay their coach. We are paying ours less than a million. Im sure many coaches in the AAC wont be making 2.8 million.

Frankly, I seriously doubt we are adding anyone. If we were smart, we would add VCU and UMass for basketball. Apparently we are not interested in doing that. I think adding VCU and UMass olympics would solidify and already solid basketball line up. Like I said, if theres not a no-brainer football addition thats ready, I'd just assume stay at 13 if Army comes aboard. The MAC functions just fine with 13. No reason to force something that might be before its time. Despite their current woes, the school that I think is worth considering is S Miss. They have the best attendance and most consistent athletic department in the region.
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(09-09-2013 04:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 01:55 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 01:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 01:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 11:44 AM)Chappy Wrote:  The problem with Ohio is fan support. They've got their crap together on the field and court though. Another question is would they leave the MAC?

They have decent fan support. Their football stadium only holds 24K and they sell close to capacity. They have shattered their basketball attendance records the past couple seasons. IIRC they led the MAC in both footbal and basketball.

I don't see any reason for them to leave the MAC however unless the American got a huge pay raise. All of their current opponents are within a bus ride of the team and fans which keep costs down. They are not going to end in some cases a century of playing certain schools to play schools in Texas, Oklahoma or Florida.

I think they would leave in an instant. The money more than doubles what the MAC makes. But the kicker would be---all their football games on national tv (ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPN-U/ESPN-News/CBS-Sports) and virtually every home conference basketball game broadcast nationally on those same networks. That exposure is worth it all by itself even if the earned the exact same money. That exposure would become a very nice recruiting advantage for Ohio and would be a big deal in growing their fan base.

As an Ohio Bobcat expert, I can say that any TV deal would have to be able to offset 1.2 million dollars of increased travel costs for leaving a bus league AND be enough to support raising the salaries of Ohio FB/BB coaches from 800k a year to the 2.8 million range expected in the AAC.

Its my opinion that the time to join the AAC isn't right now for Ohio....the time is in 2020 once the AAC builds up a war chest of basketball money from runs in the NCAAs. Ohio is scheduled to complete a basketball practice facility by that date and would be ready to roll in the AAC.

The Ohio campus is also getting a major upgrade in dormitory housing over the next 5 years which should make the school a real gem.

Of course by 2020 though what will AAC membership look like? Will Cincinnati still be there? Does it matter at that point?

Some of my thinking here is that once UC and UConn head for $$$ pastures that the AAC may reload in the East with Ohio, Buffalo and UMass. Given that Ohio is FB rivals with Buffalo and UMass plus Temple from their days in the MAC I can see a lot of interest in trying to reload with Ohio.

The AAC teams get a bit over 2 million a year. Right now, the media money for Ohio is about 100K. That probably take care of the travel budget issues right there. Additionally, the new BCS deal will put another million in Ohio's budget. At worst its break even. As for coaching salaries, each school pays their coach what they want to pay their coach. We are paying ours less than a million. Im sure many coaches in the AAC wont be making 2.8 million.

Frankly, I seriously doubt we are adding anyone. If we were smart, we would add VCU and UMass for basketball. Apparently we are not interested in doing that. I think adding VCU and UMass olympics would solidify and already solid basketball line up. Like I said, if theres not a no-brainer football addition thats ready, I'd just assume stay at 13 if Army comes aboard. The MAC functions just fine with 13. No reason to force something that might be before its time. Despite their current woes, the school that I think is worth considering is S Miss. They have the best attendance and most consistent athletic department in the region.

If the AAC turns out to be very good like some of us expect than that the value is going to shoot up significantly for the next contract.
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(09-09-2013 05:34 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 04:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 01:55 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 01:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 01:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  They have decent fan support. Their football stadium only holds 24K and they sell close to capacity. They have shattered their basketball attendance records the past couple seasons. IIRC they led the MAC in both footbal and basketball.

I don't see any reason for them to leave the MAC however unless the American got a huge pay raise. All of their current opponents are within a bus ride of the team and fans which keep costs down. They are not going to end in some cases a century of playing certain schools to play schools in Texas, Oklahoma or Florida.

I think they would leave in an instant. The money more than doubles what the MAC makes. But the kicker would be---all their football games on national tv (ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPN-U/ESPN-News/CBS-Sports) and virtually every home conference basketball game broadcast nationally on those same networks. That exposure is worth it all by itself even if the earned the exact same money. That exposure would become a very nice recruiting advantage for Ohio and would be a big deal in growing their fan base.

As an Ohio Bobcat expert, I can say that any TV deal would have to be able to offset 1.2 million dollars of increased travel costs for leaving a bus league AND be enough to support raising the salaries of Ohio FB/BB coaches from 800k a year to the 2.8 million range expected in the AAC.

Its my opinion that the time to join the AAC isn't right now for Ohio....the time is in 2020 once the AAC builds up a war chest of basketball money from runs in the NCAAs. Ohio is scheduled to complete a basketball practice facility by that date and would be ready to roll in the AAC.

The Ohio campus is also getting a major upgrade in dormitory housing over the next 5 years which should make the school a real gem.

Of course by 2020 though what will AAC membership look like? Will Cincinnati still be there? Does it matter at that point?

Some of my thinking here is that once UC and UConn head for $$$ pastures that the AAC may reload in the East with Ohio, Buffalo and UMass. Given that Ohio is FB rivals with Buffalo and UMass plus Temple from their days in the MAC I can see a lot of interest in trying to reload with Ohio.

The AAC teams get a bit over 2 million a year. Right now, the media money for Ohio is about 100K. That probably take care of the travel budget issues right there. Additionally, the new BCS deal will put another million in Ohio's budget. At worst its break even. As for coaching salaries, each school pays their coach what they want to pay their coach. We are paying ours less than a million. Im sure many coaches in the AAC wont be making 2.8 million.

Frankly, I seriously doubt we are adding anyone. If we were smart, we would add VCU and UMass for basketball. Apparently we are not interested in doing that. I think adding VCU and UMass olympics would solidify and already solid basketball line up. Like I said, if theres not a no-brainer football addition thats ready, I'd just assume stay at 13 if Army comes aboard. The MAC functions just fine with 13. No reason to force something that might be before its time. Despite their current woes, the school that I think is worth considering is S Miss. They have the best attendance and most consistent athletic department in the region.

If the AAC turns out to be very good like some of us expect than that the value is going to shoot up significantly for the next contract.

That would be awesome. However, I was just trying to point out that the difference between the current MAC contract and the current AAC contract would likely provide Ohio with enough additional money to take care of the extra travel expenses. That really goes for any MAC team that might possibly be considered. In think monetarily, its probably close to a wash. The real question would be whether an Ohio or NIU type MAC school would want to leave its long time rivals in exchange for better TV exposure playing teams from farther away.

Ive said that I could see Rice, with its well known name and great academic pedigree, being the counter balance in the west for Army---but it doesn't do a lot for the leagues business model. Its a small private school with a very small fan base that doubles down on a market the league already has representation in. Plus, adding another CUSA team (even if it is an ex-SWC school), tends to add to the growing perception that the AAC is just the old CUSA with a new name. Turning to the MAC for a school might be done simply to avoid adding another CUSA school (a move that I'm sure would prompt Banowsky to send Aresco a nice bottle of wine). Just curious, is Buffalo the only AAU member in the MAC? Its the only one Im aware of.

I'll say this. I think if any MAC school was consistently drawing crowds near 30K, had pretty solid academics, and enjoyed some on field success, they might become very attractive to a league trying not be perceived as a clone of the old CUSA.
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(09-09-2013 06:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 05:34 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 04:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 01:55 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 01:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think they would leave in an instant. The money more than doubles what the MAC makes. But the kicker would be---all their football games on national tv (ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPN-U/ESPN-News/CBS-Sports) and virtually every home conference basketball game broadcast nationally on those same networks. That exposure is worth it all by itself even if the earned the exact same money. That exposure would become a very nice recruiting advantage for Ohio and would be a big deal in growing their fan base.

As an Ohio Bobcat expert, I can say that any TV deal would have to be able to offset 1.2 million dollars of increased travel costs for leaving a bus league AND be enough to support raising the salaries of Ohio FB/BB coaches from 800k a year to the 2.8 million range expected in the AAC.

Its my opinion that the time to join the AAC isn't right now for Ohio....the time is in 2020 once the AAC builds up a war chest of basketball money from runs in the NCAAs. Ohio is scheduled to complete a basketball practice facility by that date and would be ready to roll in the AAC.

The Ohio campus is also getting a major upgrade in dormitory housing over the next 5 years which should make the school a real gem.

Of course by 2020 though what will AAC membership look like? Will Cincinnati still be there? Does it matter at that point?

Some of my thinking here is that once UC and UConn head for $$$ pastures that the AAC may reload in the East with Ohio, Buffalo and UMass. Given that Ohio is FB rivals with Buffalo and UMass plus Temple from their days in the MAC I can see a lot of interest in trying to reload with Ohio.

The AAC teams get a bit over 2 million a year. Right now, the media money for Ohio is about 100K. That probably take care of the travel budget issues right there. Additionally, the new BCS deal will put another million in Ohio's budget. At worst its break even. As for coaching salaries, each school pays their coach what they want to pay their coach. We are paying ours less than a million. Im sure many coaches in the AAC wont be making 2.8 million.

Frankly, I seriously doubt we are adding anyone. If we were smart, we would add VCU and UMass for basketball. Apparently we are not interested in doing that. I think adding VCU and UMass olympics would solidify and already solid basketball line up. Like I said, if theres not a no-brainer football addition thats ready, I'd just assume stay at 13 if Army comes aboard. The MAC functions just fine with 13. No reason to force something that might be before its time. Despite their current woes, the school that I think is worth considering is S Miss. They have the best attendance and most consistent athletic department in the region.

If the AAC turns out to be very good like some of us expect than that the value is going to shoot up significantly for the next contract.

That would be awesome. However, I was just trying to point out that the difference between the current MAC contract and the current AAC contract would likely provide Ohio with enough additional money to take care of the extra travel expenses. That really goes for any MAC team that might possibly be considered. In think monetarily, its probably close to a wash. The real question would be whether an Ohio or NIU type MAC school would want to leave its long time rivals in exchange for better TV exposure playing teams from farther away.

Ive said that I could see Rice, with its well known name and great academic pedigree, being the counter balance in the west for Army---but it doesn't do a lot for the leagues business model. Its a small private school with a very small fan base that doubles down on a market the league already has representation in. Plus, adding another CUSA team (even if it is an ex-SWC school), tends to add to the growing perception that the AAC is just the old CUSA with a new name. Turning to the MAC for a school might be done simply to avoid adding another CUSA school (a move that I'm sure would prompt Banowsky to send Aresco a nice bottle of wine). Just curious, is Buffalo the only AAU member in the MAC? Its the only one Im aware of.

I'll say this. I think if any MAC school was consistently drawing crowds near 30K, had pretty solid academics, and enjoyed some on field success, they might become very attractive to a league trying not be perceived as a clone of the old CUSA.

Ohio is the shot here because they are trying to push attendance up to 30k, and the endowment is now close to 700 million (tops in the MAC) after the last fundraising drive.

I still believe the cash in the AAC needs to more upfront and also have the conference build some tradition by winning a few CFP bowls before we'll be more comfortable with the idea.

Ohio had some interest in CUSA pre-realigment but after all the moves to that conference its rendered a move there obsolete.
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Could the AAC be looking at Ohio if it is expecting Cincinnati to ride off to a P5 conference?
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(09-09-2013 09:48 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  In two recent interviews, American commish Mike Aresco has mentioned the possibility of going to 14 schools.

Army's TV deal with CBS Sports expires after 2014. With Navy joining the American in 2015, here's how the cookie might crumble:

Army and Air Force to the American
MWC replaces Air Force with UTEP
CUSA replaces UTEP with a Sun Belt school


Could you link the interviews please? I'd like to read them.

I wouldn't doubt the AAC might like 14 or 16. But, with what we are working with I am not sure there are sure fire #13-16s out there. If they really want to distance themselves from lower 1A and make a case for D4 then the talent pool closes quite a bit.

Army got out of CUSA because they couldn't recruit and compete with CUSA, I see no reason this changes for the AAC. And I doubt Navy and a possibility of Air Force is enough to change that mind set.
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(09-09-2013 08:53 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Could the AAC be looking at Ohio if it is expecting Cincinnati to ride off to a P5 conference?

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(09-09-2013 09:03 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 09:48 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  In two recent interviews, American commish Mike Aresco has mentioned the possibility of going to 14 schools.

Army's TV deal with CBS Sports expires after 2014. With Navy joining the American in 2015, here's how the cookie might crumble:

Army and Air Force to the American
MWC replaces Air Force with UTEP
CUSA replaces UTEP with a Sun Belt school


Could you link the interviews please? I'd like to read them.

I wouldn't doubt the AAC might like 14 or 16. But, with what we are working with I am not sure there are sure fire #13-16s out there. If they really want to distance themselves from lower 1A and make a case for D4 then the talent pool closes quite a bit.

Army got out of CUSA because they couldn't recruit and compete with CUSA, I see no reason this changes for the AAC. And I doubt Navy and a possibility of Air Force is enough to change that mind set.

There's a thread over on the AAC board. There is an Aresco audio interview from a radio staion and then the subject is also mentioned in a print interview conducted just before the first AAC conference game. The links are there.
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(09-09-2013 11:47 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Of course, after watching the SMU game the other night, I wonder if fan support is high on the list for the AAC.

Realizing that UH has had its own attendance woes (especially in CUSA),
SMU has had little fan support since the 1950s. Even in the "Pony Express" years with Craig James and Eric Dickerson, SMU was literallygiving away thousands of tickets.

SMU is in the AAC for only two reasons: they are in Dallas, where they provide access to DFW area recruiting, and they are a travel partner for Houston.

Otherwise they bring little to the Table.
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(09-09-2013 09:48 PM)gotohelltu Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 11:47 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Of course, after watching the SMU game the other night, I wonder if fan support is high on the list for the AAC.

Realizing that UH has had its own attendance woes (especially in CUSA),
SMU has had little fan support since the 1950s. Even in the "Pony Express" years with Craig James and Eric Dickerson, SMU was literallygiving away thousands of tickets.

SMU is in the AAC for only two reasons: they are in Dallas, where they provide access to DFW area recruiting, and they are a travel partner for Houston.

Otherwise they bring little to the Table.

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