I truly hope Auburn jumps Ohio State. I don't like Ohio State, and it would be bad for C-USA if the Big 10 has two teams make it to BCS games, which they will if Ohio State plays for the National Title. With 2 teams in the BCS, the Big 10 will have no team for the HOD Bowl. By my math, Michigan is the 7th best team by record in the Big 10. I'd love a North Texas vs. Michigan matchup in the HOD on New Years Day. So, if we need Auburn to jump Ohio State or Michigan State to beat Ohio State in the title game, I'm all for it.

(11-30-2013 08:49 PM)MU42 Wrote:  Just sayin'. Those voters and computers love them some SEC!!!

Absolute no-brainer that Auburn jumps Ohio State. Hell, Ohio State barely won today against a non ranked opponent. Auburn and FSU for the National Title unless Auburn loses in the SEC championship game.

Do you people really believe Auburn should've won that game? They won on a fluke play after being down most of the game. If the Alabama players had a lick of brains between them, they would've understood that Auburn could return a short FG, and therefore would've tackled him before he reached midfield. Look at the replay. Their entire team was out of position and standing around. Not exactly a ringing endorsement that Auburn is the better team.

At the end of the day, barring any upsets next week, Florida State should be playing Ohio State (which is painful for me to say, as Michigan is my second favorite team aside from Rice) in the BCS championship. Period. Any voter that votes Auburn ahead of Ohio State is effectively cementing what we've known for the past several years (that is, there is no BCS-AQ vs non-AQ schism, but rather there is an SEC vs. rest of BCS-AQ vs. non-AQ divide, manufactured by our irreverent media).

(12-01-2013 01:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Do you people really believe Auburn should've won that game? They won on a fluke play after being down most of the game. If the Alabama players had a lick of brains between them, they would've understood that Auburn could return a short FG, and therefore would've tackled him before he reached midfield. Look at the replay. Their entire team was out of position and standing around. Not exactly a ringing endorsement that Auburn is the better team.

At the end of the day, barring any upsets next week, Florida State should be playing Ohio State (which is painful for me to say, as Michigan is my second favorite team aside from Rice) in the BCS championship. Period. Any voter that votes Auburn ahead of Ohio State is effectively cementing what we've known for the past several years (that is, there is no BCS-AQ vs non-AQ schism, but rather there is an SEC vs. rest of BCS-AQ vs. non-AQ divide, manufactured by our irreverent media).

Doesn't matter how you win just the fact they won. Auburn beat the #1 team in the nation while OSU struggled with a mediocre Michigan team. No doubt the BCS rankings will put Auburn currently at #4 ahead of #3 OSU

(12-01-2013 01:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Do you people really believe Auburn should've won that game? They won on a fluke play after being down most of the game. If the Alabama players had a lick of brains between them, they would've understood that Auburn could return a short FG, and therefore would've tackled him before he reached midfield. Look at the replay. Their entire team was out of position and standing around. Not exactly a ringing endorsement that Auburn is the better team.

At the end of the day, barring any upsets next week, Florida State should be playing Ohio State (which is painful for me to say, as Michigan is my second favorite team aside from Rice) in the BCS championship. Period. Any voter that votes Auburn ahead of Ohio State is effectively cementing what we've known for the past several years (that is, there is no BCS-AQ vs non-AQ schism, but rather there is an SEC vs. rest of BCS-AQ vs. non-AQ divide, manufactured by our irreverent media).

Auburn was the better team. They dominated the line and the run game. On Auburn's first drive Marshall missed a wide open Louis who could have walked into the endzone. Auburn also blocked the Bama's punter's drop into his foot for a decent punt... doesn't get more unlucky than that. Also in the first half there was a stupid offside penalty on Auburn that extended one of Bama's drives that lead to a touchdown. If you are going to discredit Auburn's game winning touchdown due to Bama's incompetence, then you have to do the same for Bama's 99 yard TD pass. How often is a corner going to get burned that bad in a situation such as that? "Not exactly a ringing endorsement" for Bama's right to win the game.

Nick Saban ought to feel like a real dumb ass for not kicking the 30 yard field goal with 5 minutes left to make it a two possession game. I get that the place kicker missed a few, but he's on your roster for a reason. High school kickers nail that with ease.

1) The SEC and B1G Championship games are still to be played. So all of this is pretty moot.

2) The Bucks would have trouble from the SEC powerhouses, but so do the other SEC powers, and I would wager FSU would as well. That being said, stick A&M, Mizzou, Auburn, LSU in the B1G and I wouldn't be surprised if they came away with 2-3 losses. The middle and bottom tier SEC teams v. B1G teams of the same standing dont quite evenly match. The above mentioned teams are going to beat teams like UK, Tennessee, Arkansas, etc. home or away, but going up against Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State, and even Illinois, and Nebraska will put up big games at home .

(11-30-2013 11:15 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:03 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  I don't think OSU will get passed. If they do, something is wrong. There should be no power conference undefeated teams that don't at least get strong consideration for the championship game, and one loss separates Auburn and Ohio State - therefore the distinction is final. Ohio State, IMO, gets the nod. FSU is obviously #1.

Ohio State has beaten no one and barely got by a 5-7 Northwestern team and were a successful 2 point conversion away from losing to a 7-5 Michigan team. I have no interest in seeing the Buckeyes get drilled in the title game for a third time.

That's not a good argument IMO. The 2001 Miami Hurricanes, considered by most to be the best college football team to date, "barely got by" Virginia Tech (26-24) and had a moderately close game against Florida State (49-27). Ohio State played only two teams really close, that would be Wisconsin (who is good this year) and Michigan (who is not bad this year).

You wanna talk about bad arguments? In 2001 there wasn't a team even remotely arguable as better than Miami. They were in the top 2 for nearly half the season, they didn't need help getting in. And your comparison of close games is hilarious.

49-27 "relatively close" against Florida State, who oh by the way went 8-4 that year in an ACC that was tougher than today's Big Ten. At least the Virginia Tech game was close, but they too were 8-4 and had double digit wins the year before and the year after.

Wisconsin is not good, they play in the terrible Big Ten, Michigan is bad in a terrible conference. Furthermore, you must have missed the Northwestern game, I guess I'm confused by a three touchdown beating being "fairly close" but you completely gloss over the Buckeyes 10 point win at Northwestern when you say only Wisconsin and Michigan played them close. 22 point win="fairly close" 10 point win= not close? Oh hey, by the way, Northwestern(5-7) led by 3 with five minutes to play.

Ohio State is very good, but they may not even be a top 5 team. The only top ten teams I think they could beat are Oklahoma State, Baylor, South Carolina, Clemson and maybe Mizzou(I reserve judgement on Mizzou until the SECCG) and Ohio State would get drilled by Florida State, Bama, and Auburn and I don't like their chances against Stanford, though we'll likely get that matchup in the Rose Bowl after tOSU gets jumped by someone, provided the Buckeyes get by the Spartans.

Spartans are going to beat Ohio State. National Championship game is going to be Missouri vs Oklahoma State.

(12-01-2013 04:48 AM)BRBrian Wrote:  Spartans are going to beat Ohio State. National Championship game is going to be Missouri vs Oklahoma State.

Yeah right. .......

(12-01-2013 04:48 AM)BRBrian Wrote:  Spartans are going to beat Ohio State. National Championship game is going to be Missouri vs Oklahoma State.

Have you actually watched Sparty play this year?

They don't have the offense that will challenge Ohio State.

OSU will have trouble with any of the top 5, though and their high powered offenses.

Their secondary has one star (Roby) and a lot of role players. They are susceptible to the long ball and aren't all that fast (except Roby).

Auburn should have lost to Georgia and fluked their way to a win over Alabama too. The SEC is not great this year at all. They are beating each other because there aren't dominant teams.

It is a one game scenario and OSU would have a chance with a month to prepare under Urban Meyer. It would be a disgrace if the SEC bias allowed them to circumvent how the polls have worked for years to get their team in.

(12-01-2013 01:58 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:15 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:03 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  I don't think OSU will get passed. If they do, something is wrong. There should be no power conference undefeated teams that don't at least get strong consideration for the championship game, and one loss separates Auburn and Ohio State - therefore the distinction is final. Ohio State, IMO, gets the nod. FSU is obviously #1.

Ohio State has beaten no one and barely got by a 5-7 Northwestern team and were a successful 2 point conversion away from losing to a 7-5 Michigan team. I have no interest in seeing the Buckeyes get drilled in the title game for a third time.

That's not a good argument IMO. The 2001 Miami Hurricanes, considered by most to be the best college football team to date, "barely got by" Virginia Tech (26-24) and had a moderately close game against Florida State (49-27). Ohio State played only two teams really close, that would be Wisconsin (who is good this year) and Michigan (who is not bad this year).

You wanna talk about bad arguments? In 2001 there wasn't a team even remotely arguable as better than Miami. They were in the top 2 for nearly half the season, they didn't need help getting in. And your comparison of close games is hilarious.

49-27 "relatively close" against Florida State, who oh by the way went 8-4 that year in an ACC that was tougher than today's Big Ten. At least the Virginia Tech game was close, but they too were 8-4 and had double digit wins the year before and the year after.

Wisconsin is not good, they play in the terrible Big Ten, Michigan is bad in a terrible conference. Furthermore, you must have missed the Northwestern game, I guess I'm confused by a three touchdown beating being "fairly close" but you completely gloss over the Buckeyes 10 point win at Northwestern when you say only Wisconsin and Michigan played them close. 22 point win="fairly close" 10 point win= not close? Oh hey, by the way, Northwestern(5-7) led by 3 with five minutes to play.

Ohio State is very good, but they may not even be a top 5 team. The only top ten teams I think they could beat are Oklahoma State, Baylor, South Carolina, Clemson and maybe Mizzou(I reserve judgement on Mizzou until the SECCG) and Ohio State would get drilled by Florida State, Bama, and Auburn and I don't like their chances against Stanford, though we'll likely get that matchup in the Rose Bowl after tOSU gets jumped by someone, provided the Buckeyes get by the Spartans.

Wisonsin barely lost at Arizona State on that fluky ass last second play where the didn't get to kick a fg. If you want to say Arizona State isn't good, you are going to start to run out of teams that are good. The Big Ten is most definitely better than you are making it out to be. I'm with you in that I don't think OSU is as good as a lot of the top teams in the country, but based on their season so far, they deserve to be ranked 2nd. With this stupidass system you get stupidass results.

(11-30-2013 10:20 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 09:48 PM)cocky Wrote:  I'd love to see it. Hahaha. I hate OSU.

I hate them to, and I could see them getting jumped. But, they could not be jumped by a team with a loss. But, part of me would actually love to see it just to here the bitching about the system they created.

To me, one loss in the SEC in better than undefeated in the Big 11. Lets be honest, the Big 11 blows ass. OSU would be a 3-5 loss team in the SEC.

May as well give the SEC an automatic bid if the media bias allows them to circumvent the system as it has been run for years.

(12-01-2013 10:01 AM)Ragu Wrote:  May as well give the SEC an automatic bid if the media bias allows them to circumvent the system as it has been run for years.

Yep. We should actually probably give them both slots. Everybody should know Bama a better, more unbeatable team than any in the country. Their title chances shouldn't be shot just because they lost a game.

Too many voters outside of SEC territory have tired of SEC domination. I don't think Auburn will pass OSU and it doesn't matter if that's fair or not. When has college football ever been fair? This is mostly subjective anyway. Would love to see an 8 team playoff this year instead of just 2 playing for the title.

(12-01-2013 10:17 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 10:01 AM)Ragu Wrote:  May as well give the SEC an automatic bid if the media bias allows them to circumvent the system as it has been run for years.

Yep. We should actually probably give them both slots. Everybody should know Bama a better, more unbeatable team than any in the country. Their title chances shouldn't be shot just because they lost a game.

Should just have the SEC be one division and everyone else drop down to FCS.

The SEC has won the last 7 championship games. I believe that Auburn should play in that game. OSU vs. FSU would not be the best 2 teams in the country. Until the SEC loses the championship on the field or lose to another team outside the SEC during the season they earned the spot. The SEC has the 5 of the top ten teams in the country. Bama, Auburn, SCAR, Mizzo, LSU.

I know nobody wants another Bama v. Notre Dame. So FSU gets to embarrass OSU. FSU v. Auburn should be the champ game.

(12-01-2013 11:45 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  The SEC has won the last 7 championship games. I believe that Auburn should play in that game. OSU vs. FSU would not be the best 2 teams in the country. Until the SEC loses the championship on the field or lose to another team outside the SEC during the season they earned the spot. The SEC has the 5 of the top ten teams in the country. Bama, Auburn, SCAR, Mizzo, LSU.

I know nobody wants another Bama v. Notre Dame. So FSU gets to embarrass OSU. FSU v. Auburn should be the champ game.

Cause the polls are unbias...

(12-01-2013 11:45 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  The SEC has won the last 7 championship games. I believe that Auburn should play in that game. OSU vs. FSU would not be the best 2 teams in the country. Until the SEC loses the championship on the field or lose to another team outside the SEC during the season they earned the spot. The SEC has the 5 of the top ten teams in the country. Bama, Auburn, SCAR, Mizzo, LSU.

I know nobody wants another Bama v. Notre Dame. So FSU gets to embarrass OSU. FSU v. Auburn should be the champ game.

This isnt a historical award so I can care less about the recent past. And if we look at history, OSU is on a 24 or 25 game winning streak and has run the regular season table 2 seasons in a row. If you don't give them the title shot, then what is the point of them even playing football? I mean you are basically saying your season doesnt matter so who really gives a damn?

Auburn lost to a 3 loss LSU team and should have lost to multiple loss Georgia. That was one of the flukiest plays in the history of college football. They aren't a world beater team. The media has a huge bias in favor the SEC so they rank them all highly. Then they beat each other and the media goes to the card of them all being great instead of all being mediocre. There are no special teams in the SEC this season.

Michigan State is 11-1 and is OSU's opponent in the Big 10 title game. May as well be 7-5 with how the media spins the conferences.