...nothing shady at all.

Quote:The data also indicates that Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, two of the largest supporters of climate science denial, have recently pulled back from publicly funding countermovement organizations. Coinciding with the decline in traceable funding, the amount of funding given to countermovement organizations through third party pass-through foundations like Donors Trust and Donors Capital, whose funders cannot be traced, has risen dramatically.

Quote:To uncover how the countermovement was built and maintained, Brulle developed a listing of 118 important climate denial organizations in the U.S. He then coded data on philanthropic funding for each organization, combining information from the Foundation Center with financial data submitted by organizations to the Internal Revenue Service. The final sample for analysis consisted of 140 foundations making 5,299 grants totaling $558 million to 91 organizations from 2003 to 2010.

Quote:"The real issue here is one of democracy. Without a free flow of accurate information, democratic politics and government accountability become impossible," said Brulle. "Money amplifies certain voices above others and, in effect, gives them a megaphone in the public square. Powerful funders are supporting the campaign to deny scientific findings about global warming and raise public doubts about the roots and remedies of this massive global threat. At the very least, American voters deserve to know who is behind these efforts."

These organizations have the motive and the money. We know where the money came from and where it goes. You can't deny what's going on here. How do you justify it?

http://phys.org/news/2013-12-koch-brothe...imate.html

The Koch brothers own the left.

(12-23-2013 09:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  The Koch brothers own the left.

I don't give a sh!t if the money came from the right or the left.

(12-23-2013 09:23 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 09:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  The Koch brothers own the left.

I don't give a sh!t if the money came from the right or the left.

The Koch brothers have many a liberal awake at night.

Look at this guy's CV. He's a loon.

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~brullerj/cu..._vitae.htm


And below are some of the courses he taught - he has skin in the global warming game.

A Sustainable Earth - Great Works Course Fall 2004
Global Warming - Great Works Course Winter 2007
Global Warming Winter 2009
Environment and Society Fall 1997, Spring 2001, Summer 2002, Spring 2004, Fall 2005, Fall 2006, Fall 2007, Fall 2008
Environmental Justice Seminar Winter 2001, Winter 2006
Methods of Environmental Policy Research Spring 1998, Winter 1999, Winter 2000, Winter 2002, Winter 2004, Winter 2006, Winter 2008
Practicum in Environmental Policy Analysis Spring 200, Spring 2002, Spring 2004, Spring 2006
Social Change and Environmental Movements Spring 1999, Fall 2000, Spring 2003, Spring 2006, Spring 2009
Theory & Practice of Envir. Policy Analysis Winter 1998, Fall 1998, Fall 1999, Fall 2001, Fall 2003, Fall 2006, Fall 2007
Global Warming Graduate Seminar Winter 2007
Critical Theory Seminar Spring 2007, Spring 2009
Human Dimensions of Global Warming Winter 2008

(12-23-2013 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Look at this guy's CV. He's a loon.

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~brullerj/cu..._vitae.htm


And below are some of the courses he taught - he has skin in the global warming game.

A Sustainable Earth - Great Works Course Fall 2004
Global Warming - Great Works Course Winter 2007
Global Warming Winter 2009
Environment and Society Fall 1997, Spring 2001, Summer 2002, Spring 2004, Fall 2005, Fall 2006, Fall 2007, Fall 2008
Environmental Justice Seminar Winter 2001, Winter 2006
Methods of Environmental Policy Research Spring 1998, Winter 1999, Winter 2000, Winter 2002, Winter 2004, Winter 2006, Winter 2008
Practicum in Environmental Policy Analysis Spring 200, Spring 2002, Spring 2004, Spring 2006
Social Change and Environmental Movements Spring 1999, Fall 2000, Spring 2003, Spring 2006, Spring 2009
Theory & Practice of Envir. Policy Analysis Winter 1998, Fall 1998, Fall 1999, Fall 2001, Fall 2003, Fall 2006, Fall 2007
Global Warming Graduate Seminar Winter 2007
Critical Theory Seminar Spring 2007, Spring 2009
Human Dimensions of Global Warming Winter 2008

So are you going to address the OP, or just use misdirection? The link between these organizations and climate denial has been reported many times in the past. This guy's past is irrelevant to the discussion.

What's the movement that needs a countermovement?

(12-23-2013 09:28 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Look at this guy's CV. He's a loon.

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~brullerj/cu..._vitae.htm


And below are some of the courses he taught - he has skin in the global warming game.

A Sustainable Earth - Great Works Course Fall 2004
Global Warming - Great Works Course Winter 2007
Global Warming Winter 2009
Environment and Society Fall 1997, Spring 2001, Summer 2002, Spring 2004, Fall 2005, Fall 2006, Fall 2007, Fall 2008
Environmental Justice Seminar Winter 2001, Winter 2006
Methods of Environmental Policy Research Spring 1998, Winter 1999, Winter 2000, Winter 2002, Winter 2004, Winter 2006, Winter 2008
Practicum in Environmental Policy Analysis Spring 200, Spring 2002, Spring 2004, Spring 2006
Social Change and Environmental Movements Spring 1999, Fall 2000, Spring 2003, Spring 2006, Spring 2009
Theory & Practice of Envir. Policy Analysis Winter 1998, Fall 1998, Fall 1999, Fall 2001, Fall 2003, Fall 2006, Fall 2007
Global Warming Graduate Seminar Winter 2007
Critical Theory Seminar Spring 2007, Spring 2009
Human Dimensions of Global Warming Winter 2008

So are you going to address the OP, or just rely on misdirection? The link between these organizations and climate denial has been reported many times in the past.

Did you see that video I posted about the global warming we had here yesterday?

(12-23-2013 09:29 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 09:28 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Look at this guy's CV. He's a loon.

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~brullerj/cu..._vitae.htm


And below are some of the courses he taught - he has skin in the global warming game.

A Sustainable Earth - Great Works Course Fall 2004
Global Warming - Great Works Course Winter 2007
Global Warming Winter 2009
Environment and Society Fall 1997, Spring 2001, Summer 2002, Spring 2004, Fall 2005, Fall 2006, Fall 2007, Fall 2008
Environmental Justice Seminar Winter 2001, Winter 2006
Methods of Environmental Policy Research Spring 1998, Winter 1999, Winter 2000, Winter 2002, Winter 2004, Winter 2006, Winter 2008
Practicum in Environmental Policy Analysis Spring 200, Spring 2002, Spring 2004, Spring 2006
Social Change and Environmental Movements Spring 1999, Fall 2000, Spring 2003, Spring 2006, Spring 2009
Theory & Practice of Envir. Policy Analysis Winter 1998, Fall 1998, Fall 1999, Fall 2001, Fall 2003, Fall 2006, Fall 2007
Global Warming Graduate Seminar Winter 2007
Critical Theory Seminar Spring 2007, Spring 2009
Human Dimensions of Global Warming Winter 2008

So are you going to address the OP, or just rely on misdirection? The link between these organizations and climate denial has been reported many times in the past.

Did you see that video I posted about the global warming we had here yesterday?

Nope.

(12-23-2013 09:30 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 09:29 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 09:28 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Look at this guy's CV. He's a loon.

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~brullerj/cu..._vitae.htm


And below are some of the courses he taught - he has skin in the global warming game.

A Sustainable Earth - Great Works Course Fall 2004
Global Warming - Great Works Course Winter 2007
Global Warming Winter 2009
Environment and Society Fall 1997, Spring 2001, Summer 2002, Spring 2004, Fall 2005, Fall 2006, Fall 2007, Fall 2008
Environmental Justice Seminar Winter 2001, Winter 2006
Methods of Environmental Policy Research Spring 1998, Winter 1999, Winter 2000, Winter 2002, Winter 2004, Winter 2006, Winter 2008
Practicum in Environmental Policy Analysis Spring 200, Spring 2002, Spring 2004, Spring 2006
Social Change and Environmental Movements Spring 1999, Fall 2000, Spring 2003, Spring 2006, Spring 2009
Theory & Practice of Envir. Policy Analysis Winter 1998, Fall 1998, Fall 1999, Fall 2001, Fall 2003, Fall 2006, Fall 2007
Global Warming Graduate Seminar Winter 2007
Critical Theory Seminar Spring 2007, Spring 2009
Human Dimensions of Global Warming Winter 2008

So are you going to address the OP, or just rely on misdirection? The link between these organizations and climate denial has been reported many times in the past.

Did you see that video I posted about the global warming we had here yesterday?

Nope.

Check it out when you get a chance. It's pretty scary stuff.

(12-23-2013 09:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  What's the movement that needs a countermovement?

The GOP?

The right-wing trusts politicians and pundits to tell them what is going on with the earth's climate. The left trusts scientists, specifically climate scientists, to tell them what is going on with the earth's climate. That alone tells you what side will ultimately be proven correct.

(12-23-2013 09:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The right-wing trusts politicians and pundits to tell them what is going on with the earth's climate. The left trusts scientists, specifically climate scientists, to tell them what is going on with the earth's climate. That alone tells you what side will ultimately be proven correct.

Then the left looks ridiculous when their so called scientists turn out to be kooks and frauds.

(12-23-2013 09:31 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 09:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  What's the movement that needs a countermovement?

The GOP?

The GOP is not a movement, moron.

(12-23-2013 09:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The left trusts scientists, specifically climate scientists, to tell them what is going on with the earth's climate. That alone tells you what side will ultimately be proven correct.

You mean the "scientists" that were caught telling each other to lie about their results and falsify data in the infamous email confiscations?

(12-23-2013 09:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The right-wing trusts politicians and pundits to tell them what is going on with the earth's climate. The left trusts scientists, specifically climate scientists, to tell them what is going on with the earth's climate. That alone tells you what side will ultimately be proven correct.

The people on this board would have you believe that the arm chair scientists behind the AGW "skeptics" movement are publishing science contrary to AGW and lots of it.

(12-23-2013 09:33 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 09:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The left trusts scientists, specifically climate scientists, to tell them what is going on with the earth's climate. That alone tells you what side will ultimately be proven correct.

You mean the "scientists" that were caught telling each other to lie about their results and falsify data in the infamous email confiscations?

Let's ignore several so independent inquiries that determined that there was no wrongdoing.

This is the coldest winter I remember in a long time.

(12-23-2013 09:35 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This is the coldest winter I remember in a long time.

Cold winters are bound to happen.

(12-23-2013 09:33 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 09:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The left trusts scientists, specifically climate scientists, to tell them what is going on with the earth's climate. That alone tells you what side will ultimately be proven correct.

You mean the "scientists" that were caught telling each other to lie about their results and falsify data in the infamous email confiscations?

That's what the politicians and pundits tell you to think, and you obey. That's sad.

We on the left allow for inquiries and investigations to uncover the truth of such allegations, those of the left couldn't care less about the truth of the allegations. They'll pretend they are true no matter what the investigations find.