It's hard to fault the driver imo. I have two small kids and if something ilke that happened while I had my kids with me I don't know what I would do. I would like to think I wouldn't run over anyone, but if I felt my life, or even worse, the lives of my kids or wife were threatend, I'd run over 100 people to get the hell out of dodge.

(10-07-2013 01:13 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  It said they were attacking his car. I understand fear can overcome you in that situation but I do think it was pretty reckless just to mow over the bikers ahead of him with a range rover.

Whatever attacking of his car they had done obviously they hadn't busted his windows at that point and I doubt they had tried to open his door either at that point because they did that later on he he still hadn't locked it. That's like the first thing you would do if someone had already tried to get in and had done after they did.

He really didn't have to peal out of there at the rate he did and run over the biker if you want to be honest about it regardless if they were damaging his car, that' what really got the mob pissed off and more agressive. The mob was in the wrong for being a mob but the guys actions stepped it up too and made it worse for himself IMO the way he ran the guy over. He pretty much floored it.

How about this? The bikers could have acted like normal citizens and not stopped on the middle of a highway. Even if you get in a fender bender on the highway, you are instructed to pull off the road if at all possible. The guy who got ran over was just as guilty as the rest. You don't stop on the highway, you don't take the law into your own hand, you don't act like an ******* in general. And if you watch the video, a guy got off his bike and started approaching him. At that point, I don't want to know what he wants.

If I walk into a convenience store and hold a guy up with an unloaded gun and get shot and killed, that is my fault because my action triggered a reaction. That is exactly what happened with these bikers.

(10-08-2013 09:49 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  How about this?

how about that sentence taken in the whole context of the post or all my post?

Quote:The bikers could have acted like normal citizens and not stopped on the middle of a highway.

Sure, I never said they weren't without fault. I think riding a bike is one of the dumbest things on the planet to begin with for the risk it puts your life at. Acting like a jackas around SUV that can crush you only only shows your stupidity more.

Quote:And if you watch the video, a guy got off his bike and started approaching him. At that point, I don't want to know what he wants.

Exactly. You wouldn't know and that's why you don't mow him over with your car until your life is in danger. I said in that same post I could understand fear taking over and who knows how anyone react. If you don't know the intentions or even if they are hitting your car that's not your life and not a reason to run over someone standing in the street.

(10-08-2013 09:49 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  . You don't stop on the highway, you don't take the law into your own hand, you don't act like an ******* in general.

The biker could be considered a pedestrian at that point and has the right of way or a stopped motorist. All I'm saying is the Range Rover guy escalated the situation IMO. They probably would have hit his car a couple times dented it and left. It's called insurance and swallowing pride. That would have been the best outcome possible rather than getting beat in the street, risking your family farther, or anyone parylsed regardless of fault IMO.

Quote:If I walk into a convenience store and hold a guy up with an unloaded gun and get shot and killed, that is my fault because my action triggered a reaction. That is exactly what happened with these bikers.

Armed robbery isn't ridding a motorcycle like a jackas.

I read the entire post.

So, if somebody gets out of their car, and approaches you, on the highway no less, you are going to wait and see what they want? If so, you're lucky you are still alive. Normal people do not get out of their cars and approach people. Especially with a giant group of people with them.

And no, you are not a pedestrian while walking in the middle of the highway. In fact, almost every highway I've ever been on doesn't even allow pedestrians on the side of the road. Do you even think before you write these things? The Range Rover guy was scared for his life, and probably more so the lives of two people he loves more than anything in the world. I'd love to see you sit there while people were ******* your car up and just take it. You think these demented people were just going to stop at that point?

My example was a bit extreme, but my example was simply an action causing a reaction. That is what these bikers did. He was provoked and he reacted based completely off of their reactions.

(10-08-2013 10:29 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  So, if somebody gets out of their car, and approaches you, on the highway no less, you are going to wait and see what they want? If so, you're lucky you are still alive. Normal people do not get out of their cars and approach people.

That has happened to me. I rear ended like a 50 year old guy I'd guess at food lion just after I turned 16. He got out of the car slammed his door pissed off throwing a tirade walked to my window pointing and cussing me telling me how much his car costed and how my car a big piece of $hit.

My younger sister was with me crying hysterically and at that point in my life I was about 6'... 135lbs and couldn't have done anything to defend myself against this guy so I was pretty scared and just sat in the car cracked the window and told him to go call the cops. He calmed down when I said that looked at his bumper and saw there was no damage and said he was leaving and it was all over.

Chances are he probably wouldn't even have said jack to me like that if I was a grown man, and I'd probably get out now and get in his face today if he had. Being a scared kid at the time caused the situation not to escalate when it really didn't need to. Just stay in your car, lock the doors and if it's clear they are intent on getting in and actually trying by all means don't stick around. I didn't see that in this video.

Quote:And no, you are not a pedestrian while walking in the middle of the highway. In fact, almost every highway I've ever been on doesn't even allow pedestrians on the side of the road. Do you even think before you write these things?

What about a stopped motorist like I also mentioned in that same sentence Pretty sure you can't run them over from behind any more than you can pedestrians or whatever you want to refer to a man standing out in the street as.

The driver was following to close as it was even with the first guy on his bike that started this. He's not totally without blame. He should have been giving them more space to begin with.

Had that been me with my wife and child in the car I would have done anything to protect them. These bikers deserved more than just one with a broken back. I would have started a spin out and taken as may out as possible.

These bikers are nothing more than thugs.

(10-07-2013 12:49 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  I can't believe the wife and brother are defending the actions of the bikers

Really? In this society and in this day and age you can't believe that his family would act this way?

Douchebags breed more douchebags, and that's exactly what this family is.

They guy breaking the window in the video, apparently flipped off the media in court

I guess we learned a little something from this, didn't we, Edwin?

Has the entire video of this unfortunate incident been made available?

What I could find on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INfElroIKO0

Seems like there was a moment where there seemed to be 15-20+ bikes surrounding the SUV early in the video (25 second mark). I"m sure that things were said by a few people that spooked the driver. If I was in his exact position at that point (with 15+ people surrounding me). I may have driven off as well.

(10-09-2013 10:34 AM)MichealBond Wrote:  What I could find on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INfElroIKO0

Seems like there was a moment where there seemed to be 15-20+ bikes surrounding the SUV early in the video (25 second mark). I"m sure that things were said by a few people that spooked the driver. If I was in his exact position at that point (with 15+ people surrounding me). I may have driven off as well.

Thank you, Mr. Bond!

So there was an undercover detective there as part of the gang, but he was off duty?

I ask because I have yet to read a story on this part that said whether the undercover was undercover investigating the gang itself, or he was undercover in something else and being in this gang is part of his normal off-duty activities?

I heard this morning on the news that an off-duty police officer that was part of the motormob was arrested. They also said he was on video kicking and hitting the SUV, which would lead me to believe HE (at least) was not investigating the gang.

(10-09-2013 12:06 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I heard this morning on the news that an off-duty police officer that was part of the motormob was arrested. They also said he was on video kicking and hitting the SUV, which would lead me to believe HE (at least) was not investigating the gang.

I thought the off duty cop already said he wasn't investigating the gang. Nevertheless, he said he didn't act because he still didn't want to break his cover. Evidently the bikers didn't know he was a cop. Sounds like a sorry excuse for not acting appropriately and especially for partaking in the assault.

(10-09-2013 12:16 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:06 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I heard this morning on the news that an off-duty police officer that was part of the motormob was arrested. They also said he was on video kicking and hitting the SUV, which would lead me to believe HE (at least) was not investigating the gang.

I thought the off duty cop already said he wasn't investigating the gang. Nevertheless, he said he didn't act because he still didn't want to break his cover. Evidently the bikers didn't know he was a cop. Sounds like a sorry excuse for not acting appropriately and especially for partaking in the assault.

He probably figured they would beat his ass too if he tried to stop them might confuse him for a regular guy. I saw a brawl once between about 10 people on the street and went all of half way around the block maybe 25 yards and told a cop and he wouldn't even go around there until his partner got there. I actually came back after about 1 minute and told him again it was getting worse and basically told me to shut up and move along. I don't know if that's standard operating procedure but I don't think even uniform officers jump right into the middle of things alone all the time if they really can't control things.

(10-09-2013 01:05 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:16 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:06 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I heard this morning on the news that an off-duty police officer that was part of the motormob was arrested. They also said he was on video kicking and hitting the SUV, which would lead me to believe HE (at least) was not investigating the gang.

I thought the off duty cop already said he wasn't investigating the gang. Nevertheless, he said he didn't act because he still didn't want to break his cover. Evidently the bikers didn't know he was a cop. Sounds like a sorry excuse for not acting appropriately and especially for partaking in the assault.

He probably figured they would beat his ass too if he tried to stop them. I saw a brawl once between about 10 people and went all of half way around the block and told a cop and he wouldn't even go around there until his partner got there. I actually came back after about 1 minute and told him again it was getting worse and basically told me to shut up and move along.

Not stepping in and stopping them is one thing; but the news report said he actually smashed a window.

From http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-5760...ng-attack/

"The officer is expected to be charged with criminal mischief for allegedly banging on and breaking the rear window of the SUV."

I thought there were like 3 officers.

(10-09-2013 01:06 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:05 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:16 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:06 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I heard this morning on the news that an off-duty police officer that was part of the motormob was arrested. They also said he was on video kicking and hitting the SUV, which would lead me to believe HE (at least) was not investigating the gang.

I thought the off duty cop already said he wasn't investigating the gang. Nevertheless, he said he didn't act because he still didn't want to break his cover. Evidently the bikers didn't know he was a cop. Sounds like a sorry excuse for not acting appropriately and especially for partaking in the assault.

He probably figured they would beat his ass too if he tried to stop them. I saw a brawl once between about 10 people and went all of half way around the block and told a cop and he wouldn't even go around there until his partner got there. I actually came back after about 1 minute and told him again it was getting worse and basically told me to shut up and move along.

Not stepping in and stopping them is one thing; but the news report said he actually smashed a window.

From http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-5760...ng-attack/

"The officer is expected to be charged with criminal mischief for allegedly banging on and breaking the rear window of the SUV."

Well, he's been arrested so that's a start. I'd imagine he didn't want to break his cover with the bikers because bikers usually don't take a liking to cops in the first place. Not condoning what the cop did, but just IMO on his possible reasoning.

(10-09-2013 01:12 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I thought there were like 3 officers.

There may have been, I had heard there was more than 1 at least... but I can't recall where I saw that.

That news report (video portion, because the written portion isn't too clear on how they quoted it) sounds like they're alluding to 4 officers involved.