(12-21-2013 01:27 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: But still in the eyes of the majority in many of those 18 states and countries. Forcing something doesn't = acceptance.
Since 2003:
All sodomy laws ruled unconstitutional...
Sec 3 of DOMA ruled unconstitutional...
Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional...
DADT repealed...
18 states legalize gay marriage...
The sitting US president supports gay marriage...
And that's just 10 years.
We get it, you are winning court battles, but you are not winning the people's court. I'm not concerned with what judge Wapner thinks on this issue.
People like you fall into your little enclave and surround yourselves with like minded people. Anyone outside your enclave is a bigot. But people like you only hurt the cause, because you demand others adhere to your beliefs and lifestyles. "people like you" um, you don't know me...you don't know my friends...you don't know how I live...you really don't know anything about me personally.
I have gay friends why do conservatives always feel the need to say this?, and believe it or not, many of them are against gay marriage. Many of them see the only true benefit is a civil union. One of them went as far to call out the movement you are attached to and worries how people like you make others hate him just for being gay. I asked him how he could be against it. His response was actually pretty funny: "I am a gay man, not an angry flamer." Where have I ever claimed what I say represents anything other than me? Gay folks come in all shapes, sizes, and beliefs...so yeah, not all gay or straight folks think the same...I shouldn't have to explain that.
If you want true acceptance uh, why do I need acceptance? then you will have to come find common ground with those who are opposed to gay marriage I'm not looking for common ground...I'm looking for them to be defeated under law (and it's working)- and the numbers are quite large. No one cares about your bs polls and your growing court triumphs...and finally, being against gay marriage is not necessarily being against gay people or the lifestyle. Where did I say differently
You indeed want acceptance. Otherwise you wouldn't constantly be pushing your gay agenda on this forum. The militant liberal method just doesn't work. You are only making the entire gay community look intolerant and adversarial.
Here are your brethren attacking an old lady in California.
I'm sure in your twisted mind the old lady had it coming for carrying the "cross of hatred."
You can call me gay all you want...I really don't care.
(12-21-2013 01:27 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: But still in the eyes of the majority in many of those 18 states and countries. Forcing something doesn't = acceptance.
In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
How sick it is for people to equate the gay rights movement to Civil Rights.
This is what I am talking about. You just marginalize it even more.
Your cause just isn't on that level.
What's my cause?
Don't play coy with me, Mr tolerance.
Tolerance? Asking social conservatives to be tolerant of gays actually puts me at a disadvantage. Have you realized how you guys have stopped dogging black people so much since you've been on your anti-gay trip. The last thing I want is for you to accept them.
Not only would legalizing marriage for them be fair, it would distract you guys so much that you'd forget about how you feel about us.
(12-21-2013 02:19 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
How sick it is for people to equate the gay rights movement to Civil Rights.
This is what I am talking about. You just marginalize it even more.
Your cause just isn't on that level.
What's my cause?
Don't play coy with me, Mr tolerance.
Tolerance? Asking social conservatives to be tolerant of gays actually puts me at a disadvantage. Have you realized how you guys have stopped dogging black people so much since you've been on your anti-gay trip. The last thing I want is for you to accept them.
Not only would legalizing marriage for them be fair, it would distract you guys so much that you'd forget about how you feel about us.
(12-21-2013 02:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: I am not attacking you for being gay. I am addressing your nonstop attempt to force others to accept your wants and needs.
Here's the bigot.
I have never forced anyone to accept Star Trek marathons and coffee...aka stuff I want and need.
(12-21-2013 02:19 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
How sick it is for people to equate the gay rights movement to Civil Rights.
This is what I am talking about. You just marginalize it even more.
Your cause just isn't on that level.
What's my cause?
Don't play coy with me, Mr tolerance.
Tolerance? Asking social conservatives to be tolerant of gays actually puts me at a disadvantage. Have you realized how you guys have stopped dogging black people so much since you've been on your anti-gay trip. The last thing I want is for you to accept them.
Not only would legalizing marriage for them be fair, it would distract you guys so much that you'd forget about how you feel about us.
Just stop. You are making yourself look even more ridiculous. Now it's about conservatives and blacks? Get a hold of yourself and take your fallacious and nonsensical diversions to someone who will fall for it.
Descendants of slaves should be utterly offended by your equating them to the poor gays fighting for a label. I am sickened by your intolerance.
(12-21-2013 02:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: I am not attacking you for being gay. I am addressing your nonstop attempt to force others to accept your wants and needs.
Here's the bigot.
I have never forced anyone to accept Star Trek marathons and coffee...aka stuff I want and need.
Take a good look. That's what America sees, and you are only compounding that perception.
(12-21-2013 02:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: I am not attacking you for being gay. I am addressing your nonstop attempt to force others to accept your wants and needs.
Here's the bigot.
I have never forced anyone to accept Star Trek marathons and coffee...aka stuff I want and need.
Take a good look. That's what America sees, and you are only compounding that perception.
I'll level with you Memphis, because of people like you, I have started to obtain a negative view of the gay community. It is becoming harder for me to separate these bigots from everyday normal gay people.
The harder you pull back on the progressive rubber band, the more forceful the conservative snap back will hit you in the face. That energy has to go somewhere and you won't have control of it forever.
(12-21-2013 02:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: I'll level with you Memphis, because of people like you, I have started to obtain a negative view of the gay community. It is becoming harder for me to separate these bigots from everyday normal gay people.
The harder you pull back on the progressive rubber band, the more forceful the conservative snap back will hit you in the face. That energy has to go somewhere and you won't have control of it forever.
(12-21-2013 02:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: I'll level with you Memphis, because of people like you, I have started to obtain a negative view of the gay community. It is becoming harder for me to separate these bigots from everyday normal gay people.
The harder you pull back on the progressive rubber band, the more forceful the conservative snap back will hit you in the face. That energy has to go somewhere and you won't have control of it forever.
(12-21-2013 02:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: I'll level with you Memphis, because of people like you, I have started to obtain a negative view of the gay community. It is becoming harder for me to separate these bigots from everyday normal gay people.
The harder you pull back on the progressive rubber band, the more forceful the conservative snap back will hit you in the face. That energy has to go somewhere and you won't have control of it forever.
I don't care.
Good to know, it's coming.
You're one those, huh...gotta get the last word in...
(12-21-2013 02:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: How sick it is for people to equate the gay rights movement to Civil Rights.
This is what I am talking about. You just marginalize it even more.
Your cause just isn't on that level.
What's my cause?
Don't play coy with me, Mr tolerance.
Tolerance? Asking social conservatives to be tolerant of gays actually puts me at a disadvantage. Have you realized how you guys have stopped dogging black people so much since you've been on your anti-gay trip. The last thing I want is for you to accept them.
Not only would legalizing marriage for them be fair, it would distract you guys so much that you'd forget about how you feel about us.
Just stop. You are making yourself look even more ridiculous. Now it's about conservatives and blacks? Get a hold of yourself and take your fallacious and nonsensical diversions to someone who will fall for it.
Descendants of slaves should be utterly offended by your equating them to the poor gays fighting for a label. I am sickened by your intolerance.
No, no, no my main man, you should be offended by your lack of reading skills.
Post 74:
Quote:In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
Not only did I not equate them to each other, I mentioned that I didn't like when people do.
It's also not all about social conservatives and black people. But notice the composition of topics in the Spin Room now and how it has changed. I like it.
(12-21-2013 02:24 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: What's my cause?
Don't play coy with me, Mr tolerance.
Tolerance? Asking social conservatives to be tolerant of gays actually puts me at a disadvantage. Have you realized how you guys have stopped dogging black people so much since you've been on your anti-gay trip. The last thing I want is for you to accept them.
Not only would legalizing marriage for them be fair, it would distract you guys so much that you'd forget about how you feel about us.
Just stop. You are making yourself look even more ridiculous. Now it's about conservatives and blacks? Get a hold of yourself and take your fallacious and nonsensical diversions to someone who will fall for it.
Descendants of slaves should be utterly offended by your equating them to the poor gays fighting for a label. I am sickened by your intolerance.
No, no, no my main man, you should be offended by your lack of reading skills.
Post 74:
Quote:In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
Not only did I not equate them to each other, I mentioned that I didn't like when people do.
It's also not all about social conservatives and black people. But notice the composition of topics in the Spin Room now and how it has changed. I like it.
Now you are just bloviating. No coherent point. Just liberal hot air. You sound like Whoopi Goldberg on the View. You indeed brought the civil rights issue into this. You also made a reference to conservatives and blacks and made a connection to this issue and the civil rights struggle post Civil War. Both are utterly ridiculous and have no place in this argument.
We are not segregating gays or forcing them to drink from a different water fountain. I am always shocked at how people get this illogical with their beliefs, but it always explains why we elect Marxists like Obama twice. There are just too many people who cannot take a logical stance.
This is why progressives will eventually lose the culture war. They eventually alienate everyone.
Hmm, I see some crafty poll questions and a well funded minority. I think you are underestimating the opposition and the fallout from forcing something upon a society that doesn't want it.
What's the fallout? More straight people get married in protest?
a souring attitude towards the gay community as a whole. The militants are not helping their cause. They are getting laws passed, but they do not represent the true feelings of the populace.
It started out that they gay community wanted equal economic rights. All along we knew that was a smokescreen. All along it was about rewriting the definition of marriage.
You can cry about equality, rights and public opinion, but the very definition of marriage(for the last 3000 years) is a union between a man and a woman.
Forcing people to accept something will not work. You may get your marriage in some areas, but you will not get your equality.
All I want to see is equality before the law. The government should not insert itself into the marriage business, I'm not affected and neither is anybody else. You can say that we are because it's a sin, but so is alcohol. Should that be illegal?
Social equality will never happen completely, the bottom line is that gay marriage will never be accepted by people like you (much like how there are many racists despite the presence of laws intended to ensure legal equality). I disagree with your opinion, although it's your constitutionally protected right to condemn homosexuality. However, I think that public opinion is shifting in favor of tolerance/acceptance of gay marriage (and will continue to), and no political action can change that.
However, I personally have a problem with (and I surmise that you do too) with a situation such as the baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple and is now being forced to. That baker should be allowed to say no to them as long as he's willing to suffer economically as a result. Can we agree on that?
Hmm, I see some crafty poll questions and a well funded minority. I think you are underestimating the opposition and the fallout from forcing something upon a society that doesn't want it.
What's the fallout? More straight people get married in protest?
a souring attitude towards the gay community as a whole. The militants are not helping their cause. They are getting laws passed, but they do not represent the true feelings of the populace.
It started out that they gay community wanted equal economic rights. All along we knew that was a smokescreen. All along it was about rewriting the definition of marriage.
You can cry about equality, rights and public opinion, but the very definition of marriage(for the last 3000 years) is a union between a man and a woman.
Forcing people to accept something will not work. You may get your marriage in some areas, but you will not get your equality.
All I want to see is equality before the law. The government should not insert itself into the marriage business, I'm not affected and neither is anybody else. You can say that we are because it's a sin, but so is alcohol. Should that be illegal?
Social equality will never happen completely, the bottom line is that gay marriage will never be accepted by people like you (much like how there are many racists despite the presence of laws intended to ensure legal equality). I disagree with your opinion, although it's your constitutionally protected right to condemn homosexuality. However, I think that public opinion is shifting in favor of tolerance/acceptance of gay marriage (and will continue to), and no political action can change that.
However, I personally have a problem with (and I surmise that you do too) with a situation such as the baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple and is now being forced to. That baker should be allowed to say no to them as long as he's willing to suffer economically as a result. Can we agree on that?
I stopped reading when you equated my beliefs to racism. People like you just don't get it. That is just as intolerant as the people like UofMemphis who are railing against.
Having activist judges rule against the majority only amplifies situations like the wedding cake baker. Those who push the agenda can make public opinion to appear any way they wish. I think the left is living in a fantasy about those opposed to gay marriage dying off and moving into an age where everyone celebrates it. I am still a young man. I started out not really caring. The more I get to know who the people are pushing for gay marriage, the more I oppose it. I find it funny that you assume I am a special case......
(12-21-2013 02:25 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Don't play coy with me, Mr tolerance.
Tolerance? Asking social conservatives to be tolerant of gays actually puts me at a disadvantage. Have you realized how you guys have stopped dogging black people so much since you've been on your anti-gay trip. The last thing I want is for you to accept them.
Not only would legalizing marriage for them be fair, it would distract you guys so much that you'd forget about how you feel about us.
Just stop. You are making yourself look even more ridiculous. Now it's about conservatives and blacks? Get a hold of yourself and take your fallacious and nonsensical diversions to someone who will fall for it.
Descendants of slaves should be utterly offended by your equating them to the poor gays fighting for a label. I am sickened by your intolerance.
No, no, no my main man, you should be offended by your lack of reading skills.
Post 74:
Quote:In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
Not only did I not equate them to each other, I mentioned that I didn't like when people do.
It's also not all about social conservatives and black people. But notice the composition of topics in the Spin Room now and how it has changed. I like it.
Now you are just bloviating. No coherent point. Just liberal hot air. You sound like Whoopi Goldberg on the View. You indeed brought the civil rights issue into this. You also made a reference to conservatives and blacks and made a connection to this issue and the civil rights struggle post Civil War. Both are utterly ridiculous and have no place in this argument.
We are not segregating gays or forcing them to drink from a different water fountain. I am always shocked at how people get this illogical with their beliefs, but it always explains why we elect Marxists like Obama twice. There are just too many people who cannot take a logical stance.
This is why progressives will eventually lose the culture war. They eventually alienate everyone.
You're the best poster on this board. The way you can just take words and make up the rest yourself. I did none of those things. I even showed you where I didn't equate these things to Civil Rights. You just made up an argument to have with yourself. That's talent my friend.
(This post was last modified: 12-21-2013 03:21 PM by nomad2u2001.)
(12-21-2013 02:35 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: Tolerance? Asking social conservatives to be tolerant of gays actually puts me at a disadvantage. Have you realized how you guys have stopped dogging black people so much since you've been on your anti-gay trip. The last thing I want is for you to accept them.
Not only would legalizing marriage for them be fair, it would distract you guys so much that you'd forget about how you feel about us.
Just stop. You are making yourself look even more ridiculous. Now it's about conservatives and blacks? Get a hold of yourself and take your fallacious and nonsensical diversions to someone who will fall for it.
Descendants of slaves should be utterly offended by your equating them to the poor gays fighting for a label. I am sickened by your intolerance.
No, no, no my main man, you should be offended by your lack of reading skills.
Post 74:
Quote:In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
Not only did I not equate them to each other, I mentioned that I didn't like when people do.
It's also not all about social conservatives and black people. But notice the composition of topics in the Spin Room now and how it has changed. I like it.
Now you are just bloviating. No coherent point. Just liberal hot air. You sound like Whoopi Goldberg on the View. You indeed brought the civil rights issue into this. You also made a reference to conservatives and blacks and made a connection to this issue and the civil rights struggle post Civil War. Both are utterly ridiculous and have no place in this argument.
We are not segregating gays or forcing them to drink from a different water fountain. I am always shocked at how people get this illogical with their beliefs, but it always explains why we elect Marxists like Obama twice. There are just too many people who cannot take a logical stance.
This is why progressives will eventually lose the culture war. They eventually alienate everyone.
You're the best poster on this board. The way you can just take words and make up the rest yourself. I did none of those things. You just made up an argument to have with yourself. That's talent my friend.
I did not imagine that you starting in with blacks and the civil rights movement on a discussion about gay marriage. As much as the liberals want it to be so, the gay rights issue is not the Civil Rights movement - nor was it the conservatives who were pushing segregation.
You let me know when we start mowing down mobs of gays with water cannons.
(12-21-2013 02:39 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Just stop. You are making yourself look even more ridiculous. Now it's about conservatives and blacks? Get a hold of yourself and take your fallacious and nonsensical diversions to someone who will fall for it.
Descendants of slaves should be utterly offended by your equating them to the poor gays fighting for a label. I am sickened by your intolerance.
No, no, no my main man, you should be offended by your lack of reading skills.
Post 74:
Quote:In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
Not only did I not equate them to each other, I mentioned that I didn't like when people do.
It's also not all about social conservatives and black people. But notice the composition of topics in the Spin Room now and how it has changed. I like it.
Now you are just bloviating. No coherent point. Just liberal hot air. You sound like Whoopi Goldberg on the View. You indeed brought the civil rights issue into this. You also made a reference to conservatives and blacks and made a connection to this issue and the civil rights struggle post Civil War. Both are utterly ridiculous and have no place in this argument.
We are not segregating gays or forcing them to drink from a different water fountain. I am always shocked at how people get this illogical with their beliefs, but it always explains why we elect Marxists like Obama twice. There are just too many people who cannot take a logical stance.
This is why progressives will eventually lose the culture war. They eventually alienate everyone.
You're the best poster on this board. The way you can just take words and make up the rest yourself. I did none of those things. You just made up an argument to have with yourself. That's talent my friend.
I did not imagine that you starting in with blacks and the civil rights movement on a discussion about gay marriage. As much as the liberals want it to be so, the gay rights issue is not the Civil Rights movement - nor was it the conservatives who were pushing segregation.
You let me know when we start mowing down mobs of gays with water cannons.
The post about Civil Rights and the post about black people were two separate things. The one about black people was specifically about the Spin Room. The one about Civil Rights was just noting how you can't wait for everyone to accept it before you do it. I also specifically said that it wasn't to be equated to the Civil Rights movement didn't I?
I want to quit arguing with you, but I'm wondering what the latest chapter of your Big Book of Leaps will say.
(12-21-2013 03:08 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: All I want to see is equality before the law. The government should not insert itself into the marriage business, I'm not affected and neither is anybody else. You can say that we are because it's a sin, but so is alcohol. Should that be illegal?
Social equality will never happen completely, the bottom line is that gay marriage will never be accepted by people like you (much like how there are many racists despite the presence of laws intended to ensure legal equality). I disagree with your opinion, although it's your constitutionally protected right to condemn homosexuality. However, I think that public opinion is shifting in favor of tolerance/acceptance of gay marriage (and will continue to), and no political action can change that.
However, I personally have a problem with (and I surmise that you do too) with a situation such as the baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple and is now being forced to. That baker should be allowed to say no to them as long as he's willing to suffer economically as a result. Can we agree on that?
I stopped reading when you equated my beliefs to racism. People like you just don't get it. That is just as intolerant as the people like UofMemphis who are railing against.
Having activist judges rule against the majority only amplifies situations like the wedding cake baker. Those who push the agenda can make public opinion to appear any way they wish. I think the left is living in a fantasy about those opposed to gay marriage dying off and moving into an age where everyone celebrates it. I am still a young man. I started out not really caring. The more I get to know who the people are pushing for gay marriage, the more I oppose it. I find it funny that you assume I am a special case......
I did not equate your beliefs to racism, it was an example of how laws do not change public opinion.
I don't necessarily think that we're moving into an age where everyone celebrates gay marriage, but we are moving into an age of tolerance. I don't celebrate gay marriage, but at the same time I don't oppose it. Who am I to tell a group of people how to live their lives? Why should the government do so? You can claim that it's a conspiracy, but I'm sticking with the facts; more and more people are asking those questions and decide to support (or perhaps more importantly, do not oppose) gay marriage.
