lumberpack4
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RE: Indiana AD Fred Glass hikes the B1G skirt and shows leg; 16 is the "sweet spo...
(10-22-2013 09:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: (10-22-2013 09:03 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: (10-22-2013 08:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: (10-22-2013 08:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: (10-22-2013 07:38 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: UConn to the B1G wouldn't scathe the ACC.
The BigXII's likely to get poached over the ACC. Dissolving a 10 team conference is easier than dissolving a 14 team conference. How you guys don't see that, I'll never know. Not that logic flies around here anyhow.
1. There are 15 ACC members.
2. I find it curious that the AD used the term "academically excellent" rather than to say an "AAU" member. What does "academically excellent" mean? Can this be taken to mean on a par with or better than Nebraska? I
It means the likes of an Oklahoma or a Florida State. They have other aspects that would be considered "Very Desirable" by most of the Big Ten.
Notice how he said the vote would have to be a consensus vote not just a majority vote? Yeah, that means schools like UConn and Buffalo are just smokescreens. They have zero chance at getting everyone in the Big Ten to vote yes on them.
I loathe using US News Undergraduate Rankings for any purpose other than teaching students the worthlessness of canned data, but for the sake of ease I notice the following:
This year Nebraska is ranked 101, Indiana 75, Iowa and MSU are ranked at a tied 73. Now if the B10 considers these institutions academically excellent (and they are) that means the following schools with major athletic programs are also academically excellent at least at the undergrad level:
Tied at 101 - Kansas, Oklahoma, NC State, Tennessee
97 - Mizzou
Tied at 91 - Auburn, FSU
86 - Bama
75 - Baylor
69- Virginia Tech
Tied at 62 - Clemson and Syracuse
60 - UGA
57 - UConn
52 - Texas
47- Miami FL
36 - GT
30 - UNC
23 - UVA
18 - ND
17 - Vandy
7 - Duke
The bolded and italized schools are also graduate research intensive and on average have higher rankings in the various other rankings that rank for such things and the B10 is graduate research intensive. That's Kansas, NC State, Tennessee, Mizzou, VT, Texas, GT, UNC, UVa, Vandy, and Duke - that's not to say the others at 101 and above don't do graduate research, just that it's not as heavy an emphasis, meaning that these 11 are a little more like a B10 school, than the others, a little, not a lot, with the exception of Notre Dame, Miami, and Baylor, which if memory serves, are very undergraduate oriented.
Since the AAU only has 61 members in the US (Toronto and McGill are in Canada of course) if you dissect the statement and put it under a microscope, it seems that the B10 could be prepping itself in an attempt to lure one or two of the following non-AAU members - Oklahoma, NC State, Va Tech, and UConn.
OU is the most obvious.
Va Tech gives them the exact same thing as UVa in the Va/DC markets with a better football product than UVa, however, anything that involves VT, involves UVa, which involves UNC, which then involves NC State and Duke. Unlike VT, NC State is not at fan parity with UNC, however, they give the B10 a footprint in the NC market.
However any team that is added at the Southeast or Southwest boarder of the B10 will be on an almost West Va/B12 island.
I also don't think the B10 has a great ability to "poach" anyone. Nebraska left the B12 because they hated Texas. Maryland left the ACC because their new President was a B10 man and because Maryland fell into a financial hole that they hoped the B10 could fill. Competing against 8 professional teams between DC and Baltimore for the sale of tickets is difficult and the Nationals new facility really hurt MD (look at the cost of room and board at MD and that will tell you something if you know anything about this profession).
At the end of the day, I think OU and Kansas are the best the B10 can do, and to do that, they have to break up the B12 and to break up the B12, they probably need help.
Yep, I agree with all of the above except that the Big Ten might look at NC State. I do think Virginia Tech would get looked at but I couldn't say either way as to whether or not they could receive a consensus of votes from the Presidents.
I am of the mindset that the two targets are Oklahoma and Kansas.
Yes, that will require help. I think that help comes from ESPN mainly. They will provide the grease and the leverage to get the conferences to finish realignment in a way that best suits them. ESPN may not like realignment but if it has to happen in order to settle things down then they are likely to fashion a realignment scenario that is in their best interests.
If a conference has to go, which one do you think ESPN would care about the least?
It takes 75% to get into the B10 or 11 votes. Their entrance vote requirement is the same as the ACC and SEC unless they recently changed their bylaws. I take consensus to mean the same thing that consensus means in the SEC - that no one says "hell no". The larger you become, the more of a problem with consensus. Northwestern by itself is not going to veto an addition, but if only NW and say Michigan were against the addition, do you think it happens? I don't.
(This post was last modified: 10-22-2013 09:18 PM by lumberpack4.)
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