(10-25-2013 07:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 09:15 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 07:46 AM)Badger Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 07:25 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 12:54 AM)Badger Wrote:  A good border battle is fun to watch, and often the lesser team will raise their game and win these. This doesn't happen when schools are far apart and rivalries are geographically disinclined to form.

Presumably, hypothetically (and just for discussion) Oklahoma would be brought on with Kansas. That gives you the boarder wars and brings in a new region. Of course, neither are geographically as central as Buffalo, but I just don't see the Buffalo thing happening unless perhaps if there's a coordinated effort to form 4 power conferences and Buffalo is the most "available" institution.

From a strategic standpoint that fortifies the western flank of the Big Ten and balances out conference strength...not to mention improves overall football and basketball standing of the conference...Oklahoma and Kansas coming on together is more than acceptable. Frankly, as a Big Ten fan...I would love to see this.

Kansas and Oklahoma would work, but the B1G should have been all over Mizzou a few years ago to make it ideal. If Oklahoma has been in the B1G's long term expansion plans (the last 5 years), Mizzou should have been a lock. I'm glad we have them in the SEC.

I don't think all the Presidents were on board with an exact plan of expansion back when Nebraska was added. I would make my bet that some of them were still of the old traditional mindset that expansion is bad because it continues to take the conference away from it's old traditional line up.

Also, at the time, the ACC didn't have a GoR and was widely viewed to be vulnerable. Hell, we know now that the folks at North Carolina certainly were thinking hard about it. Missouri was not a slam dunk addition at the time. Nebraska was the single addition that was possible at the time that added the most value to what the Big Ten was doing at the time, which was adding a program in order to negotiate alongside the PAC in terms of selling their new Championship Games.

Good points. In fairness to Delany, the process of getting everyone on board is not as easy as it looks and is time consuming. As was, I believe Wisconsin and Michigan opposed NU's entrance into the Big Ten because of the AAU issue. All the other Big Ten schools voted in favor of accepting NU. NU's rejection by Wisky and UM was downplayed by NU officials, saying this was just the view of their respective President and the league as a whole wanted NU to join, which is quite true.

(10-25-2013 09:11 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:57 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  No one will be laughing at the B10 based upon the schools they may end up selecting, even if they decide to go in a direction almost everyone would never predict and move for new york state ala Buffalo

Can someone explain the SUNY system to me and why they haven't done much with athletics? How does SUNY compare/contrast with systems I somewhat understand: California and Wisconsin.

I am from Wisconsin and now reside in NYS. Wisconsin and NY state university setup is somewhat similar. I cannot explain this in detail, as some here likely can. But both have a large "central" school (Wis.= Madison, NYS= Buffalo) with many smaller "UW" and "SUNY" schools elsewhere in each state. I believe UW-Madison is more of the lead school which other UW schools follow (I went to UW-La Crosse and UW-Platteville), where the SUNY schools seem to have a greater degree of autonomy and independence from each other. I think this may be why SUNY-Buffalo has not had its own "flagship" identity established as UW-Madison has. Now people in NYS are seeing that it would be advantageous for SUNY-Buffalo to be rebranded as the official flagship school as the state's largest public university to become "NYSU."

(10-25-2013 09:39 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:57 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Buffalo is an interesting choice if the B1G wants to organically grow a brand everyone wishes already existed: New York State University.

Buffalo is already an AAU so a rebranded NYSU would be appealing to the B1G and allow them to create a competing brand to Syracuse and the ACC in upstate

Buffalo AKA THE UNIVERISTY OF NEW YORK(when rebranded) could be the pet project of Delaney. Is his ego big enough that he would be willing to take a school like Buffalo and turn them into a big time program? Cinderella, your prince is on line 2 !

No one will be laughing at the B10 based upon the schools they may end up selecting, even if they decide to go in a direction almost everyone would never predict and move for new york state ala Buffalo

It's my understanding that Rutgers is the pet project you speak of. And I'm completely ok with that.

Big Ten enrollments:
Northwestern 14,025
Nebraska 24,207
("NYSU"-Buffalo 28,952)
Iowa 29,642
Purdue 29,953
(Rutgers 31,593)
(Maryland 37,631)
Indiana 37,958
Michigan 39,993
Penn State 40,709
Wisconsin 41,447
Illinois 41,862
Michigan State 45,166
Ohio State 50,995
Minnesota 51,175

(10-23-2013 05:30 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  The answer is unequivocally, "No". Ever hear a Virginia boast about being from eastern Virginia? Ever heard of "Eastern Pride"? Probably not. Now I have heard some put down people from western Virginia, especially Hokie fans, as being less sophisticated, cultured, etc., but that is different.

Yankees created the cultural divide in our country when they forced their "War of Northern Aggression" upon proud Southerners. To question 150 years later why Southerners are proud of that culture is both arrogant and naive. To think that UVa leaders would just forget Custer marching his band of Union miscreants onto the campus in March 1865 is preposterous. Virginia would never betray its Southern roots and join The Big 10
CJ

(10-26-2013 07:03 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 05:30 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  The answer is unequivocally, "No". Ever hear a Virginia boast about being from eastern Virginia? Ever heard of "Eastern Pride"? Probably not. Now I have heard some put down people from western Virginia, especially Hokie fans, as being less sophisticated, cultured, etc., but that is different.

Yankees created the cultural divide in our country when they forced their "War of Northern Aggression" upon proud Southerners. To question 150 years later why Southerners are proud of that culture is both arrogant and naive. To think that UVa leaders would just forget Custer marching his band of Union miscreants onto the campus in March 1865 is preposterous. Virginia would never betray its Southern roots and join The Big 10
CJ

I think that a second Seccession may be probable in the future.

This time, I would hope that the rest of the country lets the South separate and form its own country. No war, let them go instead.

If it occurs in my lifetime, I would become a refugee and have to move out of Louisiana, but so be it.

As a dual citizen, I am thinking of moving to Ireland when I retire in ten years anyway.

(10-26-2013 08:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-26-2013 07:03 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 05:30 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  The answer is unequivocally, "No". Ever hear a Virginia boast about being from eastern Virginia? Ever heard of "Eastern Pride"? Probably not. Now I have heard some put down people from western Virginia, especially Hokie fans, as being less sophisticated, cultured, etc., but that is different.

Yankees created the cultural divide in our country when they forced their "War of Northern Aggression" upon proud Southerners. To question 150 years later why Southerners are proud of that culture is both arrogant and naive. To think that UVa leaders would just forget Custer marching his band of Union miscreants onto the campus in March 1865 is preposterous. Virginia would never betray its Southern roots and join The Big 10
CJ

I think that a second Seccession may be probable in the future.

This time, I would hope that the rest of the country lets the South separate and form its own country. No war, let them go instead.

If it occurs in my lifetime, I would become a refugee and have to move out of Louisiana, but so be it.

As a dual citizen, I am thinking of moving to Ireland when I retire in ten years anyway.

I am of absolute agreement with you on this Terry and that doesn't happen very much anymore.

Folks in the North don't think this way that Southerners of the mindset of CardinalJim do. Hell, if he is from Louisville then I find it amusing that he plays this card but he can feel however he likes.

I think the rest of the world would love it if America split up into a few autonomous nations and each nation could better tend to it's particular issues than what we are able to do now as a divided country.

We've been through this CJ.

I really can't believe a baseball team could cause so much trouble.

(10-25-2013 09:39 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:57 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Buffalo is an interesting choice if the B1G wants to organically grow a brand everyone wishes already existed: New York State University.

Buffalo is already an AAU so a rebranded NYSU would be appealing to the B1G and allow them to create a competing brand to Syracuse and the ACC in upstate

Buffalo AKA THE UNIVERISTY OF NEW YORK(when rebranded) could be the pet project of Delaney. Is his ego big enough that he would be willing to take a school like Buffalo and turn them into a big time program? Cinderella, your prince is on line 2 !

No one will be laughing at the B10 based upon the schools they may end up selecting, even if they decide to go in a direction almost everyone would never predict and move for new york state ala Buffalo

It's my understanding that Rutgers is the pet project you speak of. And I'm completely ok with that.

Just be glad that Schiano is on the hot seat in Tampa - although how much longer is open to question at the moment. He could be on the hot seat in Piscataway...

(10-26-2013 04:08 AM)Badger Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 09:39 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:57 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Buffalo is an interesting choice if the B1G wants to organically grow a brand everyone wishes already existed: New York State University.

Buffalo is already an AAU so a rebranded NYSU would be appealing to the B1G and allow them to create a competing brand to Syracuse and the ACC in upstate

Buffalo AKA THE UNIVERISTY OF NEW YORK(when rebranded) could be the pet project of Delaney. Is his ego big enough that he would be willing to take a school like Buffalo and turn them into a big time program? Cinderella, your prince is on line 2 !

No one will be laughing at the B10 based upon the schools they may end up selecting, even if they decide to go in a direction almost everyone would never predict and move for new york state ala Buffalo

It's my understanding that Rutgers is the pet project you speak of. And I'm completely ok with that.

Big Ten enrollments:
Northwestern 14,025
Nebraska 24,207
("NYSU"-Buffalo 28,952)
Iowa 29,642
Purdue 29,953
(Rutgers 31,593)
(Maryland 37,631)
Indiana 37,958
Michigan 39,993
Penn State 40,709
Wisconsin 41,447
Illinois 41,862
Michigan State 45,166
Ohio State 50,995
Minnesota 51,175

Buffalo is now 1K bigger than that number (Purdue Sized still) but UB 2020 aims to get the enrollment up to about where Indiana is..

http://www.buffalo.edu/ub2020.html

It has been growing by about 6-800 a yead for the past few years.

(10-26-2013 02:25 AM)Badger Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Buffalo is an interesting choice if the B1G wants to organically grow a brand everyone wishes already existed: New York State University.

Buffalo is already an AAU so a rebranded NYSU would be appealing to the B1G and allow them to create a competing brand to Syracuse and the ACC in upstate

Tell Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown this. I think UB/SUNY/NYSU
has finally figured this out. But city of Buffalo officials are not smelling the expansion roses yet at their doorstep while they claim an unending thirst for new business and economic revitalization to occur in hard times Buffalo. I don't get it??

I moved out of Buffalo about a decade ago. I have been back once or twice a year since then.

Something has changed in that city over the past three years. I would not be surprised if Buffalo turns the corner and begins to grow again.

I think the key with buffalo is who would come in with them as team 16. If its Florida State, i think it would work but that's about the only school i think they work with as a pair. Both bring in huge markets, FSU has the football pull while UB/NY something brings in the culture and academics. If the big 10 is bringing in buffalo, they need FSU to offset the lack of football from buffalo.

(10-26-2013 04:08 AM)Badger Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 09:39 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:57 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Buffalo is an interesting choice if the B1G wants to organically grow a brand everyone wishes already existed: New York State University.

Buffalo is already an AAU so a rebranded NYSU would be appealing to the B1G and allow them to create a competing brand to Syracuse and the ACC in upstate

Buffalo AKA THE UNIVERISTY OF NEW YORK(when rebranded) could be the pet project of Delaney. Is his ego big enough that he would be willing to take a school like Buffalo and turn them into a big time program? Cinderella, your prince is on line 2 !

No one will be laughing at the B10 based upon the schools they may end up selecting, even if they decide to go in a direction almost everyone would never predict and move for new york state ala Buffalo

It's my understanding that Rutgers is the pet project you speak of. And I'm completely ok with that.

Big Ten enrollments:
Northwestern 14,025
Nebraska 24,207
("NYSU"-Buffalo 28,952)
Iowa 29,642
Purdue 29,953
(Rutgers 31,593)
(Maryland 37,631)
Indiana 37,958
Michigan 39,993
Penn State 40,709
Wisconsin 41,447
Illinois 41,862
Michigan State 45,166
Ohio State 50,995
Minnesota 51,175

And to think that the wise men of the North, leaders of the massive and prestigious B1G, forgot to invite Missouri and Kansas and to totally lock down the Mid west...

(10-26-2013 11:04 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-26-2013 04:08 AM)Badger Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 09:39 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:57 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Buffalo is an interesting choice if the B1G wants to organically grow a brand everyone wishes already existed: New York State University.

Buffalo is already an AAU so a rebranded NYSU would be appealing to the B1G and allow them to create a competing brand to Syracuse and the ACC in upstate

Buffalo AKA THE UNIVERISTY OF NEW YORK(when rebranded) could be the pet project of Delaney. Is his ego big enough that he would be willing to take a school like Buffalo and turn them into a big time program? Cinderella, your prince is on line 2 !

No one will be laughing at the B10 based upon the schools they may end up selecting, even if they decide to go in a direction almost everyone would never predict and move for new york state ala Buffalo

It's my understanding that Rutgers is the pet project you speak of. And I'm completely ok with that.

Big Ten enrollments:
Northwestern 14,025
Nebraska 24,207
("NYSU"-Buffalo 28,952)
Iowa 29,642
Purdue 29,953
(Rutgers 31,593)
(Maryland 37,631)
Indiana 37,958
Michigan 39,993
Penn State 40,709
Wisconsin 41,447
Illinois 41,862
Michigan State 45,166
Ohio State 50,995
Minnesota 51,175

And to think that the wise men of the North, leaders of the massive and prestigious B1G, forgot to invite Missouri and Kansas and to totally lock down the Mid west...

Love what the Tigers are doing this year in the SEC but realignment isn't over yet and neither are the Wise Men.

Can we quit with the Florida State rumors? It's not going to happen, and can we say Nebraska because the only NU in the Big Ten in Northwestern University.

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Hearing from strong sources that if this Saban to Texas is true..which from other sources sounds to be true..then Texas is a shoe in the big ten within 2 years coming along with the beloved Oklahoma. Remember to not let the word out or my sources could get mad

(10-26-2013 11:19 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Can we quit with the Florida State rumors? It's not going to happen, ...

Its surely not going to happen until a few years before the current GOR expires at the earliest, so at the very least we can defer the rumors until then.

Quote:and can we say Nebraska because the only NU in the Big Ten in Northwestern University.

Or UNL ~ damn Omaha, if the Medical School were in Lincoln, UNL would still be AAU.

(10-25-2013 08:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Buffalo is an interesting choice if the B1G wants to organically grow a brand everyone wishes already existed: New York State University.

Buffalo is already an AAU so a rebranded NYSU would be appealing to the B1G and allow them to create a competing brand to Syracuse and the ACC in upstate

A New York State University would be an interesting long term play, but what the B1G needs is football powers. I believe the B1G would take a foursome of UT, OU, Kansas and ISU and bribe the PAC to take the three little brothers TT, OSU and KSU with a scheduling alliance to boast both conferences' networks. West Virginia would end up in the ACC or SEC, maybe after these two conferences negotiate their own scheduling alliance while the B1G and PAC are still negotiating the finer points of their alliance.

(11-03-2013 07:35 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Buffalo is an interesting choice if the B1G wants to organically grow a brand everyone wishes already existed: New York State University.

Buffalo is already an AAU so a rebranded NYSU would be appealing to the B1G and allow them to create a competing brand to Syracuse and the ACC in upstate

A New York State University would be an interesting long term play, but what the B1G needs is football powers. I believe the B1G would take a foursome of UT, OU, Kansas and ISU and bribe the PAC to take the three little brothers TT, OSU and KSU with a scheduling alliance to boast both conferences' networks. West Virginia would end up in the ACC or SEC, maybe after these two conferences negotiate their own scheduling alliance while the B1G and PAC are still negotiating the finer points of their alliance.

Get over the AAU crap. It's eyewash, fig leaf - it's not a real B10 requirement, only a wish.

(11-03-2013 07:41 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-03-2013 07:35 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 08:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Buffalo is an interesting choice if the B1G wants to organically grow a brand everyone wishes already existed: New York State University.

Buffalo is already an AAU so a rebranded NYSU would be appealing to the B1G and allow them to create a competing brand to Syracuse and the ACC in upstate

A New York State University would be an interesting long term play, but what the B1G needs is football powers. I believe the B1G would take a foursome of UT, OU, Kansas and ISU and bribe the PAC to take the three little brothers TT, OSU and KSU with a scheduling alliance to boast both conferences' networks. West Virginia would end up in the ACC or SEC, maybe after these two conferences negotiate their own scheduling alliance while the B1G and PAC are still negotiating the finer points of their alliance.

Get over the AAU crap. It's eyewash, fig leaf - it's not a real B10 requirement, only a wish.

???

I did not say anything about AAU, and I agree it is a big bonus not a requirement. A decent football team with the name NYSU could be a long term profitable investment, not because of AAU, but because of how many millions of people are in the state of New York and the 100s of thousands that have graduated from the SUNY system.