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(10-22-2013 09:59 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 09:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I am of the mindset that the two targets are Oklahoma and Kansas.

Yup. Then you let Texas think about it. As much as Oklahoma fails some of the general qualifications, I keep on going back to them as I think about it.

East Coast looks unlikely now, but I suppose that could change. So the partner for Texas would be?

Well, first off, I do not think there is much chance of the Big Ten landing Texas. There will be some serious cultural problems with that much like there is with North Carolina.

IF it was to happen though then I think Missouri would get the first call. I know things are going great for them in the SEC this year but if they were approached by the Big Ten and given a proposal about being in a football division with Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Kansas? Yeah, things are great in the SEC right now for Missouri but come on....that line up is pretty damn good for Missouri. They may have had problems with Texas in the past but this will be in the Big Ten, not the Big 12. Texas wont be in control.
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(10-22-2013 09:59 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 09:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I am of the mindset that the two targets are Oklahoma and Kansas.

Yup. Then you let Texas think about it. As much as Oklahoma fails some of the general qualifications, I keep on going back to them as I think about it.

East Coast looks unlikely now, but I suppose that could change. So the partner for Texas would be?
I would absolutely love, Love, LOVE to see OU and KU invited to the B1G.

I know there are some political strings that would need to be cut or "handled" for KSU and Okie State, but how could those states not allow their premier, flagship university to join the B1G? They wouldn't.

If OU and KU do join and the B1G Enchilada, Texas hops on board, then I can see Mizzou getting the next call.

UT, OU, KU, Mizzou. Man that would be friggn phenomenal for the B1G and its subsequent media bonanza extravaganza!


B1G Money, B1G Money, B1G Money.




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(10-22-2013 10:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 09:59 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 09:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I am of the mindset that the two targets are Oklahoma and Kansas.

Yup. Then you let Texas think about it. As much as Oklahoma fails some of the general qualifications, I keep on going back to them as I think about it.

East Coast looks unlikely now, but I suppose that could change. So the partner for Texas would be?

Well, first off, I do not think there is much chance of the Big Ten landing Texas. There will be some serious cultural problems with that much like there is with North Carolina.

IF it was to happen though then I think Missouri would get the first call. I know things are going great for them in the SEC this year but if they were approached by the Big Ten and given a proposal about being in a football division with Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Kansas? Yeah, things are great in the SEC right now for Missouri but come on....that line up is pretty damn good for Missouri. They may have had problems with Texas in the past but this will be in the Big Ten, not the Big 12. Texas wont be in control.

I doubt that would entice them. Not playing Texas is no loss for the Mizzou faithful, Kansas and Nebraska yes but overall Mizzou seems exceedingly happy.

The SEC is a much nicer home for a lot of the teams being named.
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(10-22-2013 09:38 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
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(10-22-2013 08:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 08:43 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Please, please, I've lost count. Lets do this alphabetically. Please name all the B1G ADs and Presidents that have stated that they will take whomever they want, from whatever conference they want. I'll begin....Barry Alvarez, from Wisconsin, in the Big Ten, with the microphone said.....we want Maryland and Rutgers cause we're scared Penn State will leave us..........


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No, that is not what he said, nice spin job.

What exactly is the point of this post?

All I want is an alphabetical list of big ten AD's and Presidents that have hinted at or leaked about or spoken to the press about expanding the big ten with universities currently in other conferences.

I'll begin again....

Alvarez, Barry....
school....Wisconsin....
Title.....AD.....
statement on record.......

Quote:Turns out, the move might have been a proactive step to retain the Nittany Lions.
That northeast corridor, all the way to the south, continues to grow…[Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany] felt that someday, if we didn’t have anyone else in that corridor, someday it wouldn’t make sense maybe for Penn State to be in our league," Alvarez told the Journal Sentinel.


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No thanks. Do your own research, I do.

When words like "might have been" and "someday" are used, it is a clue that these worries that you are trying to exacerbate aren't really an immediate pressing issue.

I consider it more of an additional selling point to push lingering Presidents into the vote because Delany saw the value of getting into the Mid Atlantic Beltway corridor.

If you really want to believe that Penn State was about to leave the Big Ten then go right ahead and believe that.

Do your own research though.



OK, OK....but I'm bad at it. Who is next in line?

Guenther, Ron.....
school.......Illinois
Title.......AD.....
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Quote:Rutgers and Maryland will join the Big Ten next year, and Guenther was deeply engaged in that unexpected development.

“We ran out of options,” he said. “That was not what we started to do. Jim had challenged me to come up with ways to increase the conference value, and I worked with the Pac-12 to put a collaboration together whereby we would play a 12-game series with them in football, staggered over the first three weeks of the season. We’d then be able to capture all three time zones, thus increasing our TV dollars. Unfortunately, right at the end, the Pac-12 pulled the plug because some institutions had contracts they couldn’t break.

“The challenge then was how do we increase our revenue? I looked at the population base going east. Once we take the Big Ten brand into New York, with that population and the good high school programs ... give this 10 years and we’ll see.

“This is so different from what we thought we were looking at. But I like our strategy. There were some other ACC schools that showed interest, but that didn’t work out.”

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Texas won't go anywhere where they aren't the 'special' squad. The one big advantage they have is they can pretty much carry a conference of their own if they have the other Texas schools they are currently with and whomever else to fill out the minimum requirements for a conference.
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(10-22-2013 10:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Well, first off, I do not think there is much chance of the Big Ten landing Texas. There will be some serious cultural problems with that much like there is with North Carolina.

- New AD
- LHN isn't going so well

But you're right... Why would Texas sign up for the Big Ten's "one for all, all for one" club? I have no answer for that hurdle.
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(10-22-2013 10:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Oklahoma doesn't have to bring Oklahoma State. OSU just has to be assured a spot at the Big Table in a comparable conference to the one Oklahoma moves to. There is no such thing as a State rule or law making sure that the two schools never part from each other in terms of conference membership. That is completely made up.

No rule I'll agree, but there is going to be enormous pressure for Oklahoma not to leave it if it puts Oklahoma State is a worse position. Odds are almost guaranteed it does. The Big 12 becomes much less stable if Oklahoma disappears. Odds are still very against Oklahoma State getting an offer from the PAC-12, SEC, or ACC though. Without one of those, Oklahoma would be leaving Oklahoma State in an much less stable home if it jumped to the Big Ten.

In the end, you are right that they aren't completely tied together. Texas and Texas A&M didn't have to stick together last round and its possible Oklahoma could go off alone. I don't think they'll be the ones initiating anything though and would only be willing to leave alone if the Big 12 was collapsing around them.


(10-22-2013 10:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Kansas has Kansas City but even more than that they add even more value to BTN basketball advertising. They also add a lower team in the football hierarchy for that Western division that will spring up.

I agree Kansas has been very underestimated as a potential candidate. Actually if expansion did happen, it would be Kansas and Oklahoma I'd be rooting for.

These moves are still mostly football though and the question has to be asked, does Kansas TV value equals 1/14 of what the Big Ten will make without them in the new TV deal. I don't know that it doesn't, but that's a big hurdle with decent, but not great home markets, and little football presence.

(10-22-2013 10:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Pretty sure Ohio State fans will be more excited to have Kansas coming to Columbus every year to play basketball. Much more so than for Maryland or Rutgers. I am pretty sure Ohio State fans will be more excited to have Oklahoma coming to town for football than for either Rutgers or Maryland.

Considering how luke warm the reception has been so far, it might not be a bad idea to have another expansion that folks in the Midwest Culture Big Ten will be much more excited for.

Both those schools would have brought more excitement than Rutgers/Maryland and would have felt more Big Ten. Rutgers and Maryland are done deals now though. Adding more teams, is going to effect the amount of time we play most existing teams a lot. Even with a 9 game schedule and even if we only had 3 locked teams (meaning pods and no locked crossovers outside them, which is probably not possible), we are talking only playing everyone 50% of the time.
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(10-22-2013 10:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 09:59 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 09:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I am of the mindset that the two targets are Oklahoma and Kansas.

Yup. Then you let Texas think about it. As much as Oklahoma fails some of the general qualifications, I keep on going back to them as I think about it.

East Coast looks unlikely now, but I suppose that could change. So the partner for Texas would be?

Well, first off, I do not think there is much chance of the Big Ten landing Texas. There will be some serious cultural problems with that much like there is with North Carolina.

IF it was to happen though then I think Missouri would get the first call. I know things are going great for them in the SEC this year but if they were approached by the Big Ten and given a proposal about being in a football division with Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Kansas? Yeah, things are great in the SEC right now for Missouri but come on....that line up is pretty damn good for Missouri. They may have had problems with Texas in the past but this will be in the Big Ten, not the Big 12. Texas wont be in control.




Gee, Gordon.......
Title......President.....
School......Ohio State.....
statement on record.....

Quote:During the meeting, Gee also said he thought it was a mistake not to include Missouri and Kansas in earlier Big Ten expansion plans. Missouri has since joined the SEC.

"You tell the SEC when they can learn to read and write, then they can figure out what we're doing," Gee said when asked by a questioner how to respond to SEC fans who say the Big Ten can't count because it now has 14 members.

Gee noted he was chairman of the SEC during his time as Vanderbilt University chancellor. He also told the audience that speculation about the SEC "remains right here," according to the recording.

Despite his SEC comments, Gee gave the commencement address at an SEC institution, Louisiana State University's Health Sciences Center, on May 16, Ohio State confirmed. Gee's daughter is assistant professor of Public Health and Medicine at Louisiana State University.

Gee took a swipe at Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany, one of the most powerful leaders in college athletics, when he answered a question about preserving Ohio State's financial interests in light of Big Ten revenue-sharing plans.

"No one admires Jim Delany more than I do. I chaired the committee that brought him here," Gee said. "Jim is very aggressive, and we need to make certain he keeps his hands out of our pockets while we support him."


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(10-22-2013 10:44 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Gee, Gordon.......
Title......President.....
School......Ohio State.....
statement on record.....

Although Gordon Gee's opinion may be "on record," that hardly makes it representative of anything "official" from the Big Ten.
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(10-22-2013 10:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 10:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 09:59 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 09:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I am of the mindset that the two targets are Oklahoma and Kansas.

Yup. Then you let Texas think about it. As much as Oklahoma fails some of the general qualifications, I keep on going back to them as I think about it.

East Coast looks unlikely now, but I suppose that could change. So the partner for Texas would be?

Well, first off, I do not think there is much chance of the Big Ten landing Texas. There will be some serious cultural problems with that much like there is with North Carolina.

IF it was to happen though then I think Missouri would get the first call. I know things are going great for them in the SEC this year but if they were approached by the Big Ten and given a proposal about being in a football division with Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Kansas? Yeah, things are great in the SEC right now for Missouri but come on....that line up is pretty damn good for Missouri. They may have had problems with Texas in the past but this will be in the Big Ten, not the Big 12. Texas wont be in control.

I doubt that would entice them. Not playing Texas is no loss for the Mizzou faithful, Kansas and Nebraska yes but overall Mizzou seems exceedingly happy.

The SEC is a much nicer home for a lot of the teams being named.

Sorry but as an SEC guy I'm just not putting much credence in your judgement on the subject.

You think Texas is intrigued by the SEC? You think Oklahoma is? You think Kansas is? You think Missouri was never interested in the Big Ten first?

Ok then....
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(10-22-2013 11:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 10:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 10:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 09:59 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 09:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I am of the mindset that the two targets are Oklahoma and Kansas.

Yup. Then you let Texas think about it. As much as Oklahoma fails some of the general qualifications, I keep on going back to them as I think about it.

East Coast looks unlikely now, but I suppose that could change. So the partner for Texas would be?

Well, first off, I do not think there is much chance of the Big Ten landing Texas. There will be some serious cultural problems with that much like there is with North Carolina.

IF it was to happen though then I think Missouri would get the first call. I know things are going great for them in the SEC this year but if they were approached by the Big Ten and given a proposal about being in a football division with Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Kansas? Yeah, things are great in the SEC right now for Missouri but come on....that line up is pretty damn good for Missouri. They may have had problems with Texas in the past but this will be in the Big Ten, not the Big 12. Texas wont be in control.

I doubt that would entice them. Not playing Texas is no loss for the Mizzou faithful, Kansas and Nebraska yes but overall Mizzou seems exceedingly happy.

The SEC is a much nicer home for a lot of the teams being named.

Sorry but as an SEC guy I'm just not putting much credence in your judgement on the subject.

You think Texas is intrigued by the SEC? You think Oklahoma is? You think Kansas is? You think Missouri was never interested in the Big Ten first?

Ok then....

On the flip side, I'm not sure your Big10 tinted glasses are giving you the full story. Glasses which are notoriously delusional.

I don't think Texas is interested in going anywhere. The Big10 could very well pull Kansas.

As for Mizzou, I think they've found something that works very well for them.

The Rust Belt Conference just doesn't have the allure it once had and being culturally isolated from your targets doesn't help you.
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(10-22-2013 09:26 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I just don't believe UNC or UVA want to join the big 10. For it to happen, the big 10 would need to get very large and basically carve out eastern division for acc school's under the big 10 banner. Getting large could work but it much more difficult. IF the big 10 is sticking with the sweet spot of 16 according to IU AD, i agree with his take 16 is a sweet spot, than the big 10 should look west for 2 teams. I'd be surprised if texas fits into a 16 team big 10 setup, so your looking at 2 from KU, OU and missouri. I'd throw in arkansas since i think they pair well with missouri, a clean 2 team swipe from the sec and you don't deal with the GOR. Further down the road, the big 10 can target texas, than if they ever got them into the fold go for the expanded version and create and eastern flank of acc school's.

Why wouldn't they? A division with Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St. Ohio St., Michigan and Michigan St. would be great for them! That division would be optimal for the alumni of those two schools who are more likely to work with alumni from those other schools than the alumni from the rest of the ACC. UVA and UNC alum live in the big north eastern cities like NYC, DC and Philly which would then be squarely in the B1Gs possession. It would also be a geographically continuous division.
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(10-22-2013 10:40 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 10:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Oklahoma doesn't have to bring Oklahoma State. OSU just has to be assured a spot at the Big Table in a comparable conference to the one Oklahoma moves to. There is no such thing as a State rule or law making sure that the two schools never part from each other in terms of conference membership. That is completely made up.

No rule I'll agree, but there is going to be enormous pressure for Oklahoma not to leave it if it puts Oklahoma State is a worse position. Odds are almost guaranteed it does. The Big 12 becomes much less stable if Oklahoma disappears. Odds are still very against Oklahoma State getting an offer from the PAC-12, SEC, or ACC though. Without one of those, Oklahoma would be leaving Oklahoma State in an much less stable home if it jumped to the Big Ten.

In the end, you are right that they aren't completely tied together. Texas and Texas A&M didn't have to stick together last round and its possible Oklahoma could go off alone. I don't think they'll be the ones initiating anything though and would only be willing to leave alone if the Big 12 was collapsing around them.


(10-22-2013 10:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Kansas has Kansas City but even more than that they add even more value to BTN basketball advertising. They also add a lower team in the football hierarchy for that Western division that will spring up.

I agree Kansas has been very underestimated as a potential candidate. Actually if expansion did happen, it would be Kansas and Oklahoma I'd be rooting for.

These moves are still mostly football though and the question has to be asked, does Kansas TV value equals 1/14 of what the Big Ten will make without them in the new TV deal. I don't know that it doesn't, but that's a big hurdle with decent, but not great home markets, and little football presence.

(10-22-2013 10:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Pretty sure Ohio State fans will be more excited to have Kansas coming to Columbus every year to play basketball. Much more so than for Maryland or Rutgers. I am pretty sure Ohio State fans will be more excited to have Oklahoma coming to town for football than for either Rutgers or Maryland.

Considering how luke warm the reception has been so far, it might not be a bad idea to have another expansion that folks in the Midwest Culture Big Ten will be much more excited for.

Both those schools would have brought more excitement than Rutgers/Maryland and would have felt more Big Ten. Rutgers and Maryland are done deals now though. Adding more teams, is going to effect the amount of time we play most existing teams a lot. Even with a 9 game schedule and even if we only had 3 locked teams (meaning pods and no locked crossovers outside them, which is probably not possible), we are talking only playing everyone 50% of the time.

I think a solution for OSU will be made available. I have gone into my theory on that ad nauseum so I will just leave it at that. Just remember, ESPN has the power to make or break such a scenario. They had the power to save the ACC and they did so. Will they do the same for the Big 12 or will they do the opposite?



In regards to Kansas and football? If you end up with Oklahoma and Nebraska in the same four team division do you really want to stick yet another powerhouse in it considering Iowa is likely in it too? Kansas helps maintain those rivalries because Kansas really isn't going to rock that boat. Thus Kansas is a GOOD football addition for the Big Ten. They are a Blue Blood Elite basketball program. That is their addition.

If we stay with a 9 game schedule in a four division system then yes it requires a three year period of time to play every team. That is pretty much the case right now with a 14 team, two division conference that maintains cross division rivalry games. You have 7 teams in the other division. You minus 1 that is your every year rival game. That leaves you 6 teams to play and two games a year against them. That is a three year period. That is the EXACT SAME situation as we would have with four divisions. There is zero downside to expanding to 16 with Oklahoma and Kansas.
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(10-22-2013 11:17 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 09:26 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I just don't believe UNC or UVA want to join the big 10. For it to happen, the big 10 would need to get very large and basically carve out eastern division for acc school's under the big 10 banner. Getting large could work but it much more difficult. IF the big 10 is sticking with the sweet spot of 16 according to IU AD, i agree with his take 16 is a sweet spot, than the big 10 should look west for 2 teams. I'd be surprised if texas fits into a 16 team big 10 setup, so your looking at 2 from KU, OU and missouri. I'd throw in arkansas since i think they pair well with missouri, a clean 2 team swipe from the sec and you don't deal with the GOR. Further down the road, the big 10 can target texas, than if they ever got them into the fold go for the expanded version and create and eastern flank of acc school's.

Why wouldn't they? A division with Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St. Ohio St., Michigan and Michigan St. would be great for them! That division would be optimal for the alumni of those two schools who are more likely to work with alumni from those other schools than the alumni from the rest of the ACC. UVA and UNC alum live in the big north eastern cities like NYC, DC and Philly which would then be squarely in the B1Gs possession. It would also be a geographically continuous division.

What you're saying makes sense.
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(10-22-2013 11:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
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(10-22-2013 10:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
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(10-22-2013 09:59 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  Yup. Then you let Texas think about it. As much as Oklahoma fails some of the general qualifications, I keep on going back to them as I think about it.

East Coast looks unlikely now, but I suppose that could change. So the partner for Texas would be?

Well, first off, I do not think there is much chance of the Big Ten landing Texas. There will be some serious cultural problems with that much like there is with North Carolina.

IF it was to happen though then I think Missouri would get the first call. I know things are going great for them in the SEC this year but if they were approached by the Big Ten and given a proposal about being in a football division with Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Kansas? Yeah, things are great in the SEC right now for Missouri but come on....that line up is pretty damn good for Missouri. They may have had problems with Texas in the past but this will be in the Big Ten, not the Big 12. Texas wont be in control.

I doubt that would entice them. Not playing Texas is no loss for the Mizzou faithful, Kansas and Nebraska yes but overall Mizzou seems exceedingly happy.

The SEC is a much nicer home for a lot of the teams being named.

Sorry but as an SEC guy I'm just not putting much credence in your judgement on the subject.

You think Texas is intrigued by the SEC? You think Oklahoma is? You think Kansas is? You think Missouri was never interested in the Big Ten first?

Ok then....

On the flip side, I'm not sure your Big10 tinted glasses are giving you the full story. Glasses which are notoriously delusional.

I don't think Texas is interested in going anywhere. The Big10 could very well pull Kansas.

As for Mizzou, I think they've found something that works very well for them.

The Rust Belt Conference just doesn't have the allure it once had and being culturally isolated from your targets doesn't help you.

You obviously have zero response to what I said so you decided to go the "ad hom" approach. You lose.

Everything I said was fact. Texas stated through Dodds that they preferred the ACC to the PAC. They had talked to the PAC then they decided they preferred the ACC. No where in there did they say anything about the SEC. The Aggies chose the SEC, you think Texas would allow themselves to be viewed as following the Aggies?

You didn't respond to Oklahoma because perhaps you have an inkling of knowledge about where the Administration there is trying to take Oklahoma.

The best response you have is about Missouri and I never said they didn't like the SEC. I was merely talking about the fact that if anything would lure them to the Big Ten it would be the lure of being back with Nebraska, Kansas and Oklahoma all in one division. They would be with Texas again but Texas wouldn't be able to have full control.

Every point I made had NOTHING to do with the Big Ten or my "delusional big ten colored glasses" as you so ignorantly put it.

If anyone displayed such tinting it was you with your unfounded statement about all those schools would all prefer the SEC.

Come on...do it....give us that glorious "SEC SEC SEC" chant. 03-zzz
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(10-22-2013 11:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 11:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 11:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 10:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 10:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Well, first off, I do not think there is much chance of the Big Ten landing Texas. There will be some serious cultural problems with that much like there is with North Carolina.

IF it was to happen though then I think Missouri would get the first call. I know things are going great for them in the SEC this year but if they were approached by the Big Ten and given a proposal about being in a football division with Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Kansas? Yeah, things are great in the SEC right now for Missouri but come on....that line up is pretty damn good for Missouri. They may have had problems with Texas in the past but this will be in the Big Ten, not the Big 12. Texas wont be in control.

I doubt that would entice them. Not playing Texas is no loss for the Mizzou faithful, Kansas and Nebraska yes but overall Mizzou seems exceedingly happy.

The SEC is a much nicer home for a lot of the teams being named.

Sorry but as an SEC guy I'm just not putting much credence in your judgement on the subject.

You think Texas is intrigued by the SEC? You think Oklahoma is? You think Kansas is? You think Missouri was never interested in the Big Ten first?

Ok then....

On the flip side, I'm not sure your Big10 tinted glasses are giving you the full story. Glasses which are notoriously delusional.

I don't think Texas is interested in going anywhere. The Big10 could very well pull Kansas.

As for Mizzou, I think they've found something that works very well for them.

The Rust Belt Conference just doesn't have the allure it once had and being culturally isolated from your targets doesn't help you.

You obviously have zero response to what I said so you decided to go the "ad hom" approach. You lose.

Everything I said was fact. Texas stated through Dodds that they preferred the ACC to the PAC. They had talked to the PAC then they decided they preferred the ACC. No where in there did they say anything about the SEC. The Aggies chose the SEC, you think Texas would allow themselves to be viewed as following the Aggies?

You didn't response to Oklahoma because perhaps you have an inkling of knowledge about where the Administration there is trying to take Oklahoma.

The best response you have is about Missouri and I never said they didn't like the SEC. I was merely talking about the fact that if anything would lure them to the Big Ten it would be the lure of being back with Nebraska, Kansas and Oklahoma all in one division. They would be with Texas again but Texas wouldn't be able to have full control.

Every point I made had NOTHING to do with the Big Ten or my "delusional big ten colored glasses" as you so ignorantly put it.

If anyone displayed such tinting it was you with your unfounded statement about all those schools would all prefer the SEC.

Come on...do it....give us that glorious "SEC SEC SEC" chant. 03-zzz

I never said anything to the contrary to much of that. Also, preferring the SEC over the Big10 is a separate statement from saying a school prefers the SEC outright. Besides, I never even made the first statement I merely said that several of these schools are better fits by being more culturally similar to the SEC.

Don't be so childish all the time.

BTW, since you obviously aren't sure, the full term is ad hominem which you have not used correctly since there was no personal attack as you have so classlessly chosen to employ.

Stick to talking about schools in the Rust Belt because clearly you have zero understanding of people in other parts of the nation.

So, lets hear it. Give me your best retort! I promise; I won't waste my time reading it.
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(10-22-2013 11:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 11:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 11:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 11:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 10:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I doubt that would entice them. Not playing Texas is no loss for the Mizzou faithful, Kansas and Nebraska yes but overall Mizzou seems exceedingly happy.

The SEC is a much nicer home for a lot of the teams being named.

Sorry but as an SEC guy I'm just not putting much credence in your judgement on the subject.

You think Texas is intrigued by the SEC? You think Oklahoma is? You think Kansas is? You think Missouri was never interested in the Big Ten first?

Ok then....

On the flip side, I'm not sure your Big10 tinted glasses are giving you the full story. Glasses which are notoriously delusional.

I don't think Texas is interested in going anywhere. The Big10 could very well pull Kansas.

As for Mizzou, I think they've found something that works very well for them.

The Rust Belt Conference just doesn't have the allure it once had and being culturally isolated from your targets doesn't help you.

You obviously have zero response to what I said so you decided to go the "ad hom" approach. You lose.

Everything I said was fact. Texas stated through Dodds that they preferred the ACC to the PAC. They had talked to the PAC then they decided they preferred the ACC. No where in there did they say anything about the SEC. The Aggies chose the SEC, you think Texas would allow themselves to be viewed as following the Aggies?

You didn't response to Oklahoma because perhaps you have an inkling of knowledge about where the Administration there is trying to take Oklahoma.

The best response you have is about Missouri and I never said they didn't like the SEC. I was merely talking about the fact that if anything would lure them to the Big Ten it would be the lure of being back with Nebraska, Kansas and Oklahoma all in one division. They would be with Texas again but Texas wouldn't be able to have full control.

Every point I made had NOTHING to do with the Big Ten or my "delusional big ten colored glasses" as you so ignorantly put it.

If anyone displayed such tinting it was you with your unfounded statement about all those schools would all prefer the SEC.

Come on...do it....give us that glorious "SEC SEC SEC" chant. 03-zzz

I never said anything to the contrary to much of that. Also, preferring the SEC over the Big10 is a separate statement from saying a school prefers the SEC outright. Besides, I never even made the first statement I merely said that several of these schools are better fits by being more culturally similar to the SEC.

Don't be so childish all the time.

BTW, since you obviously aren't sure the full term is ad hominem which is not correct since there was no personal attack as you have so classlessly chosen to employ.

Stick to talking about schools in the Rust Belt because clearly you have zero understanding of people in other parts of the nation.

So, lets hear it. Give me your best retort! I promise; I won't waste my time reading it.

Actually...clown. I lived in Lafayette Louisiana. Display your complete ignorance on this forum some more. Please!

And...as my profile CLEARLY states. I now live in Arizona. Do try to keep up, even though it is alright to just admit that you cant. I mean seriously...it says right there.....Arizona. 07-coffee3
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(10-22-2013 11:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 11:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 11:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 11:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 11:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Sorry but as an SEC guy I'm just not putting much credence in your judgement on the subject.

You think Texas is intrigued by the SEC? You think Oklahoma is? You think Kansas is? You think Missouri was never interested in the Big Ten first?

Ok then....

On the flip side, I'm not sure your Big10 tinted glasses are giving you the full story. Glasses which are notoriously delusional.

I don't think Texas is interested in going anywhere. The Big10 could very well pull Kansas.

As for Mizzou, I think they've found something that works very well for them.

The Rust Belt Conference just doesn't have the allure it once had and being culturally isolated from your targets doesn't help you.

You obviously have zero response to what I said so you decided to go the "ad hom" approach. You lose.

Everything I said was fact. Texas stated through Dodds that they preferred the ACC to the PAC. They had talked to the PAC then they decided they preferred the ACC. No where in there did they say anything about the SEC. The Aggies chose the SEC, you think Texas would allow themselves to be viewed as following the Aggies?

You didn't response to Oklahoma because perhaps you have an inkling of knowledge about where the Administration there is trying to take Oklahoma.

The best response you have is about Missouri and I never said they didn't like the SEC. I was merely talking about the fact that if anything would lure them to the Big Ten it would be the lure of being back with Nebraska, Kansas and Oklahoma all in one division. They would be with Texas again but Texas wouldn't be able to have full control.

Every point I made had NOTHING to do with the Big Ten or my "delusional big ten colored glasses" as you so ignorantly put it.

If anyone displayed such tinting it was you with your unfounded statement about all those schools would all prefer the SEC.

Come on...do it....give us that glorious "SEC SEC SEC" chant. 03-zzz

I never said anything to the contrary to much of that. Also, preferring the SEC over the Big10 is a separate statement from saying a school prefers the SEC outright. Besides, I never even made the first statement I merely said that several of these schools are better fits by being more culturally similar to the SEC.

Don't be so childish all the time.

BTW, since you obviously aren't sure the full term is ad hominem which is not correct since there was no personal attack as you have so classlessly chosen to employ.

Stick to talking about schools in the Rust Belt because clearly you have zero understanding of people in other parts of the nation.

So, lets hear it. Give me your best retort! I promise; I won't waste my time reading it.

Actually...clown. I lived in Lafayette Louisiana. Display your complete ignorance on this forum some more. Please!

"Clown"

That's ad hominem; good, you're getting it.

04-cheers
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If you looked at one of Frank the Tank's old articles from before the time that Nebraska joined the Big 10 you would find that he put together a list of targets that were given him by a TV guy who had listed the value of each to the Big 10. #1 was Texas. That's not going to happen. #2, 3, & 4 were Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland.

By that list of the available remaining targets the next two up are Kansas and Connecticut. Oklahoma was not on the list. Certainly they may be looked at now, but they weren't on the list back then and I imagine it was because they didn't add enough value market wise.

I really do love all of the Risk board "take over the world" scenarios whether they have Big 10 origins, or SEC origins, or every now and then ACC origins. The only conference that doesn't seem to have one of these theories is the PAC (other than Texahoma).

The Big 10 isn't going to raid the SEC and the SEC isn't going to raid the Big 10. Those two conferences have much more to gain by working together than they do by pissing each other off. The time will come when both of them can work together more profitably than they can over the Big 12. There are 3 targets worth the effort in the Big 12 and perhaps only two worth it for the Big 10. If there is a parsing of the Big 12 it will be agreed upon tacitly by the SEC and Big 10 before it ever happens. Likely the PAC will be included as well and perhaps the ACC if they have any interest beyond Texas and West Virginia.

There are only two reasons to parse the Big 12: 1. The elimination of the 5th wheel so that a more streamlined playoff structure can emerge (one with guaranteed participation and equal payouts). 2. The absorption of the 5th share of the playoff revenue pile plus the addition of new markets.

The Big 12 GOR simply means that nothing can happen unless at least 8 teams find new homes, but more likely all 10. Since no 1 conference can guarantee 8 spots (except the PAC) cooperation will have to be utilized for this feat to be accomplished. The ACC can't land Texas without the SEC's & Big 10's assistance. The SEC can't land Oklahoma with the ACC's & Big 10's assistance. The Big 10 can't land Kansas or anybody else without the SEC's & ACC's assistance.

The best move on the board would be for the PAC to simply take the 8 they wanted as long as that 8 included Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

If that move ever occurs all the heat will be back on the ACC, GOR or not. If their network becomes a reality then the issue dies. If it doesn't the financial disparity that will develop between the ACC and the SEC & Big 10 will ratchet up the heat.

Really the best targets for the PAC are in the Big 12. The best future targets for the Big 10 and SEC are in the ACC. It takes 12 teams to dissolve the GOR in the ACC. If the SEC and Big 10 take any teams from the Big 12 then that possibility dies. If they take no teams from the Big 12 and the PAC expands to 20 then the SEC will need 6 and the Big 10 will need 6 to do the same. That is the only way the ACC is vulnerable and then only if they can't add the revenue that they would derive from a network.

Now having said all of this the best outcome, for the best structure, for the new upper tier, would be a 4 x 16 model. For the sake of teams on the bubble even a 4 x 18 model could work. But the parsing of the Big 12 seems to be the only way for us to get there and until there is enough cooperation from the Big 10, PAC, SEC, and ACC to a lesser extent to get there we will remain stalemated. And when I say cooperation between the conferences what I really mean is the cooperation between the networks (ESPN & FOX) that pay them.

Until the networks know where the Big 12 teams go and who gets which school nothing happens. Delany and Slive and Scott and Swafford don't move without guaranteed funding. Right now ESPN has more of an interest in Texas and Kansas and FOX has more of an interest in Oklahoma. Once the details are worked out the GOR won't be an issue at all. Why? Because if the networks pay each school an amount equal to, or greater than, they would have gotten in the Big 12 there are no damages. And if all 10 schools are placed then there are no damages arising from being left behind.

So until FOX and ESPN agree upon a structure, the total number of properties they desire within that structure, and how the rights to those properties will be divided, don't expect anything to happen. It's really not about Risk board domination. It's more about overhead, maximizing advertising dollars, and the engagement of all sectors of the country's interest. So I'd say look for selected market overlap (blurring of some boundaries to create dual region interest), and the use of the remaining schools to create a little more balance between the regions. This means that the SEC and Big 10 will likely settle for some market additions within their parameters rather than home run additions. Texas may have more say so in where they go, but everyone else will just be happy to be included.

If we go to 72 look for some uncharacteristic additions that will represent developmental projects for the respective conferences (e.g. Buffalo to the Big 10 or Nevada to the PAC type of additions). Such additions would be for markets and for schools with a demonstrated growth for both athletics and academics as well as growth in their student body.

I don't think there is much left to realignment for the next 5 decades than this. And, if we don't keep the plastic out of the oceans (and find a way to filter out what is already sublimated in the Oceans) and get a handle on the global population growth (now +7 million per month) nobody will be left who gives a damn about football in a 100 years anyway.
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Yeah, I saw that one coming... All the way from the rust belt.
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