(09-27-2013 07:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I stopped reading that other thread that was eventually moved when someone started talking about JMU bringing the DC market. That is beyond laughable. The Maryland Terps don't even get covered much in D.C. and they are only four miles from district line.

Maybe JMU can take credit for the Charlottesville market as its closest but that's UVA's home market. Perhaps you could even say Roanoke or Richmond but those are all very small, so JMU as an option for adding increased media exposure is nullified and certainly would be low on the attributes they actually offer. If JMU is ever seriously considered it will be for other reasons beyond its market.

For now, this is all a bunch of BS. JMU is not getting an invite to C-USA next week. JMU - at most - will announce the results of their study, but there is no conference invitation on the table.

I lived in DC for 2 years. There are a TON of JMU alums in DC. Every time I'd go out on Saturdays to watch football, I would see a lot of groups of JMU fans all over the city.

They may not bring the DC market, but they do have a great presence there. I didn't see much in the way of ODU gear there. I've seen more ODU stuff in Charlotte than I ever did in DC.

(09-27-2013 08:26 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 07:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I stopped reading that other thread that was eventually moved when someone started talking about JMU bringing the DC market. That is beyond laughable. The Maryland Terps don't even get covered much in D.C. and they are only four miles from district line.

Maybe JMU can take credit for the Charlottesville market as its closest but that's UVA's home market. Perhaps you could even say Roanoke or Richmond but those are all very small, so JMU as an option for adding increased media exposure is nullified and certainly would be low on the attributes they actually offer. If JMU is ever seriously considered it will be for other reasons beyond its market.

For now, this is all a bunch of BS. JMU is not getting an invite to C-USA next week. JMU - at most - will announce the results of their study, but there is no conference invitation on the table.

I lived in DC for 2 years. There are a TON of JMU alums in DC. Every time I'd go out on Saturdays to watch football, I would see a lot of groups of JMU fans all over the city.

They may not bring the DC market, but they do have a great presence there. I didn't see much in the way of ODU gear there. I've seen more ODU stuff in Charlotte than I ever did in DC.

shh...lets not let truth get into this conversation.

RABBLE RABBLE ODU OWNS VA RABBLE RABBLE

Truth. Would you like me to delve into the truth? I've now lived in D.C. for over seven years.

While I do see JMU alums and students in DC that doesn't really mean much. Consider that:

1. The alumni base doesn't necessarily translate into media coverage. Hell, at MT we have double the amount of alums living in Nashville than any other university and sometimes we struggle to get the desired attention in our own media market.

2. I see alums from all of the nation in this town. D.C. is very transient. Therefore, there is very little of what I would call a loyal fan base to anything in or near DC particularly in how that is covered by the DC news media. The Redskins perhaps have the deepest following. This is definitely a pro town with a lot of interest in the other pro sports from which people come. Because there is a more significant presence of northeastern natives here (who as we know prefer both professional football and basketball over college) the interest for the media here to cover college sports is low on the priority.

3. DC media sees itself as national even with respect to sports. They want to cover the national sports stories here moreso than the local.

Lastly, I have worked both media relations/sports info in college and have done some public affairs work in DC having worked with the media more than I would have wanted, so I actually know a little something about this.

(09-27-2013 08:35 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 08:26 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 07:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I stopped reading that other thread that was eventually moved when someone started talking about JMU bringing the DC market. That is beyond laughable. The Maryland Terps don't even get covered much in D.C. and they are only four miles from district line.

Maybe JMU can take credit for the Charlottesville market as its closest but that's UVA's home market. Perhaps you could even say Roanoke or Richmond but those are all very small, so JMU as an option for adding increased media exposure is nullified and certainly would be low on the attributes they actually offer. If JMU is ever seriously considered it will be for other reasons beyond its market.

For now, this is all a bunch of BS. JMU is not getting an invite to C-USA next week. JMU - at most - will announce the results of their study, but there is no conference invitation on the table.

I lived in DC for 2 years. There are a TON of JMU alums in DC. Every time I'd go out on Saturdays to watch football, I would see a lot of groups of JMU fans all over the city.

They may not bring the DC market, but they do have a great presence there. I didn't see much in the way of ODU gear there. I've seen more ODU stuff in Charlotte than I ever did in DC.

shh...lets not let truth get into this conversation.

RABBLE RABBLE ODU OWNS VA RABBLE RABBLE

Im not so sure. I know that JMU has a bunch of alumns in DC, as does ODU, but I just moved up here to DC 8 months ago and frankly have been surprised at how little presence there is for either school. This area is all about VT, UMD, Georgetown, Syracuse, WV, UVA and a little bit Navy. Id throw Penn ST in there too. If you include basketball GMU and GW move the needle slightly, but not much. ODU and JMU sadly barely register at all from what I see. Ive probably seen less than a dozen ODU or JMU stickers or clothing items on people out and about. I saw way more JMU stuff in Hampton Roads even. Maybe I'm wrong, but this has been my experience. Thats one issue with JMU is they dont bring a market. They have as many or more fans than ODU or UNCC, but they are scattered all around Va and the mid atlantic. ODU has a strong concentration in Hampton Roads, and small concentrations in DC/Nova, and NJ with the rest scattered about. Charlotte is much the same in their area. I think ODU can actually deliver Hampton Roads, maybe not as much as VT, but as much as UVA... probably.

it's funny how ODU fans say they never see anything JMU related around DC, but yet, other school's fans do.

interesting.

I'm not big on pimping my school on other boards, but to those asking about the upside of JMU, I think the CLC royalty rankings are a good indicator of fan base: http://www.clc.com/News/Archived-Ranking...ction.aspx

The only future CUSA member ahead of JMU is Marshall. You have to keep in mind that not all colleges are represented by CLC, but the future CUSA members that are represented by CLC that are behind JMU in royalty/franchising rights are:

La. Tech
MTSU
ODU
North Texas
UTEP
Rice
WKU
UNCC

CLC doesn't represent USM, UAB, UTSA or the F_Us

(09-26-2013 06:55 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Question for Marshall and Southern Miss fans, do you guys care if Conf USA add another team? If so is JMU okay with you?

Heck yes I care. If JMU, New Mexico State, UMASS, or anyone else like that comes in I want out. While I am not thrilled with CUSA as it is I am slightly happy with where we are. This will give Marshall a chance to get its feet back under themselves. However if you are adding yet another FCS school or a school like New Mexico State that have proven they cannot field good teams let alone compete.

I like WKU, MTSU, NT, and LaTech. UTSA shows potential, ODU could be good, and the jury is out on UNCC just because of their infancy. FAU and FIU are just bad. There is not arguing. While FAU looks to be better they won't be a serious factor in the conference. FIU is a dumpster fire. And even though UTSA, ODU, and UNCC are good and dedicated prgrams they are still FCS schools. They kill the perception of the conference.

You all can hate me all you want but that is true. From the national perspective, from outsiders looking in, from the decision makers and pollsters all they see is that these schools were FCS a year ago, only three years in to having a team, or just now starting a team.

You bring in another FCS school? Really? And don't get me started on New Mexico State they are probably one of if not the worst football program in America at just about any level. They do not belong at the FBS level. Since 1970 NMST is 139-341. They have only fielded a winning team in 2002, 1999, 1992, and 1978 in the last 43 years. and even those years they went 7-5, 6-5, 6-5, and 6-5 respectively. I DO NOT WANT THEM IN CUSA OR WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

This whole TV market bull is over blown. Way over blown. If you have a bunch of losing teams in good markets does it matter? When S.O.S. comes into play for the at-large bid to a BCS game is there a formula that takes the TV market into account? Nope, there isn't.

I would hope that if any of this comes true that at some point Mike Hamrick can get us out of CUSA. I like the conference right now. I like playing USM and I like playing Rice. I like the geography set up we have going on. However going forward being in a conference with 2 FCS programs, 2 starts up programs, UAB, and F_U just isn't going to cut it for the future of any school in the conference that wants to be taken serious.

I really hope that Marshall and S.Miss can find a way out of here if this is the direction of this conference.

(09-26-2013 10:02 PM)cyc46 Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 07:32 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 07:06 PM)cyc46 Wrote:  no news coming out of Southern Miss anytime soon.

Y'all are in your own JT era...

Aston Villa and Derby County here.

Come on over to the soccer threads. We have no Villa fans posting in it.

FAU is just bad? They won 2 bowl games in their first 4 years of FBS football. They have only played football at any level since 2001.

I always laugh when schools that have football for 90 years more act like the newer programs can not improve.

A lot of it is the recency effect. Most fans just aren't knowledgable on the sport as a whole and can only look at recent events to judge. FAU definitely has potential to grow as they get more experience and rebuild.

I also find it hilarious how delusional some of you guys from Marshall, ECU, and Southern MIss are. Have you been good mid majors in the past and even now in some cases? Sure. But to act like these newer schools with many less years of football tenure can't catch up is laughable. It isn't like the stuff you guys have done is completely unattainable. You aren't at a whole new level by any means. It isn't like you guys are Alabama or USC.

(09-26-2013 10:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 08:37 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 08:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 07:32 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 07:10 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Haha. If you are going to go off a rant this clueless, I wont even bother engaging in further discussion with you on this topic

By the way...Everton sucks.

Let me guess a fan of the Racists?

Nah...Swansea fan. I am just one of the few American Swan fans...so I find the need to talk smack to everyone.

Why not post in the soccer threads?

You try carrying on a soccer conversation with Americans who know little more about the EPL than Man United, Man City, or Chelsea.

All Houston fans are Liverpool fans, we have me and a UAB fan as Everton fans, and I would love to discuss some German action once in a while.

(09-27-2013 07:15 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 06:57 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  why do you guys keep insisting two VA schools make no sense but 2 FL schools, 4 TX schools, even adding UL to make 2 LA schools does?

You guys clearly don't know this state. ODU has NO presence anywhere in the state of VA except in Norfolk.

JMU has a much more wide range of alumni in the state with most of our alum in the DC area (huge market) and in Richmond, the state capital. We also pull many students from MD, PA and NJ. It is NOT duplicating territory.

You are really going to compare Florida to Virginia in terms of football and college sports? Really?

And you don't see how FIU was way more isolated than ODU? I mean ODU has Marshall, Charlotte, Middle Tennesee, Western Kentucky etc. coming in. FIU had nobody even close to them at all.

A 2nd VA team from FCS would make far less sense than bringing a Georgia prescence in if they stayed on the Eastern part. It still would make more sense to take a Western team if a school like UTEP left though.

PS: I have been all over the state of VA. I have friends in Mannasas, Alexandria and Norfolk. Family used to live in Richmond. Friends in DC as well so you can quit with the copout of not knowing anything just because I don't agree with you.

Nobody of substance has said anything on this though. And the JMU fanbase on here has been delusional many of times before so I won't take their word for it at all. It would make zero sense to announce a new member before anyone leaves as well. So until someone goes, no announcement should be made.

Virginia has some top football talent. I looked at Virginia Tech's roster and they have a BUNCH of in-school talent not to mention ECU yearly recruits the Tidewater region.

(09-27-2013 07:15 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 06:57 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  why do you guys keep insisting two VA schools make no sense but 2 FL schools, 4 TX schools, even adding UL to make 2 LA schools does?

You guys clearly don't know this state. ODU has NO presence anywhere in the state of VA except in Norfolk.

JMU has a much more wide range of alumni in the state with most of our alum in the DC area (huge market) and in Richmond, the state capital. We also pull many students from MD, PA and NJ. It is NOT duplicating territory.

You are really going to compare Florida to Virginia in terms of football and college sports? Really?

And you don't see how FIU was way more isolated than ODU? I mean ODU has Marshall, Charlotte, Middle Tennesee, Western Kentucky etc. coming in. FIU had nobody even close to them at all.

A 2nd VA team from FCS would make far less sense than bringing a Georgia prescence in if they stayed on the Eastern part. It still would make more sense to take a Western team if a school like UTEP left though.

PS: I have been all over the state of VA. I have friends in Mannasas, Alexandria and Norfolk. Family used to live in Richmond. Friends in DC as well so you can quit with the copout of not knowing anything just because I don't agree with you.

Nobody of substance has said anything on this though. And the JMU fanbase on here has been delusional many of times before so I won't take their word for it at all. It would make zero sense to announce a new member before anyone leaves as well. So until someone goes, no announcement should be made.

Who in the heck are you going to bring in from Georgia. This whole bring in a "insert state" presence or they bring the "insert market" is such a dumb argument. If the teams are no good the what presence do they bring? Who is tuning in? Who is attending the games?

Georgia Southern? No thank you.
Savannah State? Have you seen their last 3 games at the FBS level?
Georgia State? No way.

There are no more schools that bring a "presence" or bring an actual market. There really are not anymore teams out there that can add anything to CUSA. If you had to twist my arm to replace say UTEP I would say OHIO, Northern Illinois, or Arkansas State. While they are still reaches at least they field winning, competitive teams that have accomplished something. As much as I hate OHIO they are one of the best on the field options. Same goes with the other two. Even though Arkansas State's only good years came under Freeze and Malzahn and they are both gone.

(09-27-2013 09:10 AM)Ragu Wrote:  FAU is just bad? They won 2 bowl games in their first 4 years of FBS football. They have only played football at any level since 2001.

I always laugh when schools that have football for 90 years more act like the newer programs can not improve.

A lot of it is the recency effect. Most fans just aren't knowledgable on the sport as a whole and can only look at recent events to judge. FAU definitely has potential to grow as they get more experience and rebuild.

I also find it hilarious how delusional some of you guys from Marshall, ECU, and Southern MIss are. Have you been good mid majors in the past and even now in some cases? Sure. But to act like these newer schools with many less years of football tenure can't catch up is laughable. It isn't like the stuff you guys have done is completely unattainable. You aren't at a whole new level by any means. It isn't like you guys are Alabama or USC.

(09-27-2013 08:56 AM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  I'm not big on pimping my school on other boards, but to those asking about the upside of JMU, I think the CLC royalty rankings are a good indicator of fan base: http://www.clc.com/News/Archived-Ranking...ction.aspx

The only future CUSA member ahead of JMU is Marshall. You have to keep in mind that not all colleges are represented by CLC, but the future CUSA members that are represented by CLC that are behind JMU in royalty/franchising rights are:

La. Tech
MTSU
ODU
North Texas
UTEP
Rice
WKU
UNCC

CLC doesn't represent USM, UAB, UTSA or the F_Us

I'm not sure that tells the whole story. Production is a factor here too. This has been one of the things that has pissed me off at our school. You can't even get a Middle Tennessee jersey except I believe in one or two numbers. There has always been a dearth of MT gear. Not sure if that's the university's fault or someone else, but it's hard to sell something that doesn't exist.

Not sure if this is an issue with any other schools but it's definitely been a point of contention with our fanbase.

(09-27-2013 09:15 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 07:15 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 06:57 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  why do you guys keep insisting two VA schools make no sense but 2 FL schools, 4 TX schools, even adding UL to make 2 LA schools does?

You guys clearly don't know this state. ODU has NO presence anywhere in the state of VA except in Norfolk.

JMU has a much more wide range of alumni in the state with most of our alum in the DC area (huge market) and in Richmond, the state capital. We also pull many students from MD, PA and NJ. It is NOT duplicating territory.

You are really going to compare Florida to Virginia in terms of football and college sports? Really?

And you don't see how FIU was way more isolated than ODU? I mean ODU has Marshall, Charlotte, Middle Tennesee, Western Kentucky etc. coming in. FIU had nobody even close to them at all.

A 2nd VA team from FCS would make far less sense than bringing a Georgia prescence in if they stayed on the Eastern part. It still would make more sense to take a Western team if a school like UTEP left though.

PS: I have been all over the state of VA. I have friends in Mannasas, Alexandria and Norfolk. Family used to live in Richmond. Friends in DC as well so you can quit with the copout of not knowing anything just because I don't agree with you.

Nobody of substance has said anything on this though. And the JMU fanbase on here has been delusional many of times before so I won't take their word for it at all. It would make zero sense to announce a new member before anyone leaves as well. So until someone goes, no announcement should be made.

Virginia has some top football talent. I looked at Virginia Tech's roster and they have a BUNCH of in-school talent not to mention ECU yearly recruits the Tidewater region.

I think we're 4th or 5th in states producing FBS talent. Of course TX, FL & GA are all ahead of us.

(09-27-2013 09:20 AM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 07:15 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 06:57 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  why do you guys keep insisting two VA schools make no sense but 2 FL schools, 4 TX schools, even adding UL to make 2 LA schools does?

You guys clearly don't know this state. ODU has NO presence anywhere in the state of VA except in Norfolk.

JMU has a much more wide range of alumni in the state with most of our alum in the DC area (huge market) and in Richmond, the state capital. We also pull many students from MD, PA and NJ. It is NOT duplicating territory.

You are really going to compare Florida to Virginia in terms of football and college sports? Really?

And you don't see how FIU was way more isolated than ODU? I mean ODU has Marshall, Charlotte, Middle Tennesee, Western Kentucky etc. coming in. FIU had nobody even close to them at all.

A 2nd VA team from FCS would make far less sense than bringing a Georgia prescence in if they stayed on the Eastern part. It still would make more sense to take a Western team if a school like UTEP left though.

PS: I have been all over the state of VA. I have friends in Mannasas, Alexandria and Norfolk. Family used to live in Richmond. Friends in DC as well so you can quit with the copout of not knowing anything just because I don't agree with you.

Nobody of substance has said anything on this though. And the JMU fanbase on here has been delusional many of times before so I won't take their word for it at all. It would make zero sense to announce a new member before anyone leaves as well. So until someone goes, no announcement should be made.

Who in the heck are you going to bring in from Georgia. This whole bring in a "insert state" presence or they bring the "insert market" is such a dumb argument. If the teams are no good the what presence do they bring? Who is tuning in? Who is attending the games?

Georgia Southern? No thank you.
Savannah State? Have you seen their last 3 games at the FBS level?
Georgia State? No way.

There are no more schools that bring a "presence" or bring an actual market. There really are not anymore teams out there that can add anything to CUSA. If you had to twist my arm to replace say UTEP I would say OHIO, Northern Illinois, or Arkansas State. While they are still reaches at least they field winning, competitive teams that have accomplished something. As much as I hate OHIO they are one of the best on the field options. Same goes with the other two. Even though Arkansas State's only good years came under Freeze and Malzahn and they are both gone.

Georgia Southern has 6 FCS titles. They are from a new state albeit not a huge market in the state. James Madison duplicates a state, has had less success and isn't in a huge market in VA anyways.

It's funny that you bring up Ohio. Ohio has played football 107 years longer than FAU. They started in 1894. We started in 2001. Each program has the same total of bowl wins all time with 2. But FAU is completely bad and OU is a great product. Right...

This is exactly what I was saying before. Many fans just are not knowledgable. I am from Ohio and OU has been a joke a ton of years. Some of you need to look at more than just the last few years to evaluate programs as a whole.

(09-27-2013 09:21 AM)mwp1023 Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 09:10 AM)Ragu Wrote:  FAU is just bad? They won 2 bowl games in their first 4 years of FBS football. They have only played football at any level since 2001.

I always laugh when schools that have football for 90 years more act like the newer programs can not improve.

A lot of it is the recency effect. Most fans just aren't knowledgable on the sport as a whole and can only look at recent events to judge. FAU definitely has potential to grow as they get more experience and rebuild.

I also find it hilarious how delusional some of you guys from Marshall, ECU, and Southern MIss are. Have you been good mid majors in the past and even now in some cases? Sure. But to act like these newer schools with many less years of football tenure can't catch up is laughable. It isn't like the stuff you guys have done is completely unattainable. You aren't at a whole new level by any means. It isn't like you guys are Alabama or USC.

A lot of these pics of FAU are taken before kickoff. Most FAU fans tailgate until right before kickoff. No one said ECU doesn't have a way better fanbase. You still aren't at an unattainable level and aren't a powerhouse FBS school.

(09-27-2013 07:18 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I don't understand why we would add anyone else.

which is why some are assuming somebody's leaving. I think the safest assumption is that these JMU to CUSA rumor are bull.

(09-27-2013 08:56 AM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  I'm not big on pimping my school on other boards, but to those asking about the upside of JMU, I think the CLC royalty rankings are a good indicator of fan base: http://www.clc.com/News/Archived-Ranking...ction.aspx

The only future CUSA member ahead of JMU is Marshall. You have to keep in mind that not all colleges are represented by CLC, but the future CUSA members that are represented by CLC that are behind JMU in royalty/franchising rights are:

La. Tech
MTSU
ODU
North Texas
UTEP
Rice
WKU
UNCC

CLC doesn't represent USM, UAB, UTSA or the F_Us

(09-27-2013 09:28 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 07:18 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I don't understand why we would add anyone else.

which is why some are assuming somebody's leaving. I think the safest assumption is that these JMU to CUSA rumor are bull.

It is bull
Rumors are False